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Old 10-08-2012, 08:09 PM   #91
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I don't think that's how OnStar works. Imagine the potential liability if GM directed you right to the baddie who jacked your car and he killed you (or you him). It's more likely that they will work with the police to recover your vehicle (as shown on the OnStar commercials).

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Old 10-08-2012, 09:29 PM   #92
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I don't think that's how OnStar works. Imagine the potential liability if GM directed you right to the baddie who jacked your car and he killed you (or you him). It's more likely that they will work with the police to recover your vehicle (as shown on the OnStar commercials).
Well, as someone who spends 40 hours a week listening to the police scanners, I do hear broadcasts about On Star reporting a stolen car in a specific location. But.....and I don't have onstar......thought one of the perks of it was you could check on where your car is like when your kids have it. I'm sure the liabiliy concern is lawyered away in the contract you sign when you sign up.
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I live in Virginia. EVERY car (total of 4) we have ever bought or financed at a dealership, we have gotten the call a few days later that we owed them money. It has ranged from $500-$2500. We never paid it and offered to bring the car back and void the deal, but the dealership always ate their mistake. This even happened the time we paid with a cashiers check, like the guy in the article. I absolutely hate dealerships and refuse to buy a car from them ever again.

I have never had this happen. I worked in a huge auto factory (12,000+ people worked there) lots of people that bought new cars all the time and never heard of this.
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:43 PM   #94
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Well, as someone who spends 40 hours a week listening to the police scanners, I do hear broadcasts about On Star reporting a stolen car in a specific location. But.....and I don't have onstar......thought one of the perks of it was you could check on where your car is like when your kids have it.
We have OnStar. That is not one of the listed benefits.

A better plan would be to make them give you their iPhone password.
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A contact that takes away someone else's right to sue would not be enforceable.
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:44 PM   #95
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I have never had this happen. I worked in a huge auto factory (12,000+ people worked there) lots of people that bought new cars all the time and never heard of this.
I doubt that a dealership would be stupid enough to try to cheat people buying on the A plan (or whatever the specific company calls it).
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:49 PM   #96
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Well, as someone who spends 40 hours a week listening to the police scanners, I do hear broadcasts about On Star reporting a stolen car in a specific location. But.....and I don't have onstar......thought one of the perks of it was you could check on where your car is like when your kids have it. I'm sure the liabiliy concern is lawyered away in the contract you sign when you sign up.
No, it's like Lojack in that aspect. The company can find it, you can't.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:25 PM   #97
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Well, as someone who spends 40 hours a week listening to the police scanners, I do hear broadcasts about On Star reporting a stolen car in a specific location. But.....and I don't have onstar......thought one of the perks of it was you could check on where your car is like when your kids have it. I'm sure the liabiliy concern is lawyered away in the contract you sign when you sign up.
Not only can they track you even if you cancel the service onstar still maintains tracking unless you specifically ask them not to do so. They can also listen w/out you having onstar turned on using a passive listening feature. Hello Big Brother

http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/onstar.htm
The FBI found out about this passive listening feature and promptly served OnStar with a court order forcing the company to give it access. The court order the FBI gave OnStar was not something out of the Patriot Act involving international terrorism or national security but a simple criminal case.

According to court records, OnStar complied with the order but filed a protest lawsuit against the FBI.

Yet the FBI was able to enforce the original legal order and completed its surveillance because OnStar's lawsuit took nearly two years to pass through the court system.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:13 AM   #98
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A contact that takes away someone else's right to sue would not be enforceable.
Not a lawyer, but that is a pretty standard clause in a lot of contracts I have seen....although usually with an alternate remedy specified, such as arbitration or limtis. I believe if you have Kaiser Permanente health insurance, you agree not to sue for more than $25,000 if they commit malpractice.
Actually, thinking way way back to my business law classes, as long as you get "consideration" for signing that right away, it is perfectly legal.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:48 AM   #99
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We have OnStar. That is not one of the listed benefits.
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helping you get your vehicle back, safely.

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Old 10-09-2012, 10:33 AM   #100
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A contact that takes away someone else's right to sue would not be enforceable.
It sure is. Every time you park your car in a parking garage, your ticket has a clear waiver of liability. It's enforceable and usually is enforced. Every time you go on a dangerous ride or a trip, waiver of liability is on the release (that's what a release is!). It's enforceable. Every time you sign a permission slip for your kid to go on a field trip, your'e signing a waiver of liability. It's enforceable.

(And yes, I am a lawyer. But you don't have to be - just watch Judge Judy or People's Court!)
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:43 AM   #101
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This whole situation is silly. $5k? Really. they probably sold it to him at factory cost and realized it too late. I used to work in car sales as a teen and I remember one guy making 10k commission off one sale. They should have just taken it for what it was. Their mistake.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:01 AM   #102
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Not a lawyer, but that is a pretty standard clause in a lot of contracts I have seen....although usually with an alternate remedy specified, such as arbitration or limtis. I believe if you have Kaiser Permanente health insurance, you agree not to sue for more than $25,000 if they commit malpractice.
Actually, thinking way way back to my business law classes, as long as you get "consideration" for signing that right away, it is perfectly legal.
Signing it doesn't mean someone cannot sue.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:53 AM   #103
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Signing it doesn't mean someone cannot sue.
True. But it greatly increases the risk your suit will be thrown out.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:16 PM   #104
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Interesting reading.

I always thought the car dealer (who called my sister the day BEFORE she picked up her new car) was a wacko. He told her she needed to bring an additional $1500 because he made a mistake ..... She told HIM she had a signed contract and IF he didn't deliver as per the contract she'd have him in court so fast ..... She got her car as originally agreed upon. Helped, I'm sure, that she's an attorney and knows 'the language'.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:59 PM   #105
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I live in Virginia. EVERY car (total of 4) we have ever bought or financed at a dealership, we have gotten the call a few days later that we owed them money. It has ranged from $500-$2500. We never paid it and offered to bring the car back and void the deal, but the dealership always ate their mistake. This even happened the time we paid with a cashiers check, like the guy in the article. I absolutely hate dealerships and refuse to buy a car from them ever again.
DH & I have bought 6 cars at dealerships over the years and have never had a dealership call us after the sale and tell us that we owed them money Sounds like you've been dealing with some shady dealerships.
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