A message that bears repeating

[LSmith]

Originally Posted by Magpie

I know that anyone who talked to ME like that would not be someone I would tolerate in my life. I'm only 135lbs, but I'd react the same if he criticized the way I dress, and told me I was a bad role model to my children.

If you would, that's your choice. But me, I actually dumped my first boyfriend when he started trying to tell me what to wear and how to style my hair to look "better". My next boyfriend told me he thought I'd be sexy in a burlap sack for all he cared, and then asked, why bother with the makeup? I married him! We've been together 21 years now.



I see it as a broader issue. In this society it's rude and presumptuous to tell other people how they should look. It's especially rude when it's a man, telling a woman, how she should present herself to the public and then tossing in a "think of the children!" for good measure.

Yes, it's worse unless you are the kind of person who actually takes everything people say or write literally. In which case... don't watch the Colbert Report. It'll make you weep for humanity.



I'm sure he is, but this is a public board and the debate interests me, especially the idea that anyone really thinks that Firedancer literally wants to see innocent people die.

Come to think of it, the other day I said sarcastically (in reference to a bug invasion, thankfully not in MY home), "I for one, welcome our new insect overlords!"

My gosh, I'm a monster, ready to hand over the entire human race to insect tyranny!

Wait... now that I've said that, does that mean I really am?

This is the biggest spin on a post that I've ever seen on the DIS. I actually do not have a clue what you are talking about.

[KristaTX]

Originally Posted by FireDancer

I still wear the same size pants I did when I graduated high school and you can see my abs.

No thanks.

[Magpie]

Originally Posted by LSmith

This is the biggest spin on a post that I've ever seen on the DIS. I actually do not have a clue what you are talking about.

That's unfortunate!

But I suppose I could try to explain it in simpler terms...

1. You said I couldn't tell what sort of person the lawyer in the OP was by the letter he sent to newscaster. I said I could, and gave an example of why.

2. You said calling someone fat in this society is worse than wishing death on people. I explained it was a bigger issue than just calling her "fat". Then I said that I no more believe Firedancer is actually wishing death on newscasters, than I believe Stephen Colbert when he says he's a Republican.

3. You said there are some intelligent anchors in Toronto, which I didn't bother responding to as I'd already defended the tough job local newscasters do in another post (in response to Firedancer actually). And for what it's worth, I don't believe Firedancer is talking about ALL newscasters everywhere, just his local ones. Who may be worse than yours or mine, for all I know.

Then you said you didn't understand why I was in this debate. So I explained that it's a public board and the debate interests me. I gave an example of hyperbole, and had a little fun with it.

Question: Do YOU now believe I'm an insect-overlord worshipping monster?

[Magpie]

Originally Posted by KristaTX

No thanks.

[jujube]

Unless the reporter has a physical problem that has made her obese, then yes she got that way by choice. She chose to overeat.
She made it a public issue. It would have been better for her as a role model to have addressed it and then maybe said she's been inspired to get to a healthy weight. That would have made her a good role model for both young and old people struggling with their weight. She might have motivated them to get healthy too. Instead she goes on tv and makes it a boo hoo issue.

[luvsJack]

Originally Posted by jujube

Unless the reporter has a physical problem that has made her obese, then yes she got that way by choice. She chose to overeat.
She made it a public issue. It would have been better for her as arole model to have addressed it and then maybe said she's been inspired to get to a healthy weight. That would ahve made her a good role model for both young and old people struggling with their weight. She might have motivated them to get healthy too. Instead she goes on tv and makes it a boo hoo issue.

Spoken like someone who has no earthly idea how hard that struggle can be.

Did the woman ever say she was trying to be a role model for weight loss?


Neither you nor the idiot who wrote the email have any idea what she is or isn't addressing. But, she took a negative and used it to deliver a message rather than feeling sorry for herself. THAT is being a role model.

[jujube]

Originally Posted by luvsJack

Spoken like someone who has no earthly idea how hard that struggle can be.

Did the woman ever say she was trying to be a role model for weight loss?


Neither you nor the idiot who wrote the email have any idea what she is or isn't addressing. But, she took a negative and used it to deliver a message rather than feeling sorry for herself. THAT is being a role model.

You dont know me and you don't know what issues I've had in my life.
I do know that she went on tv to boo hoo about an ugly email. The tv stations around the country would be filled with Dis members who feel slighted by other's posts and that's just this board if we all ran to get sympathy. She came across as totally feeling sorry for herself and wanted others to feel sorry for her as well.

[RitaE]

Originally Posted by jujube

Unless the reporter has a physical problem that has made her obese, then yes she got that way by choice. She chose to overeat.
She made it a public issue. It would have been better for her as a role model to have addressed it and then maybe said she's been inspired to get to a healthy weight. That would have made her a good role model for both young and old people struggling with their weight. She might have motivated them to get healthy too. Instead she goes on tv and makes it a boo hoo issue.

But aren't there all kinds of role models? Maybe she's being a good role model by demonstrating that even if you aren't perfect, you still have value and you can still be successful.

Yes she is overweight. She probably contributed to her weight problem with bad eating habits. She has an obvious flaw. Especially for a woman who has chosen to make her living in front of a tv camera --- that is a very hard hurdle to overcome. But she did it, she's been doing it for a long time, and she is successful at it..

Maybe she's a role model for all the flawed and imperfect 16 year olds who are scared to try something because they are afraid they might not be pretty and thin enough.

[jujube]

Originally Posted by RitaE

But aren't there all kinds of role models? Maybe she's being a good role model by demonstrating that even if you aren't perfect, you still have value and you can still be successful.

Yes she is overweight. She probably contributed to her weight problem with bad eating habits. She has an obvious flaw. Especially for a woman who has chosen to make her living in front of a tv camera --- that is a very hard hurdle to overcome. But she did it, she's been doing it for a long time, and she is successful at it..

Maybe she's a role model for all the flawed and imperfect 16 year olds who are scared to try something because they are afraid they might not be pretty and thin enough.

The point is she had a perfect forum to help others address unhealthy habits. Good for her for succeeding in tv news. That's great. The tv appearance, IMO, could have had a great impact to help others.

[luvmy3]

Originally Posted by RitaE

But aren't there all kinds of role models? Maybe she's being a good role model by demonstrating that even if you aren't perfect, you still have value and you can still be successful.

Yes she is overweight. She probably contributed to her weight problem with bad eating habits. She has an obvious flaw. Especially for a woman who has chosen to make her living in front of a tv camera --- that is a very hard hurdle to overcome. But she did it, she's been doing it for a long time, and she is successful at it..

Maybe she's a role model for all the flawed and imperfect 16 year olds who are scared to try something because they are afraid they might not be pretty and thin enough.

Exactly. Who says you have to be a role model just for X. People choose role models based on their experience, this woman could be a role model for many different kids for many different reasons. Why should be chastised because she isn't your (general your) idea for a role model?

[luvmy3]

Originally Posted by jujube

The point is she had a perfect forum to help others address unhealthy habits. Good for her for succeeding in tv news. That's great. The tv appearance, IMO, could have had a great impact to help others.

The point is she very well could have helped others in other ways.

Are you saying that only thin people should be public role models?

[jujube]

Originally Posted by luvmy3

The point is she very well could have helped others in other ways.

Are you saying that only thin people should be public role models?

Did I say that? No.

[luvmy3]

Originally Posted by jujube

Did I say that? No.

You imply she'd be a better role model, a good role model, helped others, if she addressed her weight issue. I'm asking you if you feel that overweight people can't be good role models if they don't focus on their weight issues. You may not have said that, but your posts certainly read like you think that.

[jujube]

Originally Posted by luvmy3

You imply she'd be a better role model, a good role model, helped others, if she addressed her weight issue. I'm asking you if you feel that overweight people can't be good role models if they don't focus on their weight issues. You may not have said that, but your posts certainly read like you think that.

No, you're inferring this was my meaning.

[Liberty Belle]

Originally Posted by KristaTX

No thanks.