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Old 09-26-2012, 04:13 PM   #91
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Re: the milk issue. They make these straws that have little beads that flavor the milk. My kids love all the flavors but I know they have chocolate. They are individually wrapped so you would have no problem packing them in a lunchbox.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:18 PM   #92
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Maybe it's just where I grew up but WHEN did schools start serving lunch? I grew up in the 80's and there wasn't "school lunch" until High School. K-8 you had to brown bag it. And we didn't even have a cafeteria, you ate at your desk.
I graduated high school in 2000 in the Chicago area. We had school lunches the whole time I was in school. At least 1st grade on... I can't remember about kindergarten.

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This is not directed toward anyone here but I just wanted to mention that just because someone is thin does not mean they are healthy. I have one family member that is super thin but very unhealthy. They eat nothing but carbs all day, no fruits, veggies, protein (well maybe a little). Cereal, pasta, bagels, pizza is about all they eat.
Agreed. My best friend LOOKS to be in great shape. He's very slim and well muscled. However, he has high blood pressure and is pre-diabetic. Size does not always mean healthy, which is why BMI is a horrible measure at the individual level (it can be used well when discussing populations because outliers will average out over time and sample sizes).
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #93
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I just asked DS11 some questions about the school lunch (he started a new school this year). He says they make him take everything (example part of the lunch was minestrone soup, he does chicken only, so he didn't want it) even if he throws it out, which he things is such a waste and stupid. He does have other options then the main lunch, he can get a sandwich, pizza, burger, salad and other things, but he has lunch so early he is starving when he gets home at 3:30! They have what they call a farm stand at his school (he had it last year too), where they have apples and other in season fruits, bagged carrots, and they are allowed to take items from there. He always takes it, but he says he doesn't always have time to eat the apple and they will only let you take bagged items out of the cafe. I am like, its an apple, it won't go bad, try next time to leave with it and see what happens.

He also said that one time they ran out of tater tots, and they had the entire line stand there and wait for them since they HAD to have them on their tray. DS was so poed, lol..he didn't want them, doesn't like tater tots!! Seems kinda silly wasting all that food, just so you can say the kids had it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:12 PM   #94
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DS isn't big about the lunches at school. (elementary)

When they serve spaghetti, it is overcooked pasta and a flavorless sauce.

When they serve pizza, the whole grain crust wouldn't be a problem, but the fact it isn't completely cooked is.

The cheese quesadillas have jalapenos in them...they may give out at most 10 or so of these when they have them, because those jalapenos can be spicy for little ones! I like them, though...

The chili is not chili. It is tomato sauce with ground beef and beans...the spice was just shown over the top and not actually applied.

The veggies are usually overcooked green beans, collard greens, carrots or peas. The only one he'll eat are the peas, because mushy peas are ok, but the rest need to be crunchier for him.

He can get the 2nd option (spinach salad, sometimes a southwestern version, sometimes with chicken, or caesar) but he doesn't like salad dressings (not even ranch) and they overdress the salads to the point they are almost soupy.


So, most days he takes lunch. A fruit (apple/grapes/raisins); carrot or celery sticks; bag of chips; juice box or water bottle; a snack (cookies/jello/cupcake) and a sandwich--either ham, cheese and lettuce (no mayo) or pb&j (natural pb--only nuts--and the "all fruit" blackberry jelly) on whole grain bread. He also grabs a milk at lunch.

And he's not my super picky kid. He'll eat pork chops (but not bacon ); loves sushi (not just California rolls--the only rule is no head); meatloaf and mashed potatoes are his current favorites; and the only veggies he doesn't like are asparagus, brussel sprouts and onions.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:19 PM   #95
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We had the uber "healthy" lunch plan last month and it didn't sell well.

For example- Fish taco. My kids love a fish taco- fresh fish fresh guacamole tomato salsa- mmmm served in a soft wheat tortilla.

School version of the "healthy" fish taco- Whole wheat oven fried taco shell- frozen fish sticks black beans and some low fat cheese-

So while I am sure the intention is good the execution has been weak. This month they are switching to a happy medium plan. With fresh fruit- GREAT! Fresh Veggies! GREAT! Whole grain breads - Great! Now if the main course would be less processed my kids would give it a go!
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I think it is ridiculous to think a 17 yr old boy would be filled by 2 nuggets and 1/2 cup of mashed potatoes. That is like 2 bites for a teen. Oh and some vegetables that would be burned off in nothing flat. A teen boy needs 2500 calories plus a day, that makes for some huge snacks to make those calories up with that lunch.


If I read that correct and that high school amounts are the same as elementary that is really nuts.
The calorie counts are different in elementary (650), middle (700) and high school (850). You say a teen boy needs 2500 calories a day - so if lunch is 850 calories, they are getting 1/3 of those calories for lunch and should get the remaining for breakfast and dinner. The problem is, so many of these kids have not been taught to eat fruits and veggies so they are going hungry. Why can't these kids bring snacks with them to school to supplement.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:31 PM   #97
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Maybe it's just where I grew up but WHEN did schools start serving lunch? I grew up in the 80's and there wasn't "school lunch" until High School. K-8 you had to brown bag it. And we didn't even have a cafeteria, you ate at your desk.

The only thing you could get from the school was milk. Your mom sent you in with money every quarter and you'd get milk tickets. Every day you'd hand in a ticket and get your milk. But it was optional, you could just bring milk from home in a Thermos, or no milk at all if that's what you wanted.

The school I'll be sending LO to (if we don't move and if we don't do private) has school lunches. Last I looked on their website, I think I'll be sending her in with a brown bag like I had growing up. Even homemade PB&J has to be healthier than some of the stuff I saw on their menu. For sure it would be better tasting!
I graduated HS in 1983, they served lunch the whole time I was in school. Plus we were able to buy milk for snack time.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:18 PM   #98
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I don't ever see that happening. Too many allergies out there and like mine she has diabetes, I will say what she eats for lunch, not a school board. Low calorie and low fat isn't the answer, good fat is along with other healthy choices.
Watch out. Allergies are used as the justification for the banning of brown bag lunches. It gives the school total control over what food comes into the school. The kids who have special diet requirements are accomodated with special meals. My 9th grader has been in school for years with a kosher vegan with food allergies. He gets his own specialized meal every single day.
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:42 PM   #99
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I guess I still don't get it.

If your kids don't like school lunch, pack their lunch.
If your kids aren't getting enough lunch at school, pack their lunch.
If your kids want something they can't buy at school, pack it.

850 calories is more than adequate for any one meal. I know on the DIS everyone are perfect parents, and all kids are skinny and super-active, and only eat healthy food, but in reality, a lot of kids, if given their choice, will only choose the junk. Maybe it's because that's what they prefer, maybe because it's what's "cool" to eat, maybe it's because that's all they are used to.

I'll be honest. My younger 3 kids will pick the junk if they are given their choice. If they have to choose between fries and broccoli, it will be fries. If it's greek yogurt or ice cream? The ice cream wins every time.

So, yes, I think you do need to limit kids. I will be honest. My kids will eat a bag of Doritos or a package of oreos if they are allowed.
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I guess I still don't get it.

If your kids don't like school lunch, pack their lunch.
If your kids aren't getting enough lunch at school, pack their lunch.
If your kids want something they can't buy at school, pack it.

850 calories is more than adequate for any one meal. I know on the DIS everyone are perfect parents, and all kids are skinny and super-active, and only eat healthy food, but in reality, a lot of kids, if given their choice, will only choose the junk. Maybe it's because that's what they prefer, maybe because it's what's "cool" to eat, maybe it's because that's all they are used to.

I'll be honest. My younger 3 kids will pick the junk if they are given their choice. If they have to choose between fries and broccoli, it will be fries. If it's greek yogurt or ice cream? The ice cream wins every time.

So, yes, I think you do need to limit kids. I will be honest. My kids will eat a bag of Doritos or a package of oreos if they are allowed.
I think the bold is totally normal and common and you are right..it's why kids need limits. Plenty/most kids would eat the ice cream over yogurt or french fries over broccoli if given the choice..hence the reason I don't understand all the talk of "compromises" in regards to food choices. IMO there isn't a compromise..if you want healthy food consumed you offer healthy food. That has been my philosophy since my children have been eating "real" food.

Most kids will always choose the sweets over the veggies or the fries over the broccoli...we as the adults teaching them food options (and the school serving food) need to provide them with the best and most appropriate choices not say "well they like pizza so we should just have a lot of pizza".
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:17 PM   #101
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The problem is that the schools can only do so much. They can serve broccoli & brown rice until the cows come home but if dinner is a rotation of KFC, pizza & burgers you're going to meet with a lot of resistance.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:25 PM   #102
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I graduated in 1981 and our schools always served lunch, I didn't know there were schools that didn't.
I graduated hs in 1980 & there wasn't any buying lunch in elementary school. You either went home for lunch or brought from home. There was milk to buy.
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Watch out. Allergies are used as the justification for the banning of brown bag lunches. It gives the school total control over what food comes into the school. The kids who have special diet requirements are accomodated with special meals. My 9th grader has been in school for years with a kosher vegan with food allergies. He gets his own specialized meal every single day.
Could be, but unlike other schools I have seen people talk about here, our school have never put a ban on anything and we have always been allowed to bring in homemade treats for kids. OUr schools, Thank God, still have the very uncommon trait of common sense.
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Watch out. Allergies are used as the justification for the banning of brown bag lunches. It gives the school total control over what food comes into the school. The kids who have special diet requirements are accomodated with special meals. My 9th grader has been in school for years with a kosher vegan with food allergies. He gets his own specialized meal every single day.
And I think some people will take their tuition money elsewhere if it is a private school. That would not fly around here.

I have one picky son, and one that is a little more adventurous. I know what they like, I make it as healthy as humanly possible and then I "force" more healthy options at home when I can control whether they eat it or not. I can put grapes in their lunch, I have no way to know if they actually eat it or not.
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My elementary school in TN didn't have a kitchen, so no school lunch, everyone brown-bagged. When we moved to NC, every school in the district had a kitchen and cafeteria. We still brown-bagged.
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