The UNBIASED Beer and Wine in the MK POLL

[JimmyV]

Is the decision to allow beer and wine at BoG during dinner a good one?

[Magpie]

Very good poll! Better than mine, I think.

[JimmyV]

Sorry. I din't see yours. Didn't mean to step on you.

[Magpie]

Nah, it's okay! Mine's all about feelings. Your is far more practical.

[jedijill]

I'm all for it since the world is going to end anyway. j/k I don't quite think it is the end of the world as we know it....as some folks on the 'net seem to think.

Jill in CO

[deakam]

I think this is a mistake. On our last trip I actually witness stupid drunk parents dragging crying kids around Epcot and Hollywood Studios....Walt did not want this and Walt would not do this...Add alcohol to the heat and over tired kids and you get idiots...If you want to have a drink do it after the kids are asleep at the resort.

[rentayenta]

Good idea. Those who drink, can....and those that don't want to, don't have to.


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[Tanyabeth8]

Originally Posted by deakam

I think this is a mistake. On our last trip I actually witness stupid drunk parents dragging crying kids around Epcot and Hollywood Studios....Walt did not want this and Walt would not do this...Add alcohol to the heat and over tired kids and you get idiots...If you want to have a drink do it after the kids are asleep at the resort.

It's been my experience that there are also lots of annoying idiot SOBER parents dragging screaming tired crying kids around because the parents don't want to miss out on EMH.

[Tanyabeth8]

And I don't think anyone on this site knows what Walt would have wanted so you sound like an idiot claiming to know what a man who died long before I was even born whom I'm sure you did not know personally would want.

[MickeyMomTo2]

Originally Posted by Tanyabeth8

And I don't think anyone on this site knows what Walt would have wanted so you sound like an idiot claiming to know what a man who died long before I was even born whom I'm sure you did not know personally would want.

I respect your opinion, but I don't think that people saying "Walt wouldn't want it" sound like idiots.

This is a quote from Walt Disney pertaining to Disneyland:

"No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax."

I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that he might have felt that way about all the parks. He may have felt differently about the atmosphere at BoG and the selections offered, but it is public knowledge that he did not want alcohol offered in the parks when he was developing them.

I'm not trying to champion this view point--I'm not overly passionate about either side of the issue. But, I think that people who are upset have a valid reason for being disappointed.

[gwmort]

Originally Posted by MickeyMomTo2

I respect your opinion, but I don't think that people saying "Walt wouldn't want it" sound like idiots.

This is a quote from Walt Disney pertaining to Disneyland:

"No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax."

I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that he might have felt that way about all the parks. He may have felt differently about the atmosphere at BoG and the selections offered, but it is public knowledge that he did not want alcohol offered in the parks when he was developing them.

I'm not trying to champion this view point--I'm not overly passionate about either side of the issue. But, I think that people who are upset have a valid reason for being disappointed.

I think you're missing the key element of the quote, its not the alcohol he was against, it was the riff raff. People spending big bucks at a fancy french restaurant aren't the ones he was worried about. If Casey's started selling beers with the hot dogs I think you would have a point.

[Magpie]

Originally Posted by MickeyMomTo2

I respect your opinion, but I don't think that people saying "Walt wouldn't want it" sound like idiots.

This is a quote from Walt Disney pertaining to Disneyland:

"No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax."

I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that he might have felt that way about all the parks. He may have felt differently about the atmosphere at BoG and the selections offered, but it is public knowledge that he did not want alcohol offered in the parks when he was developing them.

I'm not trying to champion this view point--I'm not overly passionate about either side of the issue. But, I think that people who are upset have a valid reason for being disappointed.

A sane and balanced response! What are you doing on the Dis?

Anyway, I agree that this is quite possibly comparing apples and oranges. French wines and beers being offered to complement the French dining at the BOG is hardly likely to bring in the riff-raff, so that pretty much negates Walt's argument against alcohol in the park.

Were there any "fancy" restaurants in either of the Magic Kingdom parks when they first opened?

[MickeyMomTo2]

Originally Posted by gwmort

I think you're missing the key element of the quote, its not the alcohol he was against, it was the riff raff. People spending big bucks at a fancy french restaurant aren't the ones he was worried about. If Casey's started selling beers with the hot dogs I think you would have a point.

I get what you are saying, and that's why we can't know for sure how he would have responded to this. However, he did say "No liquor, no beer, NOTHING" (emphasis mine), and looking at the context of the entire interview, you can see that he wanted Disneyland to be a place of innocence. Grown-ups have plenty of opportunities to drink--he wanted the park to be free from that. He could have had any fine quality beverage he wanted, but he specifically stated that he did that away from the park.

And while it is true that plenty of sober people act like riff-raff in many situations, to say that people won't drink too much because it is a fancy restaurant is certainly idealistic. People who have been drinking are more likely to participate in behaviors that they wouldn't if they were sober, whether it's cheap or expensive beer doesn't really matter.

Again, I don't have strong opinions either way, but I can see the point of those who feel strongly that Walt wouldn't want it. They may not have known him personally, but they are basing their opinions on his own statements.

[MickeyMomTo2]

Originally Posted by Magpie

A sane and balanced response! What are you doing on the Dis?

Anyway, I agree that this is quite possibly comparing apples and oranges. French wines and beers being offered to complement the French dining at the BOG is hardly likely to bring in the riff-raff, so that pretty much negates Walt's argument against alcohol in the park.

Were there any "fancy" restaurants in either of the Magic Kingdom parks when they first opened?

Thanks for calling me sane and balanced. I'll have to share that with my husband. He'll get a kick out of that!

[nanienamou]

I thinks it's fine to offer wine and beer and even some cocktails at the restaurants in MK.