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Old 09-17-2012, 07:20 AM   #91
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I really do not see any issues with this. Its not like your going to get many people being drunk on the prices they charge for alc beverages at disney. When we were there it was not very sheap to get a beer or drink at the resort we were at, so i say they will over inflate the price the same.

Case in point , when we got there there were people sat at the outside bar at the resort, drinking in plan view of everybody, people walking around with open drinks, i.e. beer , liquor etc. I myself went to walmart to get a case of beer to have down by the pool like everyone else.

Dont see it as a big deal to serve beer or wine with a meal, time to come into the times, a social drink is only a social drink.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:26 PM   #92
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Dont see it as a big deal to serve beer or wine with a meal...
I don't see it as a big deal either, but I still don't like it. No matter how you slice it, the decision to bring alcohol into the MK takes away some measure of innocence from the park. I cannot see that as a good thing. It's not going to make me boycott the park or the restaurant, but I still am not a fan of the decision.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:45 PM   #93
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I really do not see any issues with this. Its not like your going to get many people being drunk on the prices they charge for alc beverages at disney.
Okay - really??? People don't get drunk at Disney because the prices are too high? I beg to differ. But that notwithstanding - Walt Disney specifically said he never wanted alcohol in the Magic Kingdom - it needed to be a place for families. This is where the current batch of morons running WDW cross the line - thinking they're smart enough or clever enough to start messing with real legacy issues left behind by the man who had the vision.

This is the beginning folks - it won't stop here. If this is allowed to stand - the envelope will keep getting pushed until we have Six Flags over Orlando.

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Okay - really??? People don't get drunk at Disney because the prices are too high? I beg to differ. But that notwithstanding - Walt Disney specifically said he never wanted alcohol in the Magic Kingdom - it needed to be a place for families. This is where the current batch of morons running WDW cross the line - thinking they're smart enough or clever enough to start messing with real legacy issues left behind by the man who had the vision.

This is the beginning folks - it won't stop here. If this is allowed to stand - the envelope will keep getting pushed until we have Six Flags over Orlando.

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Old 09-17-2012, 03:24 PM   #95
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Also, for what it's worth? What are we trying to prevent here, public drunkenness? There is no rule saying you can't drink around the World and then hop on a monorail and be drunk on Main St.
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Also, for what it's worth? What are we trying to prevent here, public drunkenness? There is no rule saying you can't drink around the World and then hop on a monorail and be drunk on Main St.
Good point. Also all the monorail resorts have places to eat that serve booze as well as pool bars and lounges. There are probably more people than you think that have booze in their systems walking around the Magic Kingdom.
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Good point. Also all the monorail resorts have places to eat that serve booze as well as pool bars and lounges. There are probably more people than you think that have booze in their systems walking around the Magic Kingdom.

Hmm. Good points, but does that mean we encourage it by making sales inside the park itself? Doesn't this lend itself to selling alcohol at other areas in the MK? How would that impact the atmosphere of the park? As I said here, this opens a Pandora's Box of possibilities.
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Maybe adding wine to the menu's will help improve the taste of some of the awful things being served in some of the restaurants.
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Good point. Also all the monorail resorts have places to eat that serve booze as well as pool bars and lounges. There are probably more people than you think that have booze in their systems walking around the Magic Kingdom.
I agree, but I think there is something to there being a "mindset" that people know MK is dry so I think many respect that (not all of course) and for those who don't respect it and bring alcohol in, they are more careful and make an effort not to be obvious about it.
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Maybe adding wine to the menu's will help improve the taste of some of the awful things being served in some of the restaurants.
With this logic, I'm almost tempted to say it'd be okay to serve it at Cindy's castle restaurant.
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as posted in the other thread:

The utlimate irony: Building a nightlife entertainment district catering to the adult crowd. Closing it in favor of a more "family friendly" experience. Then allowing alcohol inside the flagship "family" park where Walt SPECIFICALLY didn't want alcohol served.

I really don't know why Disney is holding auditions for circus acts for FLE. They have a full blown circus act right at TDO(Team Disney Orlando)

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Disney has proven multiple times that they are a slippery slope. If I could trust that the environment will be controlled, that exits will be watched, and that the rules will be enforced, then it'd be a little bit easier, but the reality is I can't. Sure, they'll have someone at the doorway for what? 6 months? Then they'll get cheap and cut labor, next thing you know, no one is enforcing it. As far as I'm concerned it's the same situation with inappropriate Tshirts coming into the park. Only front entrance ops can tell a guest to turn a shirt inside out, yet they are watching 2-4 turnstiles at a time with people who can't figure out how to stick it in and put their finger on it. No wonder tshirts with the F word, hell, damn, and poo make their way into the parks. I see no reason to trust that alcohol will be entirely isolated to this location, nor do I trust the rule will be enforced by the CP who doesn't give a damn watching the door. All of this on top of the fact that Walt EXPLICITLY did not want alcohol in MK.
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All of this on top of the fact that Walt EXPLICITLY did not want alcohol in MK.
As Skip has pointed out, there is no indication that Walt felt this way about Florida, and there's certainly no indication how he would feel close to 50 years after his death. Walt died before Bobby Kennedy died; it was a different world.
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I'll email Bob Gurr. I'm sure he has a lot to say on the issue.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:39 PM   #104
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I find some irony that people are outraged that Disney would let alcohol into another park and closer to children, yet in in Brooklyn the exact opposite is happening. Parents are outraged that they can no longer bring their children into a beer garden after 4 pm. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1160216
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As Skip has pointed out, there is no indication that Walt felt this way about Florida, and there's certainly no indication how he would feel close to 50 years after his death. Walt died before Bobby Kennedy died; it was a different world.
Actually, this is something that has been documented. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have read about it before in a book as well as spoke with someone at Disney Studios/Archives two years ago during my ABD trip. Walt specifically said that he did not want alcohol in either MKs. Club 33 was made the exception in DL due to its being a private club that is not open to the public. Florida's MK, though, does not have such a venue and all of the park was meant to stay "dry." This tradition has been in place since it opened in 1971.
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