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Old 09-14-2012, 07:30 PM   #76
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As others have pointed out, Walt did not want his park to resemble the roadside carnivals and tacky, rundown amusement parks.

As Disney has proven time and again, alcohol can be served in their theme parks without much issue and serving wine and beer only at dinner in a higher end restaurant is not the same as setting up a keg in the Winnie The Pooh queue.

It's my opinion that Walt's opinion would have evolved with the times. He died before we can know for certain, but from what I've read and heard....he was pretty forward thinking.

As I pointed out earlier, if Disney did everything Walt said, we'd be able to ski at Mineral King.

That being said, Disney has altered a great deal of what Walt created. There have been some drastic changes made. The same can be said for other corporations. Fords no longer look like the Fords sold in 1966 and Coca Cola used to contain actual drugs. Things just change.

Until the Emporium becomes a casino and the Golden Horseshoe a "dance" club, I think families will not even notice that patrons paying high dollar to dine at BOG are having wine with dinner.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY DDP DOESN'T INCLUDE THE WINE?!?

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Old 09-14-2012, 07:34 PM   #77
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY DDP DOESN'T INCLUDE THE WINE?!?

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Old 09-14-2012, 08:32 PM   #78
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not the same as setting up a keg in the Winnie The Pooh queue.
^ Now, there's an idea !

In all seriousness, I hate to break it to you kind folks, but there are drunk/"high on something" people in the MK each and every day.

It's not the most pleasant of thoughts, but it's the truth.

I remember sitting in front of the turnstiles on those benches outside of the MK entrance for an extended period of time one evening. (darned if I can remember *why*) But, I was absolutely shocked at the number of totally wasted adults that were being let into the park. And the CM's didn't seem the least bit shocked about it, acting like it was "just another night".

Like most things, it's all a question of moderation. If a "ruckus" occurs on Main Street or anywhere else in the park, those hidden CM's have a way of making the people involved "disappear" toot sweet.

Bottom line, if alcohol is not for you, don't drink.

Personally, I'd LOVE it if Casey's sold ice-cold beer. I've fantasized about one on many a warm evening in the park.

Just my opinion.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:35 PM   #79
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Can't say I ever realized that MK was dry. I never really thought about it and I don't really drink. I knew you could get drinks at Epcot. Does this mean that Tony's can start serving too? And maybe some fun colorful drinks around Wishes time, you know, to go with the kids' stuff?

I can't say I've seen many drunk parties going on at Epcot, so I'm not too worried about the character of the park.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:56 PM   #80
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Kevin I agree with you with everything you said i'm Just afraid that this is the foot in the door so to speak.Living in New England I have always thought a Disney Ski/Winter resort would be a great addition to the North East
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:18 PM   #81
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I don't think the question for me is what Walt Disney would have wanted. Instead, I think it dates back to the original stories of his intended plan for Magic Kingdom to be deemed a "family-friendly atmosphere." It is common knowledge among Disney fans that he did not want alcohol served in MK for this very reason, whether it was 1955, 1971, or 2012.

I have read in several books about this very fact. Similarly, it was discussed when I visited Disney Studios and the Archives in California. Apparently Walt made it clear during meetings and statements to the public that he felt alcohol should not be served in MK. The park was intended to be a place for families to be together and alcohol is not needed for families to enjoy themselves.

Of course, times have changed. The world and Disney Parks have changed as well. Despite this, Disney execs have continued to honor Walt's wishes regarding alcohol. Attractions, theming, and the like will always evolve; Walt announced this himself. However, he never stated that MK should be anything but a place for families to enjoy together without the selling of alcoholic beverages, which again according to him, is unnecessary.

Still, the question remains...should a visionary's opinion on an issue like this be upheld? In my opinion, most definitely.
Forgive me, but I am still skeptical. While I am well aware that Walt did not want alcohol in Disneyland, I have never run across references to alcohol in Florida's Magic Kingdom. Please provide book titles or any other references to alcohol in the Florida Magic Kingdom.

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It is common knowledge among Disney fans that he did not want alcohol served in MK for this very reason, whether it was 1955, 1971, or 2012.
I am a big Walt Disney World fan who has done a lot of research though out my life into the history of it. I, personally, have only knowledge of Walt saying this about Disneyland. Without documentation, it would be difficult to predict what Walt would want.

If there is documentation of his wishes that forbids alcohol in Florida's Magic Kingdom......then absolutely is is wrong to introduce alcohol into Florida's Magic Kingdom, as well as Disneyland.

At the same time.....it is wrong to assume what a person's philosophy would be 46 years after their death.

I'm very interested in looking at, and learning from, any and all documentation that anyone my have regarding how Walt felt about alcohol at the Florida Magic Kingdom.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:32 PM   #82
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Actually I would argue that Walt`s wishes were broken when they opened Epcot.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:33 PM   #83
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I look at Magic Kingdom as Walt's house no matter when or where it's built.He invited all of us into his house and had rules then and believe they should always be enforced.This is all about making more money they can come up with many more ways to make money. I just don't understand changing something that has been in place for years plus go against Walt's rules at the same time all for the mighty dollar.I have seen several posts today saying that they can use a drink in the parks because they are on edge do to the crowds or kids what ever the case may be.Do we really need more people altering there state of mind to tolerate what is going on in the parks?
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I understand they are going to sell alcohol in the MK. I just hope that people be "smart" when they drink.

Has anyone ever thought how much alcohol is brought into the MK everyday without cast members knowing or recognizing it?
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:49 PM   #85
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In reading this, I'm not for or against anybody. I like to drink just like anyone else, but if it was walts wishes, It should be respected. HOWEVER I will say that if Walt was alive and saw that there is 100% markup on alcohol, that may change things, hopefully with them bringing alcohol in ,we won't have people getting sloppy!!!
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:11 PM   #86
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Actually I would argue that Walt`s wishes were broken when they opened Epcot.
Exactly!

As I said it post 50 of this thread:

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If he were alive today, would there be alcohol served in ANY Disney park? Would the Food and Wine festivals exist?
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Old 09-15-2012, 01:39 AM   #87
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I'm just stuck on the slippery slope thing. They serve a little wine and beer at BOG...that seemd to go okay...so what's the harm in putting a beer stand in Frontierland? And you know, while we are at it another in Tomorrowland......

Do people bring alcohol into MK? I'm sure they do, but I can't think of a time I have ever noticed someone obviously drinking/drunk in MK, but I have at every other park...more than a few times at Epcot and one guy in particular was disgusting drunk, a couple times in DHS and that I can recall just once at AK...and to be fair he was coming out of Rainforest, but still, it was unpleasant every time and if they insist on offering it at BOG, the more that is done to keep it tightly controlled at MK the better IMHO.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:58 AM   #88
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I understand both sides of this argument, I really do, and it's hardly the first time this topic has come up so I've had quite a long time to think about it.

First off, it amazes me that the "powers that be" at The Mouse have held out for as long as they have. There's such a HUGE profit margin to be had selling alcohol, and goodness knows anyone reading this knows that Disney has never been shy about making a profit. I suppose it's akin to there being no casinos on the Disney Ships. The concept being, presumably, that gambling and alcohol have no business in the "Disney family experience".

But, I'm not so sure about that.

The obvious pro-alcohol argument is that it is served in all three of the other parks, and one could even argue that it's "celebrated" at Epcot. Personally, (and I say this as one half of a couple without children) I can honestly say that alcohol has *never* negatively impacted my personal "park experience".

Have I seen drunk people there ? Sure. (Lots of them in the MK, btw...) but this doesn't horrify or upset me. I just see it as people on vacation having a good time.

And secondly, the thing that seems the silliest to me is that there is booze-a-plenty available at all the resorts on the monorail line. Heck, in the case of the CR it's in walking distance.

In other words, if you're of drinking age and want alcohol, it's over in that big A-frame building right over there... The monorail runs right through it, you can't miss it.

So, to say you can't buy a beer on Main Street, but just walk a quarter of a mile "that a way" seems kind of dumb to me.

Part of this may be because, in my mind at least, I think of all the resorts on the monorail line as a sort of extension of The Magic Kingdom itself. When I'm staying at one I feel, in a way, that I've never really left the park. (Versus, say, Pop Century, that seems like it's in an entirely different resort.)

I'm not sure that this makes sense to anyone but me, but it's the way I feel.

The MK doesn't really have a "destination restaurant", (don't get me started on CRT ) But it certainly has nothing along the lines of a Bistro de Paris or a Brown Derby, or heck- even a Yak&Yeti, but apparently it's about to get one, and IMO I'd see nothing wrong with them having a full bar available, let alone beer and wine.
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Dole Whip margarita, please.
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