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Old 09-17-2012, 08:53 AM   #91
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I agree with this. Overall the people in those countries don't WANT to live like we do- so why try to make them? Let them work their own crap out. BUT I don't think that will stop them from killing us. As someone else pointed out to them we are "infidels".

They hate us because we aren't like them- period.
I can understand the desire to paint with as broad of a brush as possible. The temptation to paint everything in just one stroke is super tempting, after all. Of course, then you have to deal with cleaning up all that mess.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:07 AM   #92
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It's been pushed back. It was supposed to open in October but is now opening in December. Don't know when that decision was made. I wonder if the Bin Laden book riled people up a bit, though.

As for not sending money to the Middle East. The Saudi's are a major U.S. bond holder. As for being oil independent, what we pump on U.S. soil is often sent to Asian countries.
The decision to push it to Dec release was made at least a couple of months ago. Nothing to do with what happened 9/11.
The point of my post, because it seems to be lost, is that the film was a White House sanctioned film about the killing of OBL.
Like the Middle East isn't going to be upset about that.


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The point was, to get off the middle eastern tit. Can't do that if we continue the same old, same old. If you use the money that we send overseas towards creating renewable sources here, we won't have to go back to being at their mercy. Plus it would create plenty of jobs here. It's time we start taking care of our own and securing the future of our country with what we got here instead of relying on others.
This country is rich in oil, gas and coal. We should use it. Not shut it down for the Sierra Club.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:22 AM   #93
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The decision to push it to Dec release was made at least a couple of months ago. Nothing to do with what happened 9/11.
The point of my post, because it seems to be lost, is that the film was a White House sanctioned film about the killing of OBL.
Like the Middle East isn't going to be upset about that.




This country is rich in oil, gas and coal. We should use it. Not shut it down for the Sierra Club.
We do use it-in record amounts. Don't understand why we export it though. This country is also rich in sunshine and wind
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:28 AM   #94
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The point was, to get off the middle eastern tit. Can't do that if we continue the same old, same old. If you use the money that we send overseas towards creating renewable sources here, we won't have to go back to being at their mercy. Plus it would create plenty of jobs here. It's time we start taking care of our own and securing the future of our country with what we got here instead of relying on others.
Yes. That's my point too. We need to develop our own oil, not give Brazil 1 billion to develop theirs. Or buy it from others. We need to be independent.

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We do use it-in record amounts. Don't understand why we export it though. This country is also rich in sunshine and wind
The thing is, sunshine and wind won't power vehicles. Our country would come to a standstill without oil.
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As I watch Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN, on a news show saying that absolutely it is the YouTube that has caused this unrest.
Unbelievable.
It's not just unbelievable, it's sickening. Our country was attacked in an act of war (a U.S. embassy is per international law sovereign territory) before the so-called "youtube" protest had even started. The attack was a military style, highly coordinated assault using rocket propelled grenades and machine guns by three different teams.

And the U.S. had been told three days earlier by Libyan authorities that there were indications of potential terrorist actions aimed at U.S. facilities in Libya on or around 9/11.

And that piece of blankety-blank Rice has the gall to call that pre-planned terrorist attack a "spontaneous" element of the youtube rioting?!?!??!

Let's just call this what it is -- blatant lying to provide cover for a certain person who is eventually going to be called out on why we ignored warnings.
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Yes. That's my point too. We need to develop our own oil, not give Brazil 1 billion to develop theirs. Or buy it from others. We need to be independent.

The thing is, sunshine and wind won't power vehicles. Our country would come to a standstill without oil.
Annie is correct. Or to put it another way, the Chevy Volt....is a taxpayer-subsidized toy for wealthy Americans who don't drive very far.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88904J20120910

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Old 09-17-2012, 01:02 PM   #97
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The story that they tried to spin is falling apart. Biting lip...shutting up......
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We do use it-in record amounts. Don't understand why we export it though. This country is also rich in sunshine and wind
Getting windmills up and running isn't as easy as it seems. They have been trying to get one off the coast of Cape Cod for a while and have run into lots of obstacles.

My town rented space on town property for a windmill and people are up in arms that it wrecks the view. Numerours articles have been written in the paper and people have complained to the selectmen. I don't think we will ever see another one even though we are on the coast.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:03 PM   #99
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The birds love the wind turbines:



The poor bird in the back got sliced in half.


The neighbors love them too:
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* On average 1 low-paid maintenance worker is employed for every 12-15 turbines.
* Turbines are manufactured overseas and assembled onsite by specialized firms.
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It's not just unbelievable, it's sickening. Our country was attacked in an act of war (a U.S. embassy is per international law sovereign territory) before the so-called "youtube" protest had even started. The attack was a military style, highly coordinated assault using rocket propelled grenades and machine guns by three different teams.

And the U.S. had been told three days earlier by Libyan authorities that there were indications of potential terrorist actions aimed at U.S. facilities in Libya on or around 9/11.

And that piece of blankety-blank Rice has the gall to call that pre-planned terrorist attack a "spontaneous" element of the youtube rioting?!?!??!

Let's just call this what it is -- blatant lying to provide cover for a certain person who is eventually going to be called out on why we ignored warnings.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:36 PM   #101
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And....while we are at it we should immediately stop all $$$$$$$ going to these countries. I hope the US starts drilling drilling drilling and becomes independent from these countries, pull our money and troops....Let them work out their own problems. I know this sounds simplistic and will never happen....
See the thing that's weird is that there isn't a real reason to get involved in the middle east. Most of the US's oil comes from Canada. The second largest amount of oil comes from Mexico. The middle east has the most oil reserves which means if oil runs out elsewhere we have no other choice but to go to the middle east for oil but that is years and years away. What would happen if we took the money we spent on peacekeeping in other countries and put it into coming up with the next thing that will really work and could replace oil?
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We do use it-in record amounts. Don't understand why we export it though. This country is also rich in sunshine and wind
Which at this time are unfortunately not able to provide energy in the scale needed in a manner that would have a cost comparable to current power sources. Though it would be nice to have an alternative to gasoline that would provide the same ease of use, ability to refuel quickly, and available distance as a tank of fuel there is just not anything available to take it's place. Gasoline is still used because it is still one of the most effective ways to transport energy safely in the amount needed.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:36 PM   #103
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The poor bird in the back got sliced in half.


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They are helping the job situation:


Oh yes, lets build those windmills.
I dont know where you got your info, but many of these windmills are made here in the USA and more specifically, in Columbus, Nebraska where the welders start at $50k a year and there is a major shortage of welders. www.katana-summit.com
ETA: $50k a year is a good living here in Nebraska.
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See the thing that's weird is that there isn't a real reason to get involved in the middle east. Most of the US's oil comes from Canada. The second largest amount of oil comes from Mexico. The middle east has the most oil reserves which means if oil runs out elsewhere we have no other choice but to go to the middle east for oil but that is years and years away. What would happen if we took the money we spent on peacekeeping in other countries and put it into coming up with the next thing that will really work and could replace oil?
I'm no expert, but I don't think thats how it works because of ties to OPEC
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:28 PM   #105
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Here is a vidcap (from the story liked below) of Libyan terrorists inside the consulate compound during the coordinated attack. As you can see, one of them is carrying RPGs (rocket propelled grenades). This is not something some random disaffected young Muslim protestor has sitting in their garage and decides to "spontaneously" bring to the protest for kicks. It is a deadly, highly reliable military assault weapon that is a preferred tool of organized groups of militants/terrorists.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...late-in-libya/

If you want to see what an RPG can do, here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZnBzfhSmUU

Bottom line: anyone who calls this assault a "protest" must have said the same thing about the 9/11 attacks.

According to our State Department:

"Ms Rice denied the Benghazi attack was pre-planned. She said: "Our current best assessment... is that... it was a spontaneous – not a premeditated – response to what had transpired in Cairo. "A small number of people came to the consulate. It seems to have been hijacked by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons... And it then evolved from there."

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