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Old 01-13-2013, 10:27 AM   #16
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The normal rule has been that if you are within 30 days of the birthday, they will let you move up...but they can always make exceptions. Turning 14 on the third day of the cruise--they will let you start in the Vibe. They know kids make friends from the beginning. You'll just have to talk to the CM on the first day.

As to moving up a 13--depends on the cruise and the CMs involved as well as number of kids in each age group. My personal opinion--I wish they would stick to the established guidelines and quit making exceptions. That was supposedly the point of the overlap ages. When they allow 10s into an 11-14 program, all the 13s and 14s want to bail and move up....so they move the 13s to the 14-17 and the 17s just leave. We've seen it way too often. When The Stack was 13-17, they allowed 12s...and the teens reported that it was "full of babies." Then they made it 14-17 but still allow younger kids. Not good.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I totally agree with this.

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Old 01-13-2013, 10:39 AM   #17
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My DD has been left with the expectation that she might be spending the first two night prior to the official birthday in the Edge and then move up on her actual birthday day. She has already decided that if she is unable to move up, that she will be spending a lot of time the first couple of days in the movie theater and the pool/Aquaduck.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:12 AM   #18
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As to moving up a 13--depends on the cruise and the CMs involved as well as number of kids in each age group. My personal opinion--I wish they would stick to the established guidelines and quit making exceptions. That was supposedly the point of the overlap ages. When they allow 10s into an 11-14 program, all the 13s and 14s want to bail and move up....so they move the 13s to the 14-17 and the 17s just leave. We've seen it way too often. When The Stack was 13-17, they allowed 12s...and the teens reported that it was "full of babies." Then they made it 14-17 but still allow younger kids. Not good.
I agree with this, too. My DD (13) does not want to go to Edge because she think there will be too many "little kids" there. I, on the other hand, don't want her at Vibe because I think there will be too many older kids. If there was a no exceptions policy, I'd have less of a fight on my hands. I'm hoping we'll tour both the first day and she'll magically like Edge better on her own
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:55 PM   #19
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I agree with this, too. My DD (13) does not want to go to Edge because she think there will be too many "little kids" there. I, on the other hand, don't want her at Vibe because I think there will be too many older kids. If there was a no exceptions policy, I'd have less of a fight on my hands. I'm hoping we'll tour both the first day and she'll magically like Edge better on her own
Yes, totally agree with this as well. My dd is 12, turning 13 on our cruise. I want her in The Edge for 11-14 year olds. I will not ask to move her up to Vibe, simply because I don't want her with possibly 17 girls...and more importantly 17 year old boys, who could all be very close to 18! There's way too much of an age/maturity difference there.

I think the issue comes into play based on age level/grade level as well. My dd is 12 (turning 13 in early April) and in 7th grade. It has always been that so many of her classmates are older than her, they entered 7th grade already being 13 or turning 13 in early fall. They are 6-9 months older than her. It really made a difference in grades K-5, but seems to have leveled out now. I don't know if it's because we live in an area that has a lot of "transplants" from other parts of the US or what? There is also a term for when this is done purposefully known as "red-shirting", not just based on a Fall birthday. So, there may be a child who is of age, but is also a grade behind the rest of the kids in the Edge or Vibe. You could have a 14 year old who is finishing 7th grade, hanging out with kids from High School.

I know if my 7th grader is in The Edge, she won't be happy if 4th graders are in there too. She would want them to wait their turn, like she had to.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I totally agree with this.
I have two kids and completely agree with this. My 14 yo isn't sure he wants to go to the Vibe, but if they are letting 13 yos there that will leave him in the Edge with 10-12 yos. He would be in the right place for an 8th grader but the CMs making those exceptions screws it up for him.

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I know if my 7th grader is in The Edge, she won't be happy if 4th graders are in there too. She would want them to wait their turn, like she had to.
AMEN!!! DD was not allowed into the Edge at 10 1/2. Now that she is 12 she doesn't think 10 yos should be there since those are "the rules".
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:23 PM   #21
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But then you have the kids like my daughter who were 13 when in high school (9th grade). She has a December birthday, and is always the youngest in her class.

She wouldn't have had much in common with an 11 year old 5th grader in the Edge.

I think there should be a cross-over year for Edge/Vibe so that the situation the OP has, with one 13 year old and one 14 year wanting to be in the same group could be accommodated. However, there really is a ton of things for kids to do outside the clubs too.

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But then you have the kids like my daughter who were 13 when in high school (9th grade). She has a December birthday, and is always the youngest in her class.

She wouldn't have had much in common with an 11 year old 5th grader in the Edge.

I think there should be a cross-over year for Edge/Vibe so that the situation the OP has, with one 13 year old and one 14 year wanting to be in the same group could be accommodated. However, there really is a ton of things for kids to do outside the clubs too.

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There is a cross-over age - 14. Edge: 11-14 years. Vibe: 14-17 years.

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But then you have the kids like my daughter who were 13 when in high school (9th grade). She has a December birthday, and is always the youngest in her class.

She wouldn't have had much in common with an 11 year old 5th grader in the Edge.

I think there should be a cross-over year for Edge/Vibe so that the situation the OP has, with one 13 year old and one 14 year wanting to be in the same group could be accommodated. However, there really is a ton of things for kids to do outside the clubs too.

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I get what you are saying, but they did create a "crossover" year, and that is age 14. I was the youngest in my class by several months (skipped a grade), so I know how your daughter feels. Believe me, I get it!

That said, I too agree with the others that DCL needs to establish and STICK TO their own rules. My just turned 12 year old daughter is physically and intellectually mature for her age, but she is also in the 6th grade in elementary school, and I really prefer that she not even hang with middle schoolers at this point in time if I could avoid it (the longer I can delay interest in boys, makeup, etc, the better!) There is no way I would want her feeling like she needed to go to Vibe as a 13 year old and hang out with high schoolers next year, all because the 13 year olds were being allowed to (and sometimes, according to reports on these boards, encouraged) to abandon Edge.
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There are crossovers in all the programs.

Club/Lab 3-12
Edge 11-14
Vibe 14-17

SO...11/12s can choose Lab or Edge.
14s can choose Edge or Vibe.

I was also a young one--was in college at 17. Yes, there were a few times it mattered, but most of the time it really didn't. I couldn't drive till I was a senior in high school, couldn't get a "real" job despite being out of high school, etc. I do appreciate where your daughter is coming from, but I honestly think the overlap year is placed where it belongs.

The teen program was adjusted to 14-17 primarily due to parent feedback. The overlap year(s) provide for increased guest flexibility. But those pesky exceptions don't serve anyone and irritate those kids who were told that they couldn't move up (years ago when they stuck to the rules a bit more!)
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Exactly. The teen club use to be 13-18. Parents complained that they didn't want their 13 yos in with 17 & 18 yos, so DCL created the Edge for tweens.

Your district may have a late age cutoff for school, but others start 9/1. My DD was 11 starting 7th grade this year due to our 10/15 cutoff.
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My daughter has been going to the kids clubs since 5yrs old. She is now 16y.
She also believes that DCL should stick with their transition ages, especially for Vibe. On the DVC member cruise last week,she stated that 13yr olds were allowed into Vibe, which is the first she had experienced this in the last 6 cruises we've done with her. She said that half of the 13y were so immature it was embarrassing and annoying to the older teenagers in there. One of the 13yr old was smashing balls into the faces of the other kids in there and had to be "put in his place" by an older teen.
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