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Old 08-12-2012, 08:42 PM   #46
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So we set our wake up call for 7AM. Neither of us does mornings well any more and we fell promptly back asleep after taking the wake up call! I wake up to see 7:49AM on the bedside clock. Luckily I found out later that it was 10 minutes fast. We both jumped out of bed, quite a feat for Fran since she doesn’t do anything quickly and we are out the door within about 15-20 minutes. We grab some bagels, juice, fruit and coffee upstairs and high tail it over to the DLH Convention Center. The line for even the Diamond Level is pretty huge, but luckily they understand about people with disabilities and reserve a couple spots for Fran and the other woman in a wheelchair who is also a friend of ours. In fact we even ran into her at dinner on our way out of the restaurant the night before.
I was absolutely disheartened to see this sign right off, I thought, “Now what will happen to my TR?” Luckily once we were seated I noticed tons of other people taking pictures and it was only a few presentations where they were showing us never before released stuff that we couldn’t take pictures.



Now getting to our seats is no small feat. Luckily since the last Destination-D they have installed a scooter lift so that we can get down to the lower level where the Diamond seats are located. It takes about 4-5 minutes to raise the lift up and lower it back down. Since we are usually the second of the wheelchair parties, it’s a very slow and tedious process. Other people are running to get the seats in the front. At least this first time they let us go in first and get a head start on the game.

So here is the image on the screen in front of us…



Here is the room on either sides of us





And here we are in our second row center seats



OK, I have to go back for the final closing show of the weekend, but at least we have arrived at the event. Whether or not I get in another update before I get home, we’ll see! Tomorrow is an early early early morning and we have to get packed up in the hotel room tonight….
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Mine would be Lady and the Tramp. Si and Am singing the Siamese Cat Song.


Mine too! We are Siamese if you please. My cousin and I would make up dances to that silly song when we were kids. Good times.



OMG Alison!!! I see the little D&B on your lap missy. Way to rub it in. What a fabulously fantastic weekend so far. Seriosuly, pixiedust dust x 10. Can't wait to read the rest.
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Alison, Everything looks like so much fun and that you were having a good time.

The bags are so cute, I always pick up one of the F&WF bags made from the previous years banners, and they are always sturdy and pretty....

The room and lounge looks wonderful and the germ killers are always a nice addition, so make sure you keep up on them...

The picture of the atrium where you say you need to remember to ask for the dinning room, I love the look on your face in the bottom corner.
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Okay, so this is a little OT from your TR, but your dinner really does look good at Carthay. IF, and that's a big bolded IF, Dan was going to take me back to DLR before our passes are up in November, should we try Carthay or do Napa?? I think i'd really miss Napa, but man does the food sound good at Carthay. What do you suggest?!
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It was nice to see a picture of both of you! The dessert you had at DTD, what was in the glass? Great pictures! Thanks for sharing. Always sad when you know you have to pack.
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Eagerly waiting for more! Thanks for sharing.
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Yum, dinner looked great. What a nice treat to have cookies waiting for you
So cute they had the milk in the ice bucket.

Mine would have to be The Little Mermaid, just loved it!
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Mine too! We are Siamese if you please. My cousin and I would make up dances to that silly song when we were kids. Good times.

OMG Alison!!! I see the little D&B on your lap missy. Way to rub it in. What a fabulously fantastic weekend so far. Seriosuly, pixiedust dust x 10. Can't wait to read the rest.
That's two votes for Lady and the Tramp! Hopefully I can squeeze in the time to get it written up. We are Sooooooo far behind now!

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Alison, Everything looks like so much fun and that you were having a good time.

The bags are so cute, I always pick up one of the F&WF bags made from the previous years banners, and they are always sturdy and pretty....

The room and lounge looks wonderful and the germ killers are always a nice addition, so make sure you keep up on them...

The picture of the atrium where you say you need to remember to ask for the dinning room, I love the look on your face in the bottom corner.
I should have cropped myself out of that picture! The previous one she took was even worse!

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Okay, so this is a little OT from your TR, but your dinner really does look good at Carthay. IF, and that's a big bolded IF, Dan was going to take me back to DLR before our passes are up in November, should we try Carthay or do Napa?? I think i'd really miss Napa, but man does the food sound good at Carthay. What do you suggest?!
If you haven't eaten at Napa, I would say Napa hands down. Carthay was nice, but a lot of people are saying it's not fine dining. It's a nice place to eat, but certainly not fine dining. The people at the table next to us were really loud and annoying, I think they really had their share of germ killer! We were so happy to see their dessert come as our biscuits and appetizers arrived.

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It was nice to see a picture of both of you! The dessert you had at DTD, what was in the glass? Great pictures! Thanks for sharing. Always sad when you know you have to pack.
It was some kind of mango jello like thing, with a custard on top. It was pretty good, but the cookies were better.

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So cute they had the milk in the ice bucket.

Mine would have to be The Little Mermaid, just loved it!
It was a great surprise! And a vote for the Little Mermaid!
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If you haven't eaten at Napa, I would say Napa hands down. Carthay was nice, but a lot of people are saying it's not fine dining. It's a nice place to eat, but certainly not fine dining. The people at the table next to us were really loud and annoying, I think they really had their share of germ killer! We were so happy to see their dessert come as our biscuits and appetizers arrived.
We've eaten at Napa but it's been about 3 years since we've been there... Maybe we should just go back there then instead of Carthay. Thanks Alison!
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We've eaten at Napa but it's been about 3 years since we've been there... Maybe we should just go back there then instead of Carthay. Thanks Alison!
I'd say do the chef's table. You can order off the menu still if you want, but if it's a Tues- Sat chances are you'll get to talk to Chef Sutton.
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Wonderful trip report Alison, I am enjoying every minute of it. You and those yummy & beautiful chocolate covered strawberries. The last time you had them at DL I went on a chocolate covered strawberry kick here at home.

Hope you have been able to get some rest since you got home. Looking forward to your next update...whenever you feel up to it. We all will be here when you are ready, please don't rush for us.

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Wonderful trip report Alison, I am enjoying every minute of it. You and those yummy & beautiful chocolate covered strawberries. The last time you had them at DL I went on a chocolate covered strawberry kick here at home.

Hope you have been able to get some rest since you got home. Looking forward to your next update...whenever you feel up to it. We all will be here when you are ready, please don't rush for us.

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No not a lot of rest, and I've been trying all week to get an update in, but there just wasn't a good place to stop until now...so here it goes my first actual update from Destination D!
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So once we got in our seats everyone was running around saying “hi” to each other. You see many of the people in the Diamond level were Sorcerer’s at the D23 Expo so they got to know each other pretty well. We knew some of them already, and rekindled some friendships. Tim O’Day was standing up front “palling” around with people, taking pictures. He seems to really enjoy the spotlight that D23 has put him in.

Soon they announced (oh and by the way, the announcer was the guy who does all the Disney recorded announcements, but he was live, so imagine the voice that says, “Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Grils please get ready for the….insert event here) for us to take our seats. The lights dimmed and they played a montage of animated clips from the last 75 years of animation (well probably some before that because they showed some “pre Snow White” clips.)





They always do these things just right because the combination of clips, music and emotions always seem to bring a tear to my eye. It was also a great way to give us a give minute little intro into what we were in store for the next two days. Steven Clark came out on to the stage to welcome us. He was very funny. He talked about how D23 “listens” to their attendees. While he and other presenters thought that the anxious looks on our faces at past Destination D events was due to the content they would be presenting, they realized that was not the case. Because the sessions had gone for three hours with a seamless transfer between presentations, ie one presenter was walking onstage as the previous one walked off stage, they thought the look in our eyes was expecting what was coming up. However they realized that we were anticipating bathroom breaks! So for this Destination-D they actually planned us 15 minute breaks in the morning and afternoon sessions so that we could “take care of business”.
He also talked about how in any good Disney feature that the characters often break out into song and a dance routine, and that Destination D was no different. And then music started playing over the speakers and dancers came out on stage, running through the aisles and started doing a dance routine.







As you can tell by my lack of pictures of the dancers, this wasn’t a highlight moment for me.

He went on to play a video of John Lasseter and the Pixar people wishing us a Happy Destination D





As our first gift of the weekend, we got notebooks with Mary Blair artwork on them.





So the first session of the weekend was

Walt Disney and the First Golden Age of Disney Animation

This session included a panel of three gentlemen who had varying degrees of association with Walt Disney. They talked about their experiences with Walt and the studios.



• Joe Hale—43-year Disney veteran who contributed his artistic talents to such films as Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty, One Hundred and One Dalmatians, and Mary Poppins.

• Burny Mattinson—Disney Legend and 50-year veteran of Disney animation who contributed his artistic talents to such “Golden Age” favorites as Sleeping Beauty, One Hundred and One Dalmatians, and The Jungle Book.

Both the men listed above worked in the studios under Walt. It was in the early 50’s that each of them were hired. Both aspired to be animators, but there were no openings so they took what they could get, A job in the mailroom. They were called “traffic boys” and for each of them this was a great opportunity because you got to meet everyone in the company. At the time there were only about 400 employees. There were only two soundstages and one was being used by Dragnet. The third soundstage was being built for 10,000 Leagues under the Sea.





At this time Disney was offering drawing classes to their employees. Anyone could attend, so they began to partake in those classes. On our tour of the studio we found that they still offer this, and really anyone can attend HR, Accounting, one does not need to work in Animation. They also mentioned that back when they started, the building that Becky Kline (the panel host) works in now housed a family of skunks underneath it!

• Ted Thomas—Son of legendary Disney animator Frank Thomas and director/writer of the acclaimed documentaries Frank and Ollie and Walt & El Grupo.

He talked about how as a kid he got to go to screenings. He thought it was fun to go to Dad’s work because there was always cool things happening. He said that he grew up thinking that everyone’s jobs had crazy people, not knowing that this was something quirky about the animators themselves.

Walt and Roy could be found walking around the buildings constantly. The Animation Building was located in the center of the studio and on the first floor were the Animators, the second floor were the directors, and the Story writers were on the top floor (I hope I got that right). So there was a natural flow downward, the story would drive the director who would drive the animators.





One day Burny remembered seeing Walt in the elevator and to be as polite as possible he said, “Good Morning Mr. Disney.”

He turned to him and said, “It’s Walt, son.”





Another one of his “jobs” was to cash a check for $300 every Friday and bring the cash back to Walt. Evidently that was his spending money for the week.

Joe had a story about Walt. He was from a small Midwestern town and was recently discharged from the service. He was not at all familiar with elevators, and one day he was in the elevator and as the doors were closing, Walt walked up to the elevator, he had no idea how to open the doors, so as they were closing, he just yelled loudly, “I’m Sooooorrrrrry!”

All projects in the studio started with Walt. It went from Walt to the story people and everything trickled down from him. Frank and Ollie would pitch ideas to him, but Walt approved and guided everything. As soon as an Idea was generated, Walt wanted pictures, once he had a few pictures he would put it into story development. This idea was that Walt was really running the studio. He was the only one driving him. See this flow chart:



Up next the feature animation films of the age
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At this point the discussion turned to the Nine Old Men. I’d always heard that phrase and was thankful that they explained it. Evidently there were Nine Judges on Roosevelt’s Supreme Court, and in response to that phrase, Walt said that he had “Nine Old Men of His own”. The thing was these guys resented it because at the time, they weren’t really old. This was mainly a PR name for the group, they were actually known as the D-Wing Animators. It worked out as a great publicity item.





The first animator they talked about was Les Clark. He started at Disney in 1927. He graduated (HS I’m guessing) on Friday and started at the studio the following Monday. He did most of the animation on the Sorcerer’s Apprentice, and a lot of the early Mickey drawings.

The next was Marc Davis. Burny was his assistant on Sleeping Beauty. From all accounts he was great to work with, a very hard working guy. Marc could have three Martinis for lunch and come back to work. Evidently they all hung out at Alphonses, at least that’s where the execs had lunch. Among many of his projects, Marc designed the characters in Bambi.

Milt Kahl was evidently a volatile soul. He could draw his way out of anything. He would get usept with a drawing, tear it up, put it in the trash, stomp on it and get his foot caught in the Trash Can! He was also willing to help out young animators, but only if they had really tried and were stumped. If you came to him for help, you needed to have put in the time, if you didn’t, he’d blow you off.



Ward Kimball was evidently THE most eccentric of all the original animators. Burney worked for him for 10 years and said he had plenty of stories, but none that he could relate at the Destination-D event.

Joe thought of one story he could relate. Now you need to know that Ward Kimball loved his trains. And Joe found him one morning sleeping on the couch in his office. It turns out that he stopped for a few drinks on the way home from work with a few friends from the studio. He came home to find his wife outside a couple blocks away from his house crying in the rain. He took her home and found the dining room table all set and realized that he had forgotten their anniversary.

Then he noticed that through the pained glass windows there were holes in the glass that resembled the shapes of his model trains. He went outside and found them in the yard, in the rain. He cleaned them up and didn’t dare go back into the house, so he went to the office and slept on the couch.

Eric Larson was deemed by all as a very nice guy. They talked about how he had mastered the feminine form. He also recognized the need to train the new generation and he stuck around and helped out the next group of animators. He was willing even in retirement to give help and pointers.

John Lansberry is someone that there are not a lot of stories about. Eric said that John could draw ANYTHING. He was a great guy and very modest. He was the kind of guy that would let his inspiration build all day, he would hang out chat with people and then for the last hour or two of the day, lock himself in his office and draw what had been building up all day.



Woolie Reitherman was also a character. He started out in story, and had an “off with their heads” type of reputation. He did the larger than life type of characters, Monstro the Whale, T-Rex in Fantasia. Eventually he moved into directing. His talent was his ability to see the overall big picture and manipulate a scene.

The last two Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston were quite the pair. They met when they were 19 while at Stanford. I think it was Oliie that was the son of an employee at Stanford and Frank went there and met him. Evidently Stanford had no art department, but they both were into art and moved to LA together to study at the art school which was partnering with the Disney studios.





They were told that if they wanted to be hired not to go in together because Disney never hired in pairs. Frank was hired in Oct of ’34 and Ollie was hired in Jan of ’35. These two were evidently amazing because they could handle more than one character at a time in a scene. Nowadays one animator does one character and sometimes only for one scene. The two of them worked on Pinnochio and Burny said that this was the film that brought him into the studio wanting to be an animator.



At this point they played a scene from Pinnochio and as much as I thought I could remember which one it was, I don’t. I think it might have been from near the beginning of the movie when he was still a wooden boy because after they played it Joe said that you could tell that the scene was animated by Ward Kimball. Pinnochio’s body turned around 360 degrees, but his head stayed fixed as he was looking a Gepetto. Joe said, that was just how Ward Kimball’s brain worked.

Peter Pan is the only film that all of the nine old men worked on.



Bambi was Joe’s all time favorite movie. In his small Midwestern town, it played nine times in three days, and he went to every showing. He was enthralled by the fact there was an animated feature about animals who could talk and that they had personalities. He wanted in on this kind of work! I’m not sure that they talked much more about this feature because I would have taken notes, but I think we just heard about Joe and how much he liked the film. They showed the clip where all the little boy animals are being flirted with by little girls in their species, and how silly they become with love in their hearts.



At this point they talked about story boarding which may have come in with Pinnochio. I’m sure most of you know what storyboarding is, where you take 4x8 cards with sketches on them to tell the story of the picture. First you break it down into scenes, then you break it down into every single movement that the character has to make in the scene. Before it even goes to the animator, every part of every movement is done as a rough sketch. Then the animation sketch is done, then that is given to the Animator who then draws the work that will be eventually submitted to the ink and paint department. A scene taken literally thousands of drawings, 24 images per second!



Burny’s first feature film was Lady and the Tramp. He was an inbetweener, that meant that he did all the animation as the scene was changing from one to another. Often it could be pans of the countryside, the city skyline or some other non character related background.



By the way the photos are of Frank Thomas, notice the familial resemblance in his son sitting on stage. After talking about the movie they showed the “spaghetti scene” and mentioned how the animation of Tony and his assistant, while not at the forefront of the scene added all the depth to the moment. Walt originally wanted to cut the scene because he wasn’t sure that dogs eating pasta could be seen as romantic. Frank Thomas disagreed and animated the entire scene by himself, to prove it could work. The hardest part of the scene was animating Tramp to push the last meatball over to Lady because there was just no way to do it without constricting his head in a unnatural way. It turns out that Frank didn’t actually watch Lady and the Tramp until three years after it was released because he didn’t like the way it came out.



On Sleeping Beauty, Burny drew Aurora in the opening scenes where she is singing, and picking berries. It took 1440 drawings to create that opening sequence, and he had to redraw the entire thing at least three different times. When the movie was finally done, all the other animators took him out to Alphonse’s (the big wigs watering hole) for lunch. They brought out a cake that read “Happy 31”, because that was the scene number of the sequence that he had to redraw so many times! They played that scene for us.





Towards the end they got a little off topic. Joe produced the Black Cauldron and this was about the time that most of the original animators were retiring and he talked about how it was difficult without a lot of experienced animators but they did pull through. He was also talking about the invention of widescreen and how difficult it made their jobs, because you had to write that many more drawings to walk your character off the screen! Becky pulled him back into the timeline though and they resumed the program.

101 Dalmations

My notes are sketchy for this one, but I have written down that Xerox technology was used on this film, but they didn’t really describe how it fit into play. For this movie they played the scene depicted below where Cruella comes over to inquire about the puppies, but is told that they are still a few weeks away.





They moved on to the Sword and the Stone, and Bernie worked on this one with Eric Larson. I think because he was his assistant on Lady and the Tramp he just “followed” Eric to the next film. Frank Thomas also worked on this film. For this clip they played the scene where the amorous squired will not give up on Merlin.



Next we moved on to the Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
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Walt was alive when all the shorts were made so when they put them all together in 1977 it wasn’t very different from the process they had been through when Walt was still alive. Burny worked on the original and the most recent Pooh movie. They went back to the old AA Milne stories and found a few that they hadn’t done yet for the most recent film. They showed his pitch of the movie. As we learned over the weekend, most of the time, the Animators, directors, story people who came up with the idea had to pitch it to someone, whether it Walt, Roy a committee. Some had elaborate pitches and some were very direct and simple.

This is the story of how Eeyore lost his tail.



This is Burny explaining about the process of storyboarding



It appears that I missed a few pictures in here, everyone gave suggestions on tails for Eeyore, and while they all had merit, they just didn’t work.



This cuckoo clock scared Eeyore so much he ran away and broke it.







Pooh decided to consult Owl because he was so wise. But he found something strangely familiar about his doorbell.





When he asked Own where he got it, Owl said that he found it in the forest.



Pooh knew that It looked strangely familiar to him. But he couldn’t remember where



Then it dawned on him.



Christopher Robin reattached the tail



And Eeyore was elated, we as elated as Eeyore gets.



They walked off into the sunset and everyone lived Happily Ever After



They wrapped up talking about the Disney Animation Studios and showed a few photos.



By this time it was 11:15AM (possibly later) and they gave us a 15 minute potty break….see you after the long lines in the women’s restroom!
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