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Old 06-06-2012, 09:01 PM   #76
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Well, many online groups have picked this story up.

The girl is certainly getting attention. It isn't of the, "Oh, poor baby" sort of attention, though. It's of the, "Grow up, you big baby" variety.

I'd feel badly for her if she and her mother hadn't brought this all on themselves.

Now she will have to face classmates.

I have the feeling she may very well begin to realize how inappropriate her behavior is.

It is unfortunate that she had to hit this point, though. Someone should have snapped her out of these tantrums before she was five years old.
wow .. not sure about where you are seeing those stories at .. but my news outlets all felt sorry for her.. and I state again, do you have a child who has reached the teen years yet? they are hormonal, they cry... I do not think this girl realized she was doing anything wrong. I don't think her parents did either. There was a mixed message sent to her by allowing her in one park and not the other. Sending mixed messages to ANY child of ANY age is not good.. it can be confusing to them. We don't know this teen, we cannot state what is major to her and what isn't. She reacted by sobbing. She didn't lash out and become violent, or curse anyone out. She sobbed.. she wanted to be Tink for a day... and there is nothing spoiled about that. She is only 15 or have you and everyone else here forgotten what a 15 year old's mind is really like. They are not adults, her body may look as if she is, but her brain doesn't function as an adult.. and legally she is not an adult... her brain is still "growing" and maturing.
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I do not understand why so many people feels she might have some special needs just because she was upset and cried. There is absolutely nothing wrong with crying at 5 and at 50 if you hurt and she is.
She is a romantic girl who wanted to do smething special for her BF and it was ruined. She did not know rule, it is not obvious rule. She was confused why she was allowed to one park and not the other. What you expect her to do, of course she got upset.
Please remember she is 15, lots of hormones. Romeo nd Juliet killed themselves at this age because of stupid hormones.
I threw in the fact that we didn't know if she did or didn't have them, we didn't know.. I did it because there are those here who would jump on anyone who dare lash out on a child of any age who "cried" with special needs..but without special needs it is ok to bash them... .... that was why I added it. We don't know if this girl did or didn't, we don't know her.. No one should be stating she is spoiled, she is a brat, she is a baby.. .. 15 year old girls cry.. point blank, just as you said.. they are hormonal regardless if they are special needs or not.. they are hormonal ........ I really didn't want this to turn into a discussion on her.. but the reason why she was allowed in one park and not the other, but I see it didn't go that road....
If the policy is that she wasn't allowed to enter, then they should not have allowed her to enter DHS. The mixed message is what screwed up her head.. and her family. I really don't think her or her family were out to break rules on purpose.. Like I stated before.. Disney should really put that rule on their pass if they want to enforce it.. I don't remember seeing it on mine. How can they expect guests to adhere to something they aren't aware of. How can they expect them to adhere to something that isn't enforced consistently too... Oh, you can here but not there.. duhhh doesn't work that way... it is either a yes or a no.. not a gray area... her mother went to the media I think because of the way she was allowed in one park and then not the other..

As far as cleavage.. there are woman who are gross looking wearing spandex showing every inch of their body and cleeavage as well, who are never stopped from wearing what looks like sports bra tank tops into the park. Saturday when I was at DHS there was one woman who must have been in her late 40's early 50's wearing all white spandex with a white shawl.. nothing else.. you were able to see her nipples!!! I was sick looking at her.. she was not stopped. she was with another woman maybe in her late 30's who was in a blue outfit (they were dressed as Star Wars Characters) that was so tight it was literally ripping on the sides and her rolls were coming out.... they pranced around..... not being stopped.... Now I am sorry, but that was a bit obscene.. your nipples showing.. YUK! white outfit.. no bra.. yuk yuk.... and she thought nothing of it.. Tink at least looked cute.. and while there was skin and cleavage.. it did leave some things to the imagination.. these women didn't....
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I threw in the fact that we didn't know if she did or didn't have them, we didn't know.. I did it because there are those here who would jump on anyone who dare lash out on a child of any age who "cried" with special needs..but without special needs it is ok to bash them... .... that was why I added it. We don't know if this girl did or didn't, we don't know her.. No one should be stating she is spoiled, she is a brat, she is a baby.. .. 15 year old girls cry.. point blank, just as you said.. they are hormonal regardless if they are special needs or not.. they are hormonal ........ I really didn't want this to turn into a discussion on her.. but the reason why she was allowed in one park and not the other, but I see it didn't go that road....
If the policy is that she wasn't allowed to enter, then they should not have allowed her to enter DHS. The mixed message is what screwed up her head.. and her family. I really don't think her or her family were out to break rules on purpose.. Like I stated before.. Disney should really put that rule on their pass if they want to enforce it.. I don't remember seeing it on mine. How can they expect guests to adhere to something they aren't aware of. How can they expect them to adhere to something that isn't enforced consistently too... Oh, you can here but not there.. duhhh doesn't work that way... it is either a yes or a no.. not a gray area... her mother went to the media I think because of the way she was allowed in one park and then not the other..

As far as cleavage.. there are woman who are gross looking wearing spandex showing every inch of their body and cleeavage as well, who are never stopped from wearing what looks like sports bra tank tops into the park. Saturday when I was at DHS there was one woman who must have been in her late 40's early 50's wearing all white spandex with a white shawl.. nothing else.. you were able to see her nipples!!! I was sick looking at her.. she was not stopped. she was with another woman maybe in her late 30's who was in a blue outfit (they were dressed as Star Wars Characters) that was so tight it was literally ripping on the sides and her rolls were coming out.... they pranced around..... not being stopped.... Now I am sorry, but that was a bit obscene.. your nipples showing.. YUK! white outfit.. no bra.. yuk yuk.... and she thought nothing of it.. Tink at least looked cute.. and while there was skin and cleavage.. it did leave some things to the imagination.. these women didn't....
I know you meant well and I agree it is not about her but about how messed situation was.
One thing for sure, they are not Disers. Otherwise they would just ask for emails to complain.
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wow .. not sure about where you are seeing those stories at .. but my news outlets all felt sorry for her.. and I state again, do you have a child who has reached the teen years yet? they are hormonal, they cry... I do not think this girl realized she was doing anything wrong. I don't think her parents did either. There was a mixed message sent to her by allowing her in one park and not the other. Sending mixed messages to ANY child of ANY age is not good.. it can be confusing to them. We don't know this teen, we cannot state what is major to her and what isn't. She reacted by sobbing. She didn't lash out and become violent, or curse anyone out. She sobbed.. she wanted to be Tink for a day... and there is nothing spoiled about that. She is only 15 or have you and everyone else here forgotten what a 15 year old's mind is really like. They are not adults, her body may look as if she is, but her brain doesn't function as an adult.. and legally she is not an adult... her brain is still "growing" and maturing.
Of course she cried because she was disappointed. People get that. What doesn't sit well with most (including the comments following the news stories, not necessarily the stories themselves) is the family feeling the need to call in the media in an attempt to villify Disney for enforcing their dress code policies (which they apparently did in a very thoughtful manner). The comments about being spoiled I think come from the fact that this girl seemed to feel that her desire "to be Tinkerbelle" was more important than Disney's desire to maintain the integrity and magic of their characters for the enjoyment of their younger guests.
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wow .. not sure about where you are seeing those stories at .. but my news outlets all felt sorry for her.. and I state again, do you have a child who has reached the teen years yet? they are hormonal, they cry... I do not think this girl realized she was doing anything wrong. I don't think her parents did either. There was a mixed message sent to her by allowing her in one park and not the other. Sending mixed messages to ANY child of ANY age is not good.. it can be confusing to them. We don't know this teen, we cannot state what is major to her and what isn't. She reacted by sobbing. She didn't lash out and become violent, or curse anyone out. She sobbed.. she wanted to be Tink for a day... and there is nothing spoiled about that. She is only 15 or have you and everyone else here forgotten what a 15 year old's mind is really like. They are not adults, her body may look as if she is, but her brain doesn't function as an adult.. and legally she is not an adult... her brain is still "growing" and maturing.
Yes, I raised children. Yes, they were all teens at one point.

No, they didn't sob like babies on television when they we're disappointed.

And NONE of them whined about not being able to play dress-up in the Disney parks...though one did buy a stupid hat and wear it around. We teased him about it. He looked ridiculous.

My kids were done with temper tantrums by the time they were three and a half, unless they were very tired. By age five, they were totally done.

If I'd had a teen who whined and blubbered because she couldn't wear her costume, I'd have realized that she was far too spoiled and would quickly have set about the business of correcting that.

I'd NEVER have called the TV news, lol. The mother must be as ridiculous as her daughter...which explains why we have a teen crying on tv, "...but they ruined my dream because i just wanted to be Tinkerbell...I just Didn't want to take off the costume."

Perhaps the people you encounter all felt sorry for her, but if you check out the comments on the various sites that picked this up, you'll see plenty of people saying much worse things than were said here.
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I know you meant well and I agree it is not about her but about how messed situation was.
One thing for sure, they are not Disers. Otherwise they would just ask for emails to complain.
beside the fact, if they were.. they obviously would have not to allow their 15 year old to go dressed as Tink as they would have known it wasn't allowed..
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I don't think anyone is saying she didn't have the right to be upset, or that she knowingly broke the rules. We're saying that going to the news (whether the parent called or she called, it was still her words) and crying that her dreams were crushed and she just wanted to be Tinkerbell. Had she gone on straightfaced and said "I wish they would make that rule more public and I was disappointed" or "I was allowed in at one park but not another" it would be a whole nother story and darn near guarenteed not made the news. It's simply the fact that she's being a crybaby with a crappy argument.
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Yes, I raised children. Yes, they were all teens at one point.

No, they didn't sob like babies on television when they we're disappointed.

And NONE of them whined about not being able to play dress-up in the Disney parks...though one did buy a stupid hat and wear it around. We teased him about it. He looked ridiculous.

My kids were done with temper tantrums by the time they were three and a half, unless they were very tired. By age five, they were totally done.

If I'd had a teen who whined and blubbered because she couldn't wear her costume, I'd have realized that she was far too spoiled and would quickly have set about the business of correcting that.

I'd NEVER have called the TV news, lol. The mother must be as ridiculous as her daughter...which explains why we have a teen crying on tv, "...but they ruined my dream because i just wanted to be Tinkerbell...I just Didn't want to take off the costume."

Perhaps the people you encounter all felt sorry for her, but if you check out the comments on the various sites that picked this up, you'll see plenty of people saying much worse things than were said here.
I don't think the mom called for the fact her DD couldn't wear the outfit, I think she called more because she was allowed in one park and not the other.. and you admit.. teens do strange things at times... She wasn't blubbering, she sobbed.. she wasn't outright bawling.. there were tears and sobs in between her words because she was clearly hurt. Teens are emotional, very emotional at times. I work with 6th-12th graders and I see first hand how some cry over silly things.. like their best friend (all of 3 weeks) is no longer their best friend or their boyfriend broke up with them.. and they were only dating 2 weeks yep, I have seen many a crying... even seen some crying because they did not want to get into an argument with another for a fear of being written up and suspended.. emotions are a powerful thing that sometimes one cannot control. Not everyone is in 100% control of their emotions.. just because there is a sob, doesn't mean they are spoiled, they are a brat or that they are blubbering.. If you do any research on emotions and kids, telling a child to stop crying when over something they feel has hurt them is damaging...It is saying big kids don't cry.. and that is the furthest from the truth.. they do! I have heard people say not to cry over the death of a pet...they will get over it.. no, you just don't do that... She was clearly upset.. and there is nothing wrong with it.. 15 is still the brain of a child.. not an adult.
Personally as her mother, I would not have ran to the media, but I would have been upset that she was allowed in one park and not the other. I would have written to Guest Services asking why there is not consistency in their policy and this situation would have been avoided had there been.. I also would have told them had they made their policy more clear on the tickets, it would also help to avoid a situation such as this.. but I don't think I would really have gone to the media.. Maybe by her going to the media, it will help get the word out about their policy. Not all know about it. We here do because we talk on these boards.. those that don't come on here probably don't. Think about how many people come on here and are amazed at the people who do not even know about FP.. and that is all over the park.. We are discussing a policy that isn't advertised, isn't well spelled out.. except at Halloween time... A little bit of prevention could have warded all of this off.. just clearly state the policy.. and be consistent... As a mom, that is what she may have been shooting for. Wouldn't you if something devastated your child? Regardless how you you feel about the situation, this mom felt it hurt her child.. and as a mom, she is reaching out to help her.. as any mom would...
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I don't think anyone is saying she didn't have the right to be upset, or that she knowingly broke the rules. We're saying that going to the news (whether the parent called or she called, it was still her words) and crying that her dreams were crushed and she just wanted to be Tinkerbell. Had she gone on straightfaced and said "I wish they would make that rule more public and I was disappointed" or "I was allowed in at one park but not another" it would be a whole nother story and darn near guarenteed not made the news. It's simply the fact that she's being a crybaby with a crappy argument.
you don't think anyone on here is really saying she didn't have a right to be upset.. calling her names, spoiled, brat crybaby.. that right there shows people are saying that she didn't have a right...

I highly doubt that she went to the media, the media would never take a story from a child of the age of 15... she is still a child regardless of the body she has in that Tink outfit.....It had to be her mom, so you cannot fault her for that at all. Her mom went on her behalf. Maybe to spread the word about the policy who knows... maybe to get answers as to why no consistency.. again, who knows...

You are correct, had she gone straight faced and stated that maybe they make the rules more public and she would not have been so upset, her message may have come across better.. but that is where the fact that she is only 15 comes in. She may look older, but she is really just a 15 year old teenager.. ..and one who was upset. I wonder if she didn't have the body she has, would some here look at her differently crying... I think her body plays into the fact that many are calling her names.. If she was a smaller framed, thin child.. she would be allowed to cry since she would look like a "kid" but since her body appears to look like a young woman's, she has to act like a young woman... amazing what the psyche does to one....
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I don't think the mom called for the fact her DD couldn't wear the outfit, I think she called more because she was allowed in one park and not the other.. and you admit.. teens do strange things at times... She wasn't blubbering, she sobbed.. she wasn't outright bawling.. there were tears and sobs in between her words because she was clearly hurt. Teens are emotional, very emotional at times. I work with 6th-12th graders and I see first hand how some cry over silly things.. like their best friend (all of 3 weeks) is no longer their best friend or their boyfriend broke up with them.. and they were only dating 2 weeks yep, I have seen many a crying... even seen some crying because they did not want to get into an argument with another for a fear of being written up and suspended.. emotions are a powerful thing that sometimes one cannot control. Not everyone is in 100% control of their emotions.. just because there is a sob, doesn't mean they are spoiled, they are a brat or that they are blubbering.. If you do any research on emotions and kids, telling a child to stop crying when over something they feel has hurt them is damaging...It is saying big kids don't cry.. and that is the furthest from the truth.. they do! I have heard people say not to cry over the death of a pet...they will get over it.. no, you just don't do that... She was clearly upset.. and there is nothing wrong with it.. 15 is still the brain of a child.. not an adult.
Personally as her mother, I would not have ran to the media, but I would have been upset that she was allowed in one park and not the other. I would have written to Guest Services asking why there is not consistency in their policy and this situation would have been avoided had there been.. I also would have told them had they made their policy more clear on the tickets, it would also help to avoid a situation such as this.. but I don't think I would really have gone to the media.. Maybe by her going to the media, it will help get the word out about their policy. Not all know about it. We here do because we talk on these boards.. those that don't come on here probably don't. Think about how many people come on here and are amazed at the people who do not even know about FP.. and that is all over the park.. We are discussing a policy that isn't advertised, isn't well spelled out.. except at Halloween time... A little bit of prevention could have warded all of this off.. just clearly state the policy.. and be consistent... As a mom, that is what she may have been shooting for. Wouldn't you if something devastated your child? Regardless how you you feel about the situation, this mom felt it hurt her child.. and as a mom, she is reaching out to help her.. as any mom would...
No, lol, as I already said, I wouldn't.

"Any mom" does not call the TV news because her fifteen year old cries when she can't, "be Tinkerbell.". That is not how rational people deal with that sort of thing. Even most irrational people wouldn't do that.

Nobody calls the media when their kids don't get to do what they want. Except this nutcase mom.
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No, lol, as I already said, I wouldn't.

"Any mom" does not call the TV news because her fifteen year old cries when she can't, "be Tinkerbell.". That is not how rational people deal with that sort of thing. Even most irrational people wouldn't do that.

Nobody calls the media when their kids don't get to do what they want. Except this nutcase mom.
I am not saying her mom called because her DD could not be Tink per say..I think she called because her DD was hurt.. she was hurt because she didn't understand why she couldn't remain in her Tink costume.. she was allowed in one park and not the other.. there was no warning on the ticket, no stopping her at DHS.. not that she could not be Tink.. but that she was allowed prior and then told it in a different theme park....This is even stated that they were allowed in one and not the other.. and didn't understand why.... totally different reason for calling attention to what happened..not just because she couldn't wear her outfit.....I don't think you are getting what I am saying, or just choosing not to.. I can't figure out which it is.... Mom didn't call the media because her DD didn't get what she wanted.. she called because one park allowed it and the other didn't.. without warning.. Not a nutcase mom...
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If this were my child I would tell her suck it up Buttercup, if this is the worst thing that happens to you at 15 your doing pretty good. Wonder if she'll slit her wrists when her bf comes out.
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I am not saying her mom called because her DD could not be Tink per say..I think she called because her DD was hurt.. she was hurt because she didn't understand why she couldn't remain in her Tink costume.. she was allowed in one park and not the other.. there was no warning on the ticket, no stopping her at DHS.. not that she could not be Tink.. but that she was allowed prior and then told it in a different theme park....This is even stated that they were allowed in one and not the other.. and didn't understand why.... totally different reason for calling attention to what happened..not just because she couldn't wear her outfit.....I don't think you are getting what I am saying, or just choosing not to.. I can't figure out which it is.... Mom didn't call the media because her DD didn't get what she wanted.. she called because one park allowed it and the other didn't.. without warning.. Not a nutcase mom...
I think she's a nut. We will have to just disagree on that.

But she does her dd no favors in encouraging this behavior.
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I think she's a nut. We will have to just disagree on that.

But she does her dd no favors in encouraging this behavior.
you're right, we are entitled to our own opinions... like I said, I don't think I would have gone to the media, but I would have written to Guest Services asking them why their policy was not clearly stated for all to see prior to entering a park... not everyone gets their tickets online...
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That video is awful. Really? She wanted to be Tinker Bell?! I hate entitlement in today's society.

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