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Old 03-07-2012, 04:40 PM   #16
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Once you qualified, did you have to continue to declare your assets, or just your income?
I don't remember exactly. I do remember I had to go every 3 months to redo the paperwork, so I would say yes, I had to redo everything. Papers asked for make and model of your car, do you own a home, do you have a retirement benefit, do you have assests in the bank, farm equipment etc. It was very detailed as I recall.

I only requalifed once, after 6 months the kids and I were in a better place and cs was finally coming in. I hate to give any more specifics since I am old and its been a loooong time ago. I do know that I was specifically told if circumstances change at any time during that time frame of 3 months, oh say I sold my house and profited from it, I had to let them know within 3 working days or something like that. If winning 1mil in Michigan is not enough to change your circumstances, I don't know what it. How can it not be consdered 'income' whether she is working or not. She has to file taxes since she PAID taxes correct? Sounds like anyone in MI who is making a mil or less in income deserves a food stamp card at this point. I can't imagine this whole thing is the correct and honest way it is done.

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Old 03-07-2012, 04:50 PM   #17
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Where's she getting money for lottery tickets?
Since she was getting government money at the time then the winnings should be taken by the government. I think that once people are off welfare/food stamps/WIC then they should start having to pay back a small amount at a time until all the handouts that you got are paid back!
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:36 PM   #18
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I guess they didn't get the law changed quick enough to stop this from happening again.

It happened a few months ago with a man who also won the lottery. I don't remember how many millions he won, if it was just one, two, three, or a lot. But he still collected his weekly food stamps. They had him on the news a couple of times. People were outraged that this could happen, and they said they were going to fix it so it wouldn't happen again.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:10 PM   #19
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I guess they didn't get the law changed quick enough to stop this from happening again.

It happened a few months ago with a man who also won the lottery. I don't remember how many millions he won, if it was just one, two, three, or a lot. But he still collected his weekly food stamps. They had him on the news a couple of times. People were outraged that this could happen, and they said they were going to fix it so it wouldn't happen again.


Leroy Fick hit the jackpot.

The Michigan man won $2 million in the state lottery's "Make Me Rich" contest last June.

With the $850,000 he took home after taxes, Fick, 59, used his winnings to purchase a new home and a used Audi convertible. But to buy groceries, this lottery winner is still using his Bridge Card, Michigan's version of food stamps.

How can a man who won millions in the lottery still use food stamps? His lawyer says it is perfectly legal.

"He's not trying to cheat the state," said Fick's attorney, John Wilson. "Based on his income, he's eligible."

In fact, Fick said he contacted Michigan's Department of Human Services after his lottery win to ask if he could still use his Bridge Card.

"They said I could go ahead and keep the Bridge Card if I wanted to," said Fick.

So, he did.


See more here............http://abcnews.go.com/Business/2m-mi...6#.T1gFyFHWwvs
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:34 PM   #20
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What a stupid jerk she is. I hope that she is charged with fraud and has to pay it back plus some.

You know it never ceases to amaze me people on foodstamps can't afford the basic necessities of life , but can always find money for cigerets, alcohol , and lottery tickets. And yet they don't have the means to buy gas for a car let alone get a car to find a job.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:42 PM   #21
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Here is what isn't clear to me: let's say you have a newly single mom with three kids. Let's pretend her husband up and leaves and doesn't pay child support for the kids, or it isn't started yet, or what have you. If she was a stay at home mom and has no income, should it matter that she is living in a nice house with a nice car? Do you have to sell down a certain amount of assets before you can qualify? Because if it is based only on INCOME, that would cover a lot more than just lottery winners. It would cover a lot of upper-middle-class people as well. Even a layoff in a family where the dad was still at home might result in no income whatsoever, but they'd still have assets in the house, cars, etc. Right now my dh is technically "unemployed" but we are not hurting financially. Rest assured that we will not be filing for food stamps!
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:09 AM   #22
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Disgusting human being. And the other guy that was on the news for the same thing a few months ago. I am a big fan of karma, and they have got some coming.

This girl is obviously going to be broke again, she has no sense at all. I hope by then the law has changed, and her previous lottery income prevents her from getting anything.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:50 AM   #23
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I can only assume that you don't realize that lottery tickets only cost one dollar. I'll not get fired up because someone on assistance spends one unnecessary dollar.
Well I had the same thought Kaytieeldr did and I WILL get fired up about it. As pointed out by a PP, many, many lotto players (most) seem to buy a lot more than one ticket at a time. And, honestly, even one ticket, is too much IMO if someone cannot afford to buy their own food. If tax payers are paying for your food you have no business gambling with the money you do have. Even with one dollar.

The example in the OP and the other man who won big and kept his bridge card really anger me. People abusing the system (and there are far too many) cost everyone else a small fortune and make it so much harder to keep the help there for those who truly need it
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:49 AM   #24
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I can only assume that you don't realize that lottery tickets only cost one dollar. I'll not get fired up because someone on assistance spends one unnecessary dollar.
Oh, no. I'm from Massachusetts. We've had "The Lottery" (not to be confused with the intriguing yet disturbing Shirley Jackson short story) here almost 40 years.

While it's possible she only ever bought this one ticket in her life and got extremely lucky, that scenario seems unlikely.
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Part of the food stamp application/requalification process in Michigan is an asset test. One car (up to a point, IIRC) and your primary residence are exempt. Cash/bank accounts and second vehicles/homes are not. But that's a recent change; up until late last year it was based solely on income and one time "windfall" income didn't effect eligibility because of the way change reporting rules are written (for good reason - no sense in closing millions of cases at tax return time only to reopen them a month or two later).

Most likely this woman had her last recertification under the old rules. The asset test has only been in place 3 or 4 months and cases are reviewed every 6 months. The article only said that she won "in the fall" so it is very likely that she hasn't yet had that semi-annual contact form show up in her mail box. When her case came up for that review it would have been closed unless she's going to considerable lengths to hide those assets under other names/social security numbers. But until then her case would remain open.

As far as the rest goes, I can't begrudge someone living in the dismal circumstances that it takes to receive public assistance a small entertainment expense. We don't know how many tickets she bought; I've known a lot of struggling families who spend a dollar a week on a lotto ticket because it is a glimmer of hope in a life largely lacking that. When you can't afford cable or going to the movies or home internet access, much less real recreation like museums, vacations, and such, those little things become a big part of what keeps you plugging along.

And yes, the right thing to do would be to report the income and insist your case be closed, but at the same time the odds against this specific set of circumstances are so slim that legislation and the proposed new cross-checking system to prevent it will likely cost the taxpayers far more than the food stamps provided to lotto winners.
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Those of you who are saying you hope she is charged with fraud, did you even watch the video? It clearly states that what she is doing is not illegal. How can she be charged with something if she isn't committing it?

Why would you comment on a thread without first gathering all the information that it presents?
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Those of you who are saying you hope she is charged with fraud, did you even watch the video? It clearly states that what she is doing is not illegal. How can she be charged with something if she isn't committing it?

Why would you comment on a thread without first gathering all the information that it presents?
Because it's more fun to judge people harshly without dealing in facts. Especially if they're poor-because as we all know, if you're poor you've committed some sin that is causing your poverty. You are deserving of only enough food to sustain you while you engage in hard labor.

I'm way more upset about the myriad instances of corporate fraud against the taxpayers that are actually illegal-yet those people get by with a slap on the wrist. (if that) Or worse yet, a pat on the back for being smart enough to "work the system" and grow rich.

What she was doing was NOT illegal. Now that it is known that this loophole exists, let's fix it so it doesn't happen again. And after we're done with that, let's get to work closing some of those other loopholes that allow millions of dollars in what should be taxable income from corporations and individuals to be hidden away.
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Because it's more fun to judge people harshly without dealing in facts. Especially if they're poor-because as we all know, if you're poor you've committed some sin that is causing your poverty. You are deserving of only enough food to sustain you while you engage in hard labor.

I'm way more upset about the myriad instances of corporate fraud against the taxpayers that are actually illegal-yet those people get by with a slap on the wrist. (if that) Or worse yet, a pat on the back for being smart enough to "work the system" and grow rich.

What she was doing was NOT illegal. Now that it is known that this loophole exists, let's fix it so it doesn't happen again. And after we're done with that, let's get to work closing some of those other loopholes that allow millions of dollars in what should be taxable income from corporations and individuals to be hidden away.
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exactly....probably the "cash" side of the food stamp card.

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really? She only bought one in her lifetime and WOW it won!

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I don't remember exactly. I do remember I had to go every 3 months to redo the paperwork, so I would say yes, I had to redo everything. Papers asked for make and model of your car, do you own a home, do you have a retirement benefit, do you have assests in the bank, farm equipment etc. It was very detailed as I recall.

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did they actually CHECK or did you fill out and they assumed it was all correct? I wonder if the state goes through and checks everything.....

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Those of you who are saying you hope she is charged with fraud, did you even watch the video? It clearly states that what she is doing is not illegal. How can she be charged with something if she isn't committing it?

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I watched the video ...it may not be ILLEGAL but ETHICAL? come on...she knows...
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good!!
hope they do find criminally....since she was required to notify them within 10 days of asset or income changes....
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