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Old 01-07-2015, 06:19 PM   #1
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Measles Discussion (from the DL Measles discussion)

This is what happens when people don't get vaccinations.



(Note that the first 14 posts of this thread came from the Disneyland board discussion for measles at Disneyland. These posts are general in nature, and so given their own thread. If you would like to discuss measles at Disneyland, here is the link for that thread: Measles - Disneyland in December 2014 ~ Mary Jo)





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Old 01-07-2015, 06:23 PM   #2
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This is what happens when people don't get vaccinations.
No kidding. 4/7 did not get their vaccinations when they could have.
Yeah, vaccinations aren't 100%, but anti-vaccinators are bringing back diseases we wiped out years ago.
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Old 01-07-2015, 06:29 PM   #3
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This is what happens when people don't get vaccinations.
I feel the worst for the 8mos old. They are unable to get the vaccine until 12-15 mos, so they need "herd immunity".

And if it is Rubella, incubation is 2-3 weeks, but "regular" measles, incubation is 10-12 days.

Glad everyone we were with has had their vax.
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I feel the worst for the 8mos old. They are unable to get the vaccine until 12-15 mos, so they need "herd immunity".

And if it is Rubella, incubation is 2-3 weeks, but "regular" measles, incubation is 10-12 days.

Glad everyone we were with has had their vax.
That poor baby. Terrible. My husband had measles and mumps at the same time when he was two, before there were vaccinations for these things. He almost died.
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:01 PM   #5
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Part of the problem is probably with locals - several areas of California, particularly wealthy ones, have lower vaccination rates than third world countries.

That being said, it's entirely possible as an adult to need a booster. I was checked before my last pregnancy, and it turns out I needed a measles booster (because it's a live vaccine, it cannot be given to pregnant women and to contract it during pregnancy is catastrophic.) I would argue that California in general is somewhere to be cautious about if you're not UTD on your vaccinations or too young to get them.
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:39 PM   #6
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Part of the problem is probably with locals - several areas of California, particularly wealthy ones, have lower vaccination rates than third world countries.
Omg that is just not true. America is the most vaccinated country on the planet. And those of us who abstain make up a whopping 1% of the US.

Most outbreaks are in fully vaccinated populations. Over half of those who got measles in this one were vaccinated. That means the vaccines don't work as expected.

And those that got it will now have true, lifelong immunity. Those who are women who will have children and nurse them will pass along immunity through their milk that protects the babies for about 15 months. It's also been shown that going though measles, which used to be a totally normal thing, then protects the body from other immune system problems in the future.


There will always be people who cannot get the shots or who do not respond to them. If you've ever read the package inserts and found the ingredients, you will see that there are many who cannot receive them for medical reasons.

And anyone on a high dose of steroids, like those who have received a transplant, will never mount an immune response no matter how many shots they get. My best friend is a case in point. She has received multiple shots and they actually check her titers, and she has none. The immunosuppressives suppress her immune system and the shots are useless even if you believe them to be otherwise useful. So you will NEVER achieve a population that has had all shots or who all respond to them, no matter what.
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:58 PM   #7
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Omg that is just not true. America is the most vaccinated country on the planet. And those of us who abstain make up a whopping 1% of the US.

Most outbreaks are in fully vaccinated populations. Over half of those who got measles in this one were vaccinated. That means the vaccines don't work as expected.

And those that got it will now have true, lifelong immunity. Those who are women who will have children and nurse them will pass along immunity through their milk that protects the babies for about 15 months. It's also been shown that going though measles, which used to be a totally normal thing, then protects the body from other immune system problems in the future.


There will always be people who cannot get the shots or who do not respond to them. If you've ever read the package inserts and found the ingredients, you will see that there are many who cannot receive them for medical reasons.

And anyone on a high dose of steroids, like those who have received a transplant, will never mount an immune response no matter how many shots they get. My best friend is a case in point. She has received multiple shots and they actually check her titers, and she has none. The immunosuppressives suppress her immune system and the shots are useless even if you believe them to be otherwise useful. So you will NEVER achieve a population that has had all shots or who all respond to them, no matter what.


But any outbreak would be minimized by having even fewer unvaccinated people in the population at large.

Of course there are some people who cannot be vaccinated. And those few chinks in the armor that we allow as a society should be reserved for the "can't" people instead of the "won't" people.

Every single "won't" who picked it up and went back out into the population exposed even more "can't" people. For all we know, that entire southern CA outbreak could have been caused by a "won't".
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Omg that is just not true. America is the most vaccinated country on the planet. And those of us who abstain make up a whopping 1% of the US.

Most outbreaks are in fully vaccinated populations. Over half of those who got measles in this one were vaccinated. That means the vaccines don't work as expected.

And those that got it will now have true, lifelong immunity. Those who are women who will have children and nurse them will pass along immunity through their milk that protects the babies for about 15 months. It's also been shown that going though measles, which used to be a totally normal thing, then protects the body from other immune system problems in the future.


There will always be people who cannot get the shots or who do not respond to them. If you've ever read the package inserts and found the ingredients, you will see that there are many who cannot receive them for medical reasons.

And anyone on a high dose of steroids, like those who have received a transplant, will never mount an immune response no matter how many shots they get. My best friend is a case in point. She has received multiple shots and they actually check her titers, and she has none. The immunosuppressives suppress her immune system and the shots are useless even if you believe them to be otherwise useful. So you will NEVER achieve a population that has had all shots or who all respond to them, no matter what.
While less than third world countries is a bit of hyperbole, there was just a study released by Kaiser showing vaccination rates, and there were two communities in the bay area that were absurdly high.

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One cluster is in the East Bay communities of El Cerrito, Berkeley, Oakland and Alameda, where parents rejected vaccines for 10.2 percent of children. The second was in the northern part of San Francisco, as well as Marin County and the southwestern part of Sonoma County, with a 6.6 percent rate of vaccine refusal.
Here's a link to the full article from the contra costa times. http://www.contracostatimes.com/news...urce=inthenews

Unfortunately even with Science proving a lot of the myths about vaccinations to be unfounded, a lot of people now still believe that vaccines contribute to Autism among many other things. I understand not vaccinating if a child has a compromised immune system, and therefore can't be, but to not vaccinate cause Jenny McCarthy says it's bad, or you read a facebook article linked by a friend whose a brother of a sister of a cousin of a nephew who did a study that purposely skewed the numbers and didn't have it peer reviewed is dangerous.
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Omg that is just not true. America is the most vaccinated country on the planet. And those of us who abstain make up a whopping 1% of the US.
Nope - you can also check the numbers on the CDC website, and nowhere is there a 99% vaccination rate, unfortunately:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...sudans/380252/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahael...sles-outbreak/

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Most outbreaks are in fully vaccinated populations. Over half of those who got measles in this one were vaccinated. That means the vaccines don't work as expected.
Nope.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-9991244.html

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And those that got it will now have true, lifelong immunity. Those who are women who will have children and nurse them will pass along immunity through their milk that protects the babies for about 15 months. It's also been shown that going though measles, which used to be a totally normal thing, then protects the body from other immune system problems in the future.
Again, no. Your baby will inherit some immunity through the mother's placenta, and those fade by about 6 months. Breastfeeding is fabulous, but does not confer all of the mother's immunity.
Specific to measles: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8886155

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There will always be people who cannot get the shots or who do not respond to them. If you've ever read the package inserts and found the ingredients, you will see that there are many who cannot receive them for medical reasons.

And anyone on a high dose of steroids, like those who have received a transplant, will never mount an immune response no matter how many shots they get. My best friend is a case in point. She has received multiple shots and they actually check her titers, and she has none. The immunosuppressives suppress her immune system and the shots are useless even if you believe them to be otherwise useful. So you will NEVER achieve a population that has had all shots or who all respond to them, no matter what.
Correct. These people require herd immunity to stay safe, which is why it's so important for everyone who is medically able to be vaccinated, to get vaccinated. I know several people whose children were unable to be vaccinated (or had to wait until after certain procedures), and had to rely on others vaccinating their children on schedule to protect their children who were medically fragile.
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If you aren't able to provide shot records or an immunity test you are also forced to paid leave.

This is the right thing to do.
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This is what happens when people don't get vaccinations.
Yes, it's a shame. I am majoring in public health and we were just discussing this in one of my classes last night. There has been a huge increase in the number of measles cases over the last few years and most likely because people are not being vaccinated. People think that since diseases like measles and polio aren't around that there's no need for vaccination when really, it's the vaccinations that have kept it away... the disease is still out there! We were at Disneyland on Dec. 6th and Jan 5th, luckily we've all been vaccinated but I know some cases have been with people that have been vaccinated so that's kind of scary.
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'And those that got it will now have true, lifelong immunity. Those who are women who will have children and nurse them will pass along immunity through their milk that protects the babies for about 15 months. It's also been shown that going though measles, which used to be a totally normal thing, then protects the body from other immune system problems in the future.'

Sounds as though you believe that the way to prevent measles is to get the disease.

And that 'totally normal thing' is MISERABLE. You might also want to check out the other illnesses that measles can cause, such as pneumonia, bronchitis, etc. They aren't pleasant, either.

Why anyone would not want to spare their children this disease is beyond me.

I completely understand that some people 'cannot' take the vaccine--my heart goes out to them. But I will do my part to PROTECT THEM, by making sure that all my family members get the vaccine.
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'And those that got it will now have true, lifelong immunity. Those who are women who will have children and nurse them will pass along immunity through their milk that protects the babies for about 15 months. It's also been shown that going though measles, which used to be a totally normal thing, then protects the body from other immune system problems in the future.'

Sounds as though you believe that the way to prevent measles is to get the disease.

And that 'totally normal thing' is MISERABLE. You might also want to check out the other illnesses that measles can cause, such as pneumonia, bronchitis, etc. They aren't pleasant, either.

Why anyone would not want to spare their children this disease is beyond me.

I completely understand that some people 'cannot' take the vaccine--my heart goes out to them. But I will do my part to PROTECT THEM, by making sure that all my family members get the vaccine.
I agree with this. Why anyone would want their child to go through an illness like this to gain immunity when there's a vaccine readily available is just asinine.
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Why anyone would not want to spare their children this disease is beyond me.

I completely understand that some people 'cannot' take the vaccine--my heart goes out to them. But I will do my part to PROTECT THEM, by making sure that all my family members get the vaccine.
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My husband and I are heading for Disneyland this week. I have been trying to do some research on the likelihood of contracting the measles. This is what I read in a Medical Journal site. ( take it or leave it and do your own research)

If you were born before 1957 (both my husband and I), they only had the dead strain of the virus. They recommend people born before 1957 to have a blood test to see if you have antibodies and if not to get the booster shots.

If you were born after 1957, you might have been given the dead or live strain. You probably should check to see if you got the dead strain through a blood test and decide if you need or want a booster.

I am not a doctor, just trying to find information. If you have better info, please let us know. ( but don't attack me please, I am just trying to give what info I found.
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