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Old 11-10-2011, 05:36 PM   #136
meggiebeth
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Hi fromscratchmom! Sorry for not replying sooner... been really busy. I put the replies in red this time.

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I don't think very many people here cook shepherd's pie, but I can't be the only one. I got it from an American cookbook when I was only about 20 years old, the first time I cooked it. I should get on the Jamie Oliver website and ask on the forums about the difference between cottage pie and shepherd's pie. All those foodies on there will be sure to have something to say about that.

We actually had shepherd's pie tonight. It is a very filling dish for sure! So much better than the readymade meals the supermarkets sell. I didn't even know there was a Jamie Oliver website- but he actually lives very near to us... about 10 minutes away. He also went to the school I attend- although he apparently hated it! His parents own a pub about 5 minutes away from us- and my cousin did work experience for them. She was lucky enough to get to go to his big house and his vegetable gardens.

I don't usually like American meatloaf even though I do like meat. I used to have a recipe that made a good one, but I found out that one of the pre-packaged ingredients that I used in it contained msg, so I stopped making it. I have found that I can improve most meatloaf recipes a little by making certain changes to them based on some of the force meats found in French cooking. But it hardly seems worth it since no one in my house was really into meatloaf to begin with.

A shame you had to give up meatloaf. I have only seen photographs of it and it looks disgusting... to me anyway! Isn't MSG an addictive? Apart from that I don't know much else about it. At least none of you liked meatloaf enough to miss it. There's nothing worse than having to give up what you love!

I've heard of quorn and seen it, several years ago. You might have to go somewhere other than a regular grocery store to get it here. We have lots of little stores that people call "health food stores" that tend to sell more things like vitamin supplements, organic foods, gluten-free foods, and more foods especially for vegetarians than most of the large chain grocery stores.

That is very surprising- here Quorn is a lot more popular than tofu. Quorn actually is meant to look and taste like meat- which is why I guess it is so popular. The texture of tofu is like eating rubber. And I actually like the smell and taste of meat, so Quorn is great for me. Sometimes I wish I could eat meat, but... the thought that I'm eating animals grosses me out. Lol.

I might of even tried quorn back then but I couldn't eat it now since now I know about gluten and that it contributes to the health problems that I've had. That is sort of the barrier for me to vegetarianism. So it is a good thing that meat doesn't bother me. With all my food allergies, I'd almost starve. I know quite a few vegetarians through my food coop and the majority of them rely pretty heavily on foods that I avoid.

That must be really hard for you being limited in what you can eat. I think being allergic to gluten and having lactose intolerance are some of the 'harder' allergies to live with, considering gluten and dairy are in SO many different foods! To be honest- meat is better than quorn, so you aren't missing much. Quorn is only an imitation of meat and so obviously will not taste like it. Meat has a far richer taste. So at least you can eat meat!

I guess even without my food allergies and my gluten problem, I would still not eat a lot those "substitute" foods though because I've been trying to move my family towards a more whole foods diet, believing that (for the most part) the less processed foods are the more likely they are to be truly nourishing and not have any "side effects" or cause any new food allergies to develop. Although right now I'm doing a juice fast so I am sort of temporarily a vegan.

I agree, things like wholemeal bread, meats and even nuts are very healthy for you- and simply must be better than subsitutes like quorn and tofu. What is a juice fast? Lol. Is being a vegan hard? I have always thought it must be, having to avoid so many foods.

Do you like just eating veggies? I don't mean being a vegetarian, I mean did you like your veggies before that and everything... like just a side of a simply cooked vegetable? I've always been a veggie eater and I still am. Yesterday, I cheated on my juice fast and ate a salad at lunch and a bunch of steamed broccoli and cauliflower at dinner. But that's OK. It's not about doing it perfectly. It is just about giving my body a big boost of the micro-nutrients that come in fresh fruits and vegetables.

[COLOR="red]I don't love vegetables, but I do really like some of them, like petit pois, sugar snap peas, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, etc. I couldn't make a meal out of a salad or anything... I would still be really hungry afterwards. Sounds like you're a big food lover! That's a good thing... I wish I was... but maybe I'll change into one when I get older. By juice fast- do you mean literally just drinking juice all day? That must make you starving! If I don't eat anything by 10am, I usually feel nausious. Lol.[/COLOR]

I have been teaching the girls to cook since they were very small. (And my son knows how to cook too.) We have a class here in schools, well we had it when I was younger, called home-economics, which taught what I would guess British schools must teach in food-tech. And I'm definitely getting my kids to know much more than that in our home kitchen.

That's great that you do that! I always baked with my grandmother when I was younger... and it's one of the things I remember well. Oh yes- that is exactly the same as food tech. My parents did it when it was called 'home economics'. Now it's just 'food technology'. That's great you're giving them skills like that for later life. I'm sure they must enjoy it too, if they take after you!

I couldn't teach them certain "extra" subjects simply because they might be things I don't know. A lot of American homeschoolers get around that by participating in homeschooling coops where each parent teaches a class to the kids in the coop for one afternoon a week or some similar schedule; with all the parents in a large group together they can cover lots of different subjects. Some do it by enrolling in classes part time and some do it by buying a curriculum and the parents and children learning it together. My husband is teaching my girls some advanced computer stuff. My children and I all do Spanish together through a computer curriculum and I hope some day to enroll us in a group thing to get to practice it and maybe do some travel in Spanish speaking countries. My mom taught my daughters to knit before she passed away. My son was interested in wood-working and after he finished up high-school, I got him an apprenticeship with a cabinet maker to learn some of that. So... almost all things are do-able one way or another.

I can see how extra subjects would be difficult for you to teach. For 'resistant materials' you would need a work bench, saws, drills and machines of all kinds! It sounds like your son would have really enjoyed resistant materials if he were in the UK. I hated it personally- all of that 'building' stuff! That's great! Is your son a cabinet maker now, or something like it? Awww, my grandmother taught me to knit too. That's a good idea- about how homeschool parents get together and teach the kids different subjects. And I'm sure your husband teaches your kids for computer stuff than my ICT class at school! Is that what you call it... ICT? So you all speak Spanish relatively well? I have never had the opportunity to learn it. I have have learnt French for 3 years, Italian for 1 year and German for 1 year. German is a very difficult language to learn- for me anyway!

It's true, the Indians were pretty bad in certain ways and I wouldn't actually be able to be a part of that society. We Americans tend to forget about the gruesome parts and the other bad things since the American Indians are always being painted with a "politically correct" brush, where we pretend that they were perfect and Europeans were evil. There are all sorts of lies taught in schools about how perfect their culture was supposed to be and how we purposefully set out to commit genocide. It drives me batty. Wonderful true stories like the story of Pocahontas are hardly taught anymore and then people only know the fake versions. And the truth of there having been a far larger and more cohesive society of Indians hundreds of years before "white men" came to this land but having mostly self-destructed and broken up into smaller tribal cultures gets pushed aside too. Not to mention the "starving time" which effected the colonists and the Indians alike, but you would almost have to actually go to Jamestown, Virginia to learn about it.

It isn't just taught like that in the US... it is also taught like that here!
Yes, we are always taught at school to believe that the Indians were hard done by and it was all the 'white man's' fault. I'm glad that you agree that a part of their culture was pretty gruesome. Is Pocahontus a true story? I had read on the internet that it was historically inaccurate. I think it's such a wonderful story though- one of my favourite Disney movies. So the Indians destroyed their own society? I didn't know that. I'm shocked that my history teacher hasn't told me anything like that- you have taught me far more!


The original Virginia Company colonists that founded Jamestown had a really rough time. They had landed on an Island in the James River where there was no fresh water and they didn't bring any farmers with them or try to grow their own food at all. Unlike the Disney version of what happened there, they came with orders from their parent company to do this and to only trade with the Indians for food so that they wouldn't be too threatening to the Indians. They were looking for profit but not looking to settle down permanently and take over from the Indians. But as it happens that was a very bad decision. And sadly, they had landed in the new world during a very bad drought that lasted for many years. What the histories refer to as "the starving time" came at the end of that several years when many more colonists died than survived, which had been true throughout the drought years anyway but even much more so around 1609-1610. There are just awful personal accounts that you can read of it, of the people eating rats and snakes and their pet dogs and mostly dying anyway. They even ate all of their shoe leather. And that late in those drought years the Indians didn't have any food to trade to them anyway. Since at one point one of the people in charge had made the bad decision to "teach the Indians a lesson" for not trading they got to be on very bad terms with the local Indians and couldn't safely leave their fort to hunt or anything. But, as I mentioned they didn't even have any farmers there. And apparently the people who were there were ignorant of the type of information they would have needed to see the drought for what it was and realize how it was effecting the Indians. Being on a river you might think they would have fished and they did. The year that the histories refer to as "the starving time" is also the year that the lower level of water in the river and its increased salinity had made it so that there were hardly any fish to be caught.

Oh, so THAT is why Pocahontus is historically inaccurate! I had no clue it was based on a true story. Wow, the starving time sounds awful! It is fascinating to me as well as being horrific. Why was there such a bad drought with so little food? Surely there must've been food somewhere. Eating rats and snakes is just disgusting, but eating your pet dog must've been such an awful thing to do! I could never ever eat my dog, even if I were starving. So did the Indians get most of the food- seeing as you said the white men couldn't go out and hunt because of their bad relationship with the Indians. I'm going to go onto the internet and see what information I can find about the starving time. It sounds really interesting.

Have you heard (I assume you have) about the Russian royal family that got killed during the revolution? I believe 'Maria' and 'Anastasia' were two of them. I looked it up on the internet but it really complicated so I couldn't really understand much of it. But I don't think they deserved to die... it didn't seem like they had done anything wrong!


Although it is a shame that schools never teach it, while they are busy pretending that the downfall of the Indians was completely caused by "white men" with no other factors, I think it is good to know more of the truth. Before that several years drought there were over 17,000 Powatans in what is now called Virginia. After that there were only about 2,000. They know a lot more about the drought and its effects now than ever before. The Indians didn't keep written records. And the white men at Jamestown didn't understand it. But now through what few records there are, through archeology and most of all through the study of tree rings they can see what really happened to add up to it truly being a time when there just was no food to be had.

Wow- if my maths is correct doesn't that mean over 80% of Powatans died during the drought? That sounds like a disaster. At least historians have been able to piece things together even when there aren't many records. Did you get the great plague in the US? I have always found that topic interesting. Despite the Great Fire of London being bad in many ways, it killed of the plague I think. Lol, all because a baker left his oven on.

I don't know if I mentioned before about the souvenirs I bought after our day at Jamestown. I bought two books, but I also bought myself a sweatshirt/hoodie that says "Jamestown 1607 when survival wasn't a game." (We have an American television show called "Survivor" where people compete against each other that involves survival skills, but I wasn't sure if it was ever seen in Britian.)

Souvenirs! Great sounding hoodie! The 'quote' on it is pretty funny. I'm pretty sure we must have that show in the UK, or at least a similar show. Most of our programmes are American anyway, apart from channels like the BBC and ITV. I can't imaging having to fight to survive- must've been awful. I guess my generation is lucky in that way too!

Yes, congress is similar to parliament. And they do bicker all the time. There was always that going on in congress and in parliament too. And the press tends to make a big thing about the arguments or discussions that go on when they want to make the politicians look bad. lol. Also, I think it looks worse to people now than ever before. Mostly they appear as though they are worse to us now because the things that leaders and politicians argue about are the things that divide us all and they are the things we care about right now. But it is also partly due to the nature of the issues being different than they were in the past. It is one thing to be setting up a new government after a revolution and to disagree about the finer points within it such as how much power to give the state governments vs. the federal government. It is quite another to be over 200 years down the road and disagree about if the entire nature of the type of government and economy that got set up was a good foundation or if that needs to be changed into something entirely different.

Sounds like you're into politics too! In the UK, MPs don't come across as being the most trustworthy people. They just bickey like school children! Our press make politicians look bad. But it's all about getting votes here- obviously the same in the US, but our government doesn't want to make changes that would improve the country because they might loose votes over it. I don't know anything about America's government, or what the difference is between state government and federal government. I'm guessing that state governments are governments for individual states? We certainly don't have that problem here- seeing as the UK is so small. We do have counties though, and we have to pay tax to the government and also council tax. Infact we get taxed on everything- literally. The government don't want to ban smoking because they would lose so much tax on it. They seem to forget that smoking related diseases cost the national health service billions ever year though! Infact, a few years ago, some people had dustbins with chips on them to measure how much waste you threw out, presumably to tax you more on it or something. Naturally, when the press found out... everyone knew and I think they scrapped those plans. Many people call our country a 'nanny state' in the way everything is controlled. Although it isn't so bad with our new government.

We used to be a laissez-faire capitalist republic but we have moved pretty far down the road to a very regulated economy that is something in between a true capitalist economy and a socialist economy and we are still sort of a republic but the foundations of why it used to work so well here have been altered over time and there are now some fairly large problems that override the principals that made it great. So people argue bitterly over that shift and whether to fix it or to embrace it and move over to socialism. Sadly you rarely hear anyone present any alternatives to the corruptions that have been the bane of past and present socialist and communist economies, they just gloss over them, pretend they don't exist. Even in my state, in less than a week, we have a big election coming up where there have been all sorts of things said from both sides to gloss over the underlying corruptions that brought the issue up to begin with. The side that defends the corruption have to lie about it and mislead people to hide that and they are very good at it and very slick. The side that is fighting it has to try like crazy to look as positive as the liars and not as evil as the liars make them look. lol. you have to laugh to keep from crying. The irony for me is that I would not back any particular form of government based on it being morally superior which most backers on both sides seem to believe about what they are backing. I would consider socialism if I could see examples of it working better or alternative solutions to make it possible that this time it would be different. But since all past socialist and communist societies have turned out to be bad for the majority of the people who lived under them and eventually self-destructed and most current ones seem to be reforming to be a little less like themselves and a little more like us... and since no one has any real plan for making it a more viable form... well, you can see where my leanings are. I wish we could revisit the state power vs. federal power issue instead. Oh well, elections are a one day thing for a lot of people and then we move on. As much as I care about them and try to stay informed in between, I know God will still be in his heaven and I can still serve him with or without a good government in place.

Is 'socialist' to do with lower incomes or something? Here, if someone is a socialist, I think it means you support labour, the party that supports working class people. Good luck with your election choice! What are the elections like in the US? Is this upcoming one quite important? Don't you find it annoying that before an election, all the different parties are trying to convince you to vote for them, and making eachother look bad. And they promise things and then go back on their word. I agree- just because their isn't a good government in place doesn't mean life will be awful or more difficult.
By the way, I heard on the news that Barrack Obama had said something embarrasing to the French president. It was all over the news the other day! All the news presenters were talking about it.


Want to hear something funny? We've already tried communism here and it failed. Isn't that a hoot? But also a true story, I swear. Both the Massachusetts Colony and the Virginia Colony in their earliest days gave communism a try and both had to give it up after things started going very badly. Then in both cases after they re-instituted personal ownership (personal incentive) their little economies reversed course and they started thriving. But you know, I can see why they gave it a shot. It sounds so nice and giving and lovely in theory. Even the example of the first century Christians seems to back it up. But you have to study history with a heart and an eye for wanting to truly understand it. And the difference was those first century Christians did what they did by choice not by having rules or laws that told them they had to or by government systems that simply did it for them. And many Christians today still have a heart to give of their own belongings to others whether they have millions of dollars to give from or barely anything. And that is where true good deeds come from, from good hearts not from laws and bureaucracies.

I didn't know that parts of the US had tried communism. I have heard it's an awful thing- but I don't know much about it. All I know is that it is quite controlling to be ruled by a communist government. Wasn't Russia communist? Oh wait it still is isn't it? Yes, Christians are very generous, it's wonderful that we still have people like that. Our church community is lovely in our village, everyone is so kind and gets on well.

Hehe,,, I'm the same way. I had a terrible time with the coins when I was in Britain. But I've heard they have changed all their coins since then and now they are much easier. Is that true? I can tell you the parts of our currency that are easier, (easier for the same reason that metric can be easy). A penny, a dime and a dollar... if you ignore the nickels and the quarters you have base ten math at its best. A penny is a 100th, a dime is a 10th and a dollar is a whole unit. Base ten is always easiest for just about everybody. I know the hours of they day and imperial feet and inches are both base twelve but then again I also don't know very many people who can manipulate them easily in their heads without taking a bit of time over it. I surely can't.

I didn't know that the US currency had pennies- I thought that was just the UK! So a dime is 10 cents, or 10 pennies? Hmmmm. Lol. Here it sounds more simple than that. We have a pound, and there's 100 pennies in a pound. But then there's a ten pence coin as well as a twenty and fifty pence coin, but they say their value on them, so it's really easy to understand.

When did you come to the UK? Our currency changed but I don't know when. We used to have things like 'shillings' and 'twopence' but I wasn't alive when they were around. My mum says they were gotten rid of in 1968 or 1969... something like that. The thing is with dimes is that they don't say how much they are in relation to dollars. I stood by the till in a shop in DHS looking really stupid because I couldn't find the right change. The cashier just ended up showing me all the different values... which I forgot.


My husband is good with math and numbers like that. He can even do hexidecimal math at the drop of a hat... I had never even heard of that before I met him! I think it is base sixteen. But who knows. Just math people I guess and I am definitely not one of those. My husband tells me I am good for his computer career because knowing me has taught him that a person can be bad with computers even if they are generally intelligent. He has to work with a lot of end-users and help them, mostly women. I know it was hard for him at first. And I can understand. It is always hard to see why other people don't understand something if you understand it easily yourself. Poor guy. Patience, patience, patience.

I have never heard of hexidecimal math either. Sounds pretty complicated for my little mind! I agree about that- rather than a math person, you are definately more of a historian/ chef. Maybe it's just me, but those are great things to be good and knowledgable at, if you ask me! Ikr, my mum doesn't know as much as me on the computer and I can get a little annoyed with her. I guess it's just confusing for people that grew up without computers... which is a lot of people. Good on your DH for being patient, I think we both know how hard that can be! You must come across that a lot homeschooling, right? No one can be patient all the time! Lol.

Marie Antoinette was the youngest of the sixteen children of Maria Theresa empress of the Hapsburg empire and Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor. I don't know much of anything about her father, but I know a little bit about her mother and some of the politics of her coming into her reign. Marie Antoinette married Louis XVI and they became King and Queen of the French. She had a roller coaster life of trying to please and trying to fit in and always being subject to being a public personality with almost no personal power within the political sphere within which she had to live. At the end after many horrible accusations had been made against her, she was beheaded on the guillotine during the French revolution. By some accounts she is a pitiable character and by others nearly a monster and I've always been so curious wishing I could know which sources come closer to showing who she really was.

What horrible accusations were made against her? It sounds like she was one of the more unfortunate historic figures that we know about. Why was she considered a monster? I'm guessing that it's due to the accusations that were made against her. I'm going to research her too! You inspire me too much! Tut tut! I'll also ask my history teacher, she probably knows some things about Marie Antoinette. She's very passionate about history, which is great. There's nothing worse that loving a subject but getting a teacher that doesn't teach it particularly well. Did you study history in college or something? You are so knowledgable about it. Either that or you must study it every day. Lol.

Do you have a good library where you live? Do your libraries do inter-library loans? I was just thinking you might be able to get ahold of American books you are interested in that way if some library in Britain has them rather than paying shipping for them from America. At least go in and ask the librarian about it. They might not, but it never hurts to ask. A lot of libraries here do it. So I have sometimes gotten books like that. It helps if you have all the right information to get the books looked up on the computer or even more if you already know of a specific library that owns a copy.

Yes, I have a wonderful library near me- I'll go and look for some American books there at the weekend. I'm sure they must have a few... and it's worth a try. In the UK, apparently if they don't have the book you want, you can order one in or something. I might try that if they don't have any that I want.

My DD14, Gwyneth, really recommends a series of books I bought her called The Royal Diaries. And there is one entitled: Marie Antoinette; Princess of Versailles by Kathryn Lasky, published by Scholastic, Inc. in New York, copyright 2000. I asked her which was her favorite of the series, expecting her to say the one on the Hawaiian princess, but she said it was between Marie Antoinette and Eleanor. That one's subtitle was Crown Jewel of Aquitaine. Author Kristiana Gregory. Its publishing info is the same except copyright 2002. They aren't the height of scholarly writing, but they were informative and entertaining. They are actually historical fiction, meaning there are a few things in them made up by the author. When reading historical fiction you can learn some history but you have to go to other sources to be sure. As a general rule, little details are best to be taken as most likely made up and the biggest things and the important dates are often correct. When we got them a few years ago, she read them so quickly!

Thanks for the reccommendation! I'll look into where they sell them. Do you know it they are sold in the UK? We get Scholastic books here so I'm sure they will be.
Do you mean these books?

http://www.amazon.com/All-The-Royal-.../28XXHRZ3QLWB8

It looks like they are sold only in America and Canada- I'll look into shipping costs, and see if they are reasonably. It's good they are easy to read, I struggle understanding some of the adult history books.


Most of the stories of the American civil rights movement and integration (or the end of segregation) are from the 1960's. Although it had been happening before that in some places. That was when places where it had been resisted and racial tensions existed got forced to do it anyway. It was very bad. But then similar tensions have been continuing for racial, ethnic and religious reasons all around the world in every decade since. You can never erase human faults altogether. I'm just going to be thankful that particular one has been worked on as much as it has been here and that they got through the worst of it before I was born.

It sounds so sad. I'm glad in that way I live in the UK, because segregation was a far bigger thing in America. What made everyone get on in the end? I thought America was meant to be known for 'freedom' and stuff, so the whole segregation scenario sounds confusing to me. Humans always seem to make mistakes, right? They also do a lot of good things, but for the most part people remember the mistakes more than the good things. My parents were born in the 1960s, so it's scary for me that they might have had to go through things like that had they lived in the US.

Thank-you for the compliment. I was very picky about names while I was pregnant each time and ended up thinking about names names names all the time. When I had my first child, my son, I wanted to pick a name that was a real name already and very solid but not overly common. I picked Alexander. I didn't know anyone with that name, and never had except one guy in school who I didn't really know when I was kid. I remember saying to people "I don't want him to have the same name as two or three other people in his class at school" which is what it was like when I was a kid, several Mikes in my year, three Melissas (and two of those girls had the same middle name as well!), two Jennifers, etc. Then that was the nine months that half the expectant parents in this country picked that name out. There were five born in the same week in same operating room where I had him and when he first got to school he was in a class with four others plus an Alexandra. So you can imagine how much more obsessed I was during the next two pregnancies wanting to succeed at my goal.

I think all parents are picky with names. My parents argued about what I was to be called but my dad gave in and I was called Megan. I think Megan is a nice name... especially shortened to Meg or Meggie. Great choice calling your son Alexander! It's such a nice name. My brother Rory was almost called that. But my parents chose 'Rory' instead... Alexander IS his middle name though! I think you have to see your child before deciding, to see if they actually suit the name though. I mean what happens if you choose a name and then the baby doesn't suit it at all?
Good try with naming him though- even though there were lots of Alexanders AND an Alexandra in his school! That is a little amusing. I think Gwyneth and Anneliese are rather uncommon names- although I have heard of them! I only know one Gwyneth, my grandmother. But I have never met anyone called Anneliese. You're certainly good at choosing pretty names... Alexander, Gwyneth and Anneliese are all very pretty.


After you mentioned hearing about Ohio and how pretty it is, it got me to thinking about Malabar Farm. That is a place that I took my kids for a day trip. We actually went two or three time back when my son was still able to go on our outings. Now he works of course. It seems to me that we are due to go again. I might wait till spring but the girls and I should definitely go back. It used to be owned by an author who had a bunch of his books made into movies way back in the earlier days of Hollywood. But now it is a state park.

http://www.malabarfarm.org/

I had a look at the sight- looks lovely and a great day out! I'll show it to my parents. Infact my mum reads the TR so she'll might see the link anyway. We love day trips to places like that. And it looks VERY American! (Which I LOVE!) Okay, sorry I may sound like I love the US, but it is like a different world to me. I normally only see places like Malabar Farm on television. I just couldn't get it out of my head when we were in WDW that I was actually hearing American accents in person! Lol.
You must miss spending time with your son. Does he live near you? You should go back with your girls anyway! As long as it isn't too cold in Ohio at the moment. The cold can make trips less enjoyable sometimes, I find.


So here are some image links for you, one of malabar where you might have to double click on the pic to get the internet to show you a bigger version of the pic and one of the image carved on the side of Stone Mountain then two pictures taken during the laser show at Stone Mountain. (They project lasers against the side of the mountain!)

http://www.mansfieldtourism.com/memb...arm-state-park

http://www.destination360.com/north-...stone-mountain

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3560374

http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationP...a_Georgia.html

Thanks for the links! Malabar Farm looks so beautiful and quaint- and the carving in Stone Mountain is pretty breathtaking to me! The laser show looks impressive too. Before talking to you I had never been that inspired to visit Ohio but it looks like a beautiful place to visit and I am determined to try and go there. I know I live in Europe, but I am SO jealous of Americans being close to... well... America!

For me to get to the Atlantic coast I would have to drive across Pennsylvania and New Jersey. From my house to actually look at the ocean would be about a 9 1/2 hour drive.

Eek. That is a LONG drive! We get to the beach in about an hour! I thought Ohio was a coastal state? Okay... I have bad geography skills! Lol. I feel bad that some Americans have probably never seen the coast in their life- especially if they life in central America. And I'm very surprised that it's nearly a 10 hour drive to the coast for you. That's why if I ever live in the US, I'm staying near the beach!

I can see how cups would be confusing if you are not used to them. A cup is 8 ounces, but how is that helpful when ounces don't equal anything metric exactly and they aren't even base ten math. Nothing in the imperial system is. If I were you I'd just use conversion calculators through the internet, such as these:

http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Cups/ToOunces.htm

http://www.metric-conversions.org/we...s-to-grams.htm

Oh, thankyou! I didn't know cups were as simple as that. I had heard they were different for different things, like flour and milk and potatoes, etc. Thanks for the link! Now I can try out some American recipes a lot more easily! I see what you mean about the imperial system, that's why I like metric so much. It's basically base ten maths, right? And easy to understand once you get the hang of it.

Oh, by the way, have you heard of 'Bonfire Night' or November 5th? When Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the houses of parliment? That was a few days ago. It's a historical event so I assume you will know! My family went to watch the fireworks and I stayed back with my dog. He was SO terrified and ran around the house whining. It was better than last year though, when we all went out to watch the fireworks and returned to find poor Oscar hiding behind the toilet!
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Great pics, girl!! How did you do all the edits with the flashing writing? Gotta do that with my pics. Haven't done the water parks....will have to look into that. About how long did you stay that day? Would you recommend and do again? Have a great weekend.
Thanks so much! I use PhotoBucket to edit my photos- you have to upload your photos but the editing it awesome! I would try it if I were you! Oh, Typhoon Lagoon was wonderful! We stayed about 4 or 5 hours I think. But because of the August heat, we couldn't really stay longer than that. I would definately reccommend it... a great break from the parks. Just get there early and you'll have a great day!
Thanks! Hope you had a great weekend too... and that it didn't get too cold!

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While I've been on the computer waaaayyy to much lately while resting up, I did jump on the Jamie Oliver forums and they gave me the scoop about the Shepherd's pie I thought I was making actually being Cottage pie!

http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=75199

I knew someone there would have something to say.
Hahaha! So all this time... you weren't making shepherd's pie at all? So your cookbook actually got it wrong?! I think that happens in the UK too. I checked out the link... it looks like the people that posted on your thread were pretty passionate about sheperd's pie! At least you finally got an answer... and now I know too!
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Dinner at Citricos

Sorry that I haven't updated in a while! The thread's been quite quiet recently... So I'm here and ready to add in another installment in the TR!

After our nice trip to TL, we went back to SSR for another swim and a rest before Citricos, our 8pm ADR. We got a few photos- not many... but I hope you enjoy what I have!

We were thrilled to be back at the Grand Floridian... but this was our last ADR there I believe, so I was sad already. However... I was excited to be trying our second 'Signature' Disney Restaurant!

Dinner at Citricos

My parents got personalized anniversary menus, and my dad also got a special birthday menu, which we have in our house at the moment! What a wonderful touch, and it really surprised my parents too.





This was Rory's appetizer- very good for a kids menu! I think he'd already eaten some of it... but better late than never!



The bread and butter was also very nice...



Unfortunately, that's all the food photos I have! I wasn't too good at taking them... and my family were very good at deleting them!

We got this wonderful card with a photo in. It was such a 'magical' touch.



The restaurant was SO empty! I was really surprised... it shouldn't be as quiet as this!



We by far preferred it to CG, but that's just us. I was so surprised at how empty it was... maybe only two or three other tables were occupied.

The fireworks went off and seeing as we were seated very near to the windows... that just made it even more outstanding. Definately try Citricos... it was wonderful. And if you are celebrating anything near to your vacation, add it onto your reservation and you will probably get a beautiful personalized menu.

We reluctanly left... saying goodbye to this beautiful restaurant.



We walked out of the GF for the last time...







Thanks for reading! Sorry it was a fairly short update. Here's a photo that hints what my next update will be about:



Well... now I've made it obvious, stay tuned to read about our trip to AKL for breakfast! And after that... EPCOT!
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Nice update! I was in Frankenmuth, Michigan last night... DH and I took a little overnight trip. I thought I would take pictures and share them here on the Dis boards. There are forum sections for non-Disney stuff. And I know there are folks here who would love to go there and shop in Bronner's Christmas store. I had a good time and I bought some really great Christmas ornaments. But my DD14, had absconded with my camera! She took it along on her trip to Maryland. I know she is getting good pics there, but I was not so happy with her when I realized that!

Maybe I can at least remember to show pics of the specific ornaments I bought some time after little miss gwyneth gets home from her trip next week.
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We actually had shepherd's pie tonight. It is a very filling dish for sure! So much better than the readymade meals the supermarkets sell. I didn't even know there was a Jamie Oliver website- but he actually lives very near to us... about 10 minutes away. He also went to the school I attend- although he apparently hated it! His parents own a pub about 5 minutes away from us- and my cousin did work experience for them. She was lucky enough to get to go to his big house and his vegetable gardens.
So does your school have better food now like the schools where he has managed to revamp the lunch programs?!

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Hahaha! So all this time... you weren't making shepherd's pie at all? So your cookbook actually got it wrong?! I think that happens in the UK too. I checked out the link... it looks like the people that posted on your thread were pretty passionate about sheperd's pie! At least you finally got an answer... and now I know too!
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...Isn't MSG an addictive?...

...That must be really hard for you being limited in what you can eat. I think being allergic to gluten and having lactose intolerance are some of the 'harder' allergies to live with, considering gluten and dairy are in SO many different foods! To be honest- meat is better than quorn, so you aren't missing much. Quorn is only an imitation of meat and so obviously will not taste like it. Meat has a far richer taste. So at least you can eat meat!
What I know about MSG, is that it is a naturally occurring amino acid, but in the way it is gotten into such a strong and pure form and added to foods, it is reputed to be bad for you causing many different possible reactions in different people. I personally know a guy who always seemed very withdrawn and unfriendly (knew him for a couple of years that he was like that) who gave it up and turned into a completely different person, happy and outgoing. He's had a far better life since he gave it up, something like 5 years ago. My dad's wife gets headaches when she has it. And I personally just decided with all the health things I've had to deal with, I should just play it safe and stay away from it. I would not be surprised if it is addictive. It certainly is known to have an effect on the nervous system.

Yes, the food problems can be pretty difficult to deal with at times. But I guess you can get used to anything when you have no choice. The biggest thing is just that I know it is difficult for other people just like it can be for me at times and so it effects eating out and going to friend's homes quite a bit.

If I were only allergic to fish that would be easy enough for people to cope with but when there are multiple things and when some of them can be "hidden ingredients" it's pretty much impossible to put that burden on others not to mention, then would you be able to trust they can get it right and you won't have some sort of anaphylaxis, that they would never stop apologizing for? Oh, well. Everyone has different stuff to deal with in life, right?

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I agree, things like wholemeal bread, meats and even nuts are very healthy for you- and simply must be better than subsitutes like quorn and tofu. What is a juice fast? Lol. Is being a vegan hard? I have always thought it must be, having to avoid so many foods.
Yes, it's just juice all day. I have an appliance called a juicer and for the juice fast you are supposed to make the juice fresh and drink it right away. I'm not doing it so well right now partly because things keep coming up like a friend needing to go out and talk so at the restaurant I got food. lol. And as mentioned in my previous post, my DH took me on an overnight trip, so I didn't try to do it 100%. I took juice with me for breakfast and lunch and I ate at the restaurant at the hotel last night. Then we had today to deal with lunch today before we got home in the afternoon. Anywho.

It was not hard when I did a juice fast last summer. As long as I made my juices 80% veg and 20% fruit and always started with something green and leafy I had no food cravings or hunger or anything. And when I did it for fifteen days last summer, I lost 15 pounds and I never gained them back.

Now that I've said the juice thing isn't hard, I have to say I don't think it would be the right choice for a permanent way to eat. There are lots of people who think being vegan is perfectly healthy, but I can't say they have me convinced, not by a long shot. Not that I'm inviting debate, I just want to be clear that for your health I, personally, don't recommend veganism. I'm just full of opinions, I know. *blush*

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Is your son a cabinet maker now, or something like it?
Actually, no. He ended up deciding to get a paying job and end the apprenticeship. I can't blame him, but I hope he can get back to learning that on the side at some point, especially since he is not interested in college.

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Is Pocahontus a true story? I had read on the internet that it was historically inaccurate. I think it's such a wonderful story though- one of my favourite Disney movies.
Yes, there was a real Pocahontas but her real life story doesn't really bare much resemblance to the story Disney told. Being a person who loved her story for years before the Disney movie came out I couldn't really understand why Disney stole her name to tell their tale of the evil white man coming in for profit and mayhem. The part of her story that people know and that they sort of worked with in the movie is the part where she saved John Smith's life. Outside of including a version of that Disney didn't really have anything going on in the movie that had anything to do with reality. But since you loved the movie and you love history you might enjoy this site:

http://pocahontas.morenus.org/

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I didn't know that the US currency had pennies- I thought that was just the UK! So a dime is 10 cents, or 10 pennies? Hmmmm. Lol. Here it sounds more simple than that. We have a pound, and there's 100 pennies in a pound. But then there's a ten pence coin as well as a twenty and fifty pence coin, but they say their value on them, so it's really easy to understand.

When did you come to the UK? Our currency changed but I don't know when. We used to have things like 'shillings' and 'twopence' but I wasn't alive when they were around. My mum says they were gotten rid of in 1968 or 1969... something like that. The thing is with dimes is that they don't say how much they are in relation to dollars. I stood by the till in a shop in DHS looking really stupid because I couldn't find the right change. The cashier just ended up showing me all the different values... which I forgot.
Ah, ok. I get it. So a U.S. penny is to a dollar as a U.K. penny is to a pound. And a dime is just like a 10 pence piece. I could deal with that, since y'all have the value on yours unlike our dime, which you just have to memorize.

Wow, I didn't know it was in the 60's when they stopped minting those other coins. No wonder it was so confusing when I was there in the 80's. I remember thinking that it was crazy to have so many different coins. I'm supposing there were still coins in circulation from the old system all those years later. But on the other hand, I might be remembering incorrectly. Maybe it was just the new coins and I was just being really dense with them. To be serious for a moment, I'm pretty sure it was the old ones because there weren't any that had the values on them any of the times I had trouble. I was there in 1986. So not quite twenty years later. That is a good bit of time!

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...Why was she considered a monster? ... Did you study history in college or something? You are so knowledgable about it. Either that or you must study it every day. Lol.
It seems like the French people were predisposed to dislike or even to hate Marie Antoinette even when she was still essentially a child just before being sent to France to meet her intended. It must have had to do with the political climate of the time, rather than with her personally, stuff like French attitudes's towards Austria and the poorer people's of France and their feelings about the ruling class.

Here is a passage from an article I found on her trial:

"On 14th October, when the galleries had filled with expectant crowds (including the diehard groups of women who attended so many trials and executions that they now brought their knitting with them to do while they watched), the trial commenced. As expected Foquier-Tinville began with a lengthy, vitriolic speech in which he outlined the charges, and placed Marie Antoinette in a long line of infamously wicked women ‘like Messalina, Brunhilda, Fredegund and Medici’. He described her as ‘the scourge and the blood-sucker of the French’, and in language reminiscent of witchcraft accusations talked of the ‘creatures’ and ‘midnight meetings’ she employed.

From the outset then it was clear that the trial was to proceed along familiar lines of character assassination, the rationale seemingly being that proving Marie Antoinette’s complete moral degeneracy would show her capable of committing any crime, thereby absolving the need to prove her guilty of actually committing particular ones."

I didn't study very much history in college, but I did take a few history courses just during my freshman year of college. Good stuff. Mostly I'm just interested in it and I read a lot. And since I can't seem to hold much math in my head, there is lots of good space there for my high reading comprehension and retention. Actually I have pretty good comprehension and retention for listening to lectures as well, if I'm being serious. And that is a good thing, because I do NOT have good note-taking skills!

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I agree. I've always liked the name Megan. In fact, I have a niece named Megan. And I love your screenname here! It's true that my girls have uncommon names. They are ahead of the trend I guess. Since we picked the names we see them more so we know they are becoming a bit more used. But Anneliese is still very rare even with a bit of increase. And the people who use it all seem to make up new spellings for it. We went with the traditional German spelling for it, knowing it was a German name. When I was still pregnant, my brother in law who was stationed in Germany at the time told his elderly neighbor about our expecting a girl and choosing that name and the old fellow said (in German) "They can't name that little baby that! That is an old woman's name!" I recently learned that although it is a German name and not terribly common there among the young folk, there was some famous German lady with it who had an influence in certain hispanic cultures for some reason and that it is currently very common among Spanish speaking people. I wish I knew who she was and what she was famous for with them!

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You must miss spending time with your son. Does he live near you? ...
He lives with us, in fact. He gets to pay low rent and save up some money from his job while he figures out what he is going to do with his life.

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Oh, thankyou! I didn't know cups were as simple as that. I had heard they were different for different things, like flour and milk and potatoes, etc. Thanks for the link! Now I can try out some American recipes a lot more easily! I see what you mean about the imperial system, that's why I like metric so much. It's basically base ten maths, right? And easy to understand once you get the hang of it.
OH, I forgot about liquid cups vs. dry cups. But that is OK. They aren't actually different amounts. They are just differently shaped containers for holding the amount. Its because when you are measuring flour and the like, if you aren't going to put it on a scale, which a lot of American's don't, the best you can do to be precise with your measurement is to fill your container to the brim and then level it off across the top, but when you are measuring liquids you need to have a larger container and a line to fill to for the measurement, so that you don't spill.

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Oh, by the way, have you heard of 'Bonfire Night' or November 5th? When Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the houses of parliment? That was a few days ago. It's a historical event so I assume you will know! My family went to watch the fireworks and I stayed back with my dog. He was SO terrified and ran around the house whining. It was better than last year though, when we all went out to watch the fireworks and returned to find poor Oscar hiding behind the toilet!
Oh your poor dog, the timid thing! I have a tiny little dog and he might be scared of fireworks too, but somehow I picture him just getting obnoxious barking at them.

I had heard of Guy Fawkes and I thought I knew that he had been behind some sort of rebellion, but I didn't know about the holiday. I'll have to look into it. So see you have inspired me too!
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Great update!! Loved hearing about Citricos. What did you have to eat? What made the food there better than GS? Great pics of GF!! Can't wait to explore there in March. How are the shops? Any good ones that I need to check out?

Are you getting ready for the Christmas holidays? What types of traditions do you do during the holiday season?

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Nice update! I was in Frankenmuth, Michigan last night... DH and I took a little overnight trip. I thought I would take pictures and share them here on the Dis boards. There are forum sections for non-Disney stuff. And I know there are folks here who would love to go there and shop in Bronner's Christmas store. I had a good time and I bought some really great Christmas ornaments. But my DD14, had absconded with my camera! She took it along on her trip to Maryland. I know she is getting good pics there, but I was not so happy with her when I realized that!

Maybe I can at least remember to show pics of the specific ornaments I bought some time after little miss gwyneth gets home from her trip next week.
Oh wow! You always seem to be getting away for little trips and vacations! Must be nice to get away with your DH... my parents always moan about wanting a weekend away someplace nice!
Oh, you didn't get any photos? Waah! I'd have loved to see them! And anywhere you go has to be remotely interesting or historic, right? Lol. If you go anywhere else and get photos, be sure to post the link to me! I'd love to see them!
Christmas store? We don't have many of them here and when we do, they sell really tacky plastic decorations. Sounds like you had a great time! And who doesn't like shopping?!
Ooh! Where is Gwyneth going in Maryland? I've heard that's a nice state to visit. Is she going with one of her clubs? I had a day trip to France in year 8, but it was so awful, because all we did was literally visit a French supermarket, lol.
Looking forward to hearing how Gwyneth's trip was!

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So does your school have better food now like the schools where he has managed to revamp the lunch programs?!

No my school has awful food still. And I don't think he would try to help the school he hated so much when he was a child... lol. Our school cafeteria is GREAT though if you want cold pizza or rock-hard cakes!

What I know about MSG, is that it is a naturally occurring amino acid, but in the way it is gotten into such a strong and pure form and added to foods, it is reputed to be bad for you causing many different possible reactions in different people. I personally know a guy who always seemed very withdrawn and unfriendly (knew him for a couple of years that he was like that) who gave it up and turned into a completely different person, happy and outgoing. He's had a far better life since he gave it up, something like 5 years ago. My dad's wife gets headaches when she has it. And I personally just decided with all the health things I've had to deal with, I should just play it safe and stay away from it. I would not be surprised if it is addictive. It certainly is known to have an effect on the nervous system.

That's bad. I'm not sure if MSG is in anything I eat- I certainly hope not! Different foods obviously do have different effects on different people... I steer clear of chocolate in the evening seeing as I can never get to sleep if I eat it too close to going to bed. Do you have Lucozade where you live? I'm sure you do. Apparently looking at the list of ingredients in that drink is enough to make you feel sick and never drink it again. I don't drink soft drinks (don't you call them soda?) as I find them disgusting. And they are addictive too! Lol.

Yes, the food problems can be pretty difficult to deal with at times. But I guess you can get used to anything when you have no choice. The biggest thing is just that I know it is difficult for other people just like it can be for me at times and so it effects eating out and going to friend's homes quite a bit.

Oh yes, that must be difficult. It can be hard getting people to cater for your dietary requirements when you're out and stuff. At WDW they are SO accommodating with people's allergies though... maybe you can use that as your excuse for moving over there...

If I were only allergic to fish that would be easy enough for people to cope with but when there are multiple things and when some of them can be "hidden ingredients" it's pretty much impossible to put that burden on others not to mention, then would you be able to trust they can get it right and you won't have some sort of anaphylaxis, that they would never stop apologizing for? Oh, well. Everyone has different stuff to deal with in life, right?

Yes, it must be scary. Nowadays there are so many hidden ingredients in food that you wouldn't expect to be there! Can you eat nuts? Because that is the one ingredient that is in lots of foods even when you wouldn't expect it. Do you not eat out with friends and family then? I would find the risk of falling ill worrying and that would stop me. At least you can cope with it, even if it's hard or challenging. I guess it must make you a stronger person too!

Yes, it's just juice all day. I have an appliance called a juicer and for the juice fast you are supposed to make the juice fresh and drink it right away. I'm not doing it so well right now partly because things keep coming up like a friend needing to go out and talk so at the restaurant I got food. lol. And as mentioned in my previous post, my DH took me on an overnight trip, so I didn't try to do it 100%. I took juice with me for breakfast and lunch and I ate at the restaurant at the hotel last night. Then we had today to deal with lunch today before we got home in the afternoon. Anywho.

How can you do that? If I were doing a juice fast I would be starving by midday! Do you puree lots of fruit and make juice and smoothies? They must be a little more filling than just juice. Ah yes, the good thing about trips is that you get to eat out and enjoy nice food! Who could say no to delicious food and a fun overnight trip?!

It was not hard when I did a juice fast last summer. As long as I made my juices 80% veg and 20% fruit and always started with something green and leafy I had no food cravings or hunger or anything. And when I did it for fifteen days last summer, I lost 15 pounds and I never gained them back.

Wow! That sounds great! I hear so many things about how hard it is to lose weight... but it looks like it was easy for you! Vegetables in a juice? Wouldn't that taste a little odd? I always thought it was just fruit. Lol. Vegetables are more filling than fruits though, that's something! And losing that much weight is great too!

Now that I've said the juice thing isn't hard, I have to say I don't think it would be the right choice for a permanent way to eat. There are lots of people who think being vegan is perfectly healthy, but I can't say they have me convinced, not by a long shot. Not that I'm inviting debate, I just want to be clear that for your health I, personally, don't recommend veganism. I'm just full of opinions, I know. *blush*

Surely you'd be malnourished if you did a juice fast all the time... because compared to the big meals you're meant to eat it sounds like nothing. I agree- I would find being a vegan so difficult to stick to and a challenge to prepare meals too. And vegan foods surely just can't be as good as dairy and meat? Some people with allergies to meat or lactose intolerance might have to be vegans, but I wouldn't do it by choice. I know it must be good for some people, but for me... and you!... it probably isn't. Everyone's got opinions... lol... You should hear some people at my school. But in the end opinions are great!

Actually, no. He ended up deciding to get a paying job and end the apprenticeship. I can't blame him, but I hope he can get back to learning that on the side at some point, especially since he is not interested in college.

Oh, well he can always go back to it! It's always good to have some sort of qualification or skill... but as long as he enjoys what he's doing! (Okay... who actually DOES enjoy work?! Lol.) Apprenticships are a great way to go if you aren't interested in college apparently, as you must know, being a homeschool teacher!

Yes, there was a real Pocahontas but her real life story doesn't really bare much resemblance to the story Disney told. Being a person who loved her story for years before the Disney movie came out I couldn't really understand why Disney stole her name to tell their tale of the evil white man coming in for profit and mayhem. The part of her story that people know and that they sort of worked with in the movie is the part where she saved John Smith's life. Outside of including a version of that Disney didn't really have anything going on in the movie that had anything to do with reality. But since you loved the movie and you love history you might enjoy this site:

http://pocahontas.morenus.org/

I used to love it when The History Channel would show a movie based on a historical event and then do an episode of "history vs. hollywood" about it. Good Stuff.

I didn't know that there was a real Pocahontus! It is a great story though, even the way Disney tells it! Disney makes everything seem magical- even when in real life the stories must have been more gory. I guess Disney movies can't be too realistic to history, because of the audience they are aimed at. Thanks for the link- it's really interesting! I think the history channel is also in England- so I'll look and see if anything like 'history vs. hollywood' is on. Is it discontinued? It must be on youtube or something. I love documentaries like that- they're fascinating.

Ah, ok. I get it. So a U.S. penny is to a dollar as a U.K. penny is to a pound. And a dime is just like a 10 pence piece. I could deal with that, since y'all have the value on yours unlike our dime, which you just have to memorize.

Wait- don't you have 'cents' anywhere? I thought that the US had dollars and cents. Shows how little I know! Lol!

Wow, I didn't know it was in the 60's when they stopped minting those other coins. No wonder it was so confusing when I was there in the 80's. I remember thinking that it was crazy to have so many different coins. I'm supposing there were still coins in circulation from the old system all those years later. But on the other hand, I might be remembering incorrectly. Maybe it was just the new coins and I was just being really dense with them. To be serious for a moment, I'm pretty sure it was the old ones because there weren't any that had the values on them any of the times I had trouble. I was there in 1986. So not quite twenty years later. That is a good bit of time!

Ah yes. That is confusing! I'm not sure when they stopped circulating, but it was well out of my lifetime. Well... there are a few coins I missed out when I last mentioned British coins. We have a 1pence coin, 2pence coin, 5pence coin, 10pence coin, 20pence coin, 50pence coin, £1 coin and £2 coin. So we do have a lot... whoops! To be honest, there are far less coins in the US dollar currency, and also in the Euro currency most of Europe uses. I guess British coins are so simple to me because I have grown up with them- like US coins are probably simple to you.

It seems like the French people were predisposed to dislike or even to hate Marie Antoinette even when she was still essentially a child just before being sent to France to meet her intended. It must have had to do with the political climate of the time, rather than with her personally, stuff like French attitudes's towards Austria and the poorer people's of France and their feelings about the ruling class.

That's such a shame. She obviously didn't really deserve it then... all the hate directed at her! It usually is because of political climate or relationships with other countries. Did the French public dislike the Monarchy like other countries did at that time?

Here is a passage from an article I found on her trial:

"On 14th October, when the galleries had filled with expectant crowds (including the diehard groups of women who attended so many trials and executions that they now brought their knitting with them to do while they watched), the trial commenced. As expected Foquier-Tinville began with a lengthy, vitriolic speech in which he outlined the charges, and placed Marie Antoinette in a long line of infamously wicked women ‘like Messalina, Brunhilda, Fredegund and Medici’. He described her as ‘the scourge and the blood-sucker of the French’, and in language reminiscent of witchcraft accusations talked of the ‘creatures’ and ‘midnight meetings’ she employed.

From the outset then it was clear that the trial was to proceed along familiar lines of character assassination, the rationale seemingly being that proving Marie Antoinette’s complete moral degeneracy would show her capable of committing any crime, thereby absolving the need to prove her guilty of actually committing particular ones."

That does sound bad- like they hated her so much! She was beheaded, right? Or was she hung? It's like what Henry VIII did to his wife Anne Boleyn (spelling?) in a way- didn't he accuse her of witchcraft and adultery? She was beheaded- no one realised that it was Henry's way of getting rid of her!

I didn't study very much history in college, but I did take a few history courses just during my freshman year of college. Good stuff. Mostly I'm just interested in it and I read a lot. And since I can't seem to hold much math in my head, there is lots of good space there for my high reading comprehension and retention. Actually I have pretty good comprehension and retention for listening to lectures as well, if I'm being serious. And that is a good thing, because I do NOT have good note-taking skills!

Well- if you studied a little history in college that must be partly why you're so knowledgable about the subject as a whole! And considering there is so much history to learn, that is a really good thing. You must read a lot even now... to know so much and remember everything. At least you can learn from lectures... the word 'lecture' to me sounds so dull and long! (As does the actual thing!) My parents say there are a lot of lectures in university and college. So... I'm not exactly looking forward to that!

I agree. I've always liked the name Megan. In fact, I have a niece named Megan. And I love your screenname here! It's true that my girls have uncommon names. They are ahead of the trend I guess. Since we picked the names we see them more so we know they are becoming a bit more used. But Anneliese is still very rare even with a bit of increase. And the people who use it all seem to make up new spellings for it. We went with the traditional German spelling for it, knowing it was a German name. When I was still pregnant, my brother in law who was stationed in Germany at the time told his elderly neighbor about our expecting a girl and choosing that name and the old fellow said (in German) "They can't name that little baby that! That is an old woman's name!" I recently learned that although it is a German name and not terribly common there among the young folk, there was some famous German lady with it who had an influence in certain hispanic cultures for some reason and that it is currently very common among Spanish speaking people. I wish I knew who she was and what she was famous for with them!

Oh thanks! Well my middle name is Elizabeth (shortened to 'Beth') and my grandmother used to call me Meggie Beth. I'm guessing 'fromscratchmom' means you do everything from scratch? That's an awesome nickname too! Anneliese is a great name- it sounds quite elegant and pretty. If I had an uncommon name I would feel quite 'special' seeing as you don't feel particularly special when there's 10 people in your school with the same name as you! Anneliese isn't so uncommon that I haven't heard of it, but I don't know anyone with that name. Haha, Anneliese doesn't sound like an 'old' name to me! Names like 'Gertrude' and 'Margaret' do. I'm pretty sure that you could find out who this german person was that made it so common with Spanish speaking people! To me, Anneliese sounds more French than German. German sounds like quite a harsh language to me, and Anneliese doesn't sound harsh at all. As for Gwyneth, my grandmother is called that but spells it 'Gwynneth'. Personally I think 'Gwyneth' is more pretty than it with 2 'n's. Do you know what country Gwyneth is from? I have always wondered that seeing as it is quite an unusual name.

He lives with us, in fact. He gets to pay low rent and save up some money from his job while he figures out what he is going to do with his life.

Oh that's nice! You must be enjoying spending time with him. It must be hard for a parent to say goodbye to their grown up child, moving out. Especially seeing as America is so big- he could go anywhere.

OH, I forgot about liquid cups vs. dry cups. But that is OK. They aren't actually different amounts. They are just differently shaped containers for holding the amount. Its because when you are measuring flour and the like, if you aren't going to put it on a scale, which a lot of American's don't, the best you can do to be precise with your measurement is to fill your container to the brim and then level it off across the top, but when you are measuring liquids you need to have a larger container and a line to fill to for the measurement, so that you don't spill.

Oh, really? I though cups were a weight. Whoops! So they are like ml and litres then... you measure upto a line. I've always thought that must be just a little innaccurate. Do you not use grams or kilograms at all? I know your country uses imperial but I thought the metric system was spreading across the world. Lol.

Oh your poor dog, the timid thing! I have a tiny little dog and he might be scared of fireworks too, but somehow I picture him just getting obnoxious barking at them.

Hehehe! He's actually a labrador, so quite big, but he gets scared at big bangs and little dogs too! Lol! He's so playful and most other dogs get cross with him and bite him, especially little ones. What kind of dog do you have? I can just imagine a tiny dog barking at fireworks.

I had heard of Guy Fawkes and I thought I knew that he had been behind some sort of rebellion, but I didn't know about the holiday. I'll have to look into it. So see you have inspired me too!

It isn't really a holiday... there's still school and work! But there are lots of fireworks and things. Schools usually make a guy fawkes model and burn it on a bonfire.
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Are you getting ready for the Christmas holidays? What types of traditions do you do during the holiday season?

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Thanks! I had some sort of pasta, I can't remember what kind. Or my parents... I have such a bad memory! What's GS? Do you mean GF? The food and atmosphere was just so nice, so it was definately one of the best restaurants. It was just better quality than the other restaurants.
I didn't get into any of the shops. I really wanted to... and they all looked to interesting! I would definately check some out when you go there in March! You must be so excited!
Yes- getting into a Christmassy mood! It's a shame it's so cold though! All the shops are decorated and it does put me in a good mood. We don't do much, hehe. We usually have Christmas dinner with our family... that's it. What do you do? And it's getting pretty close to Thanksgiving, right? You must be getting excited about that! We don't have it here, sadly, but I wish we did!
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Hello and welcome back to my TR! Where I left off, it was our second Epcot day! We were headed up to Boma for our 8am ADR. I was excited about seeing AKL for the first time.

Breakfast at Boma



The lobby was big and majestic and beautiful.







We had a quick glance and then headed over to Boma (running late, as usual!)



The theming was great. I could hardly believe I was in WDW, or central Florida for that matter!



Rory loved all the little ornaments and statues:



And of course the restaurant itself did NOT disappoint!



My mum was very hungry... and the pancakes were calling her name!



I was a little surprised that this place was missing a little something...



Rory was excited to hit the buffet!



The two boys actually got on in WDW!



After our nice breakfast we had a look round AKL...





All we could see were birds. It was a little disappointing we didn't see any giraffes or other animals. It was early too so I was surprised!





A kind man offered to take our photo. He had such an awesome American accent! Sorry about the quality of the photo- blame the camera!





That's it for now! Thanks for reading! If you are considering Boma- I would definately try it. The food had a slight African tint to it. It wasn't as good as Chef Mickey's or Akershus, but it was still good. It's especially convenient if you're going to AK for the day.

Next update: The morning at Epcot and then Chefs de France!

See you then!
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love your trip report! We were at DW in Sept. & I can't wait to go back. I'm looking forward to reading the rest of your TR.
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Awww thanks, and... I hear September is a great time to go! I take it your trip was wonderful? Hopefully you will be back really soon!

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Lol, thanks! I wish he wasn't growing up so fast... I remember when he was just a little baby! Time has gone by so quickly!
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Hello! Before I continue with the TR, I thought that some more 'background' information would be fun to give!

Disney Land Paris, France, and Past Holidays

When I was about 6 and William was 4 (Rory would not be born until a year later!) my mum entered a competition to win a short holiday to France. It turned out we won- and stayed quite near to Disney Land Paris! Me, William and my Mum went, with our aunt and cousins. Unfortunately, my dad couldn't come because he was up seeing his very ill father in Scotland. I think that was the last time he saw his father, so he had no regrets about staying back in the UK.

I asked my mum "Do we have any photos of DLP?" (Quite hopefully!)

She replied "No, no- mobile phones were barely around then!" I'm not sure why anyone would rely on their phone to take photos, but there you go.

Who couldn't take a photo of the iconic castle?!

Anyway, instead of photos of DLP, I have at least photos of what we were like back then:



This was Willum's first day at school- 7 or 8 years ago! Look at how close we are... we used to be such good friends!

And this was actually later that year, I think, when we were camping in France with some friends. (You can guess who me and Willum are!)



So they give you an idea of how young we were. I have very little memories of that trip- just a few things here and there.

Just to show you what Rory would've been like at that age:



Please forgive how I look, but also how William looks! That was actually his first day at Secondary/ High school, and he looks nothing like that now. He has gotten 'cooler' and truly turned into a teenager.

After that, we took quite a few trips to France, and other parts of it too. Here is a video clip of us when Rory was 2 years old. He's cute, especially at the end! (Sorry if the link doesn't work!)

http://s1129.photobucket.com/albums/...a****oMa06.mp4

When you click on the link, Photobucket should ask you to enter in a password for the album. The password is 'disney'.

We went to France year after year, but as I grew up, I asked my parents if we could travel more.

We went to Hungary with friends, which was probably the worst holiday I've ever had. We stayed in an apartment with no air conditioning in really hot weather. And everytime we left the owners dog would try and bite us.



That's Rory, my Mum, Willum and me up on the tower, by the way!



And last year, we went to Sardinia, which was a wonderful change:





Sardinia is off the coast of Italy, if you don't know. It is a beautiful country, definately.

I am the family holiday planner and when I saw Florida and the options, I desperately wanted to go there. I begged my parents and we worked hard to afford it. They weren't expecting much, actually, from WDW.

First I wanted to do Universal, Seaworld and Busch Gardens, but then I realized that Disney was far more exciting... to me anyway! I found out about the DDP and I begged my parents again to spend a little more money staying onsite. I also asked them to try Discovery Cove, so we sold a few things and got enough money to book that.

It turned out all to be worth it. It was the most amazing holiday any of us has ever had, even my dad. He was convinced Disney World would never rank higher than his trip to San Francisco and Alcatraz!

Okay, now back to the TR! Sorry for the off-topic update! But hope you enjoyed that little backstory!
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Just found your trip report, hope you dont mind some fellow brits tagging along
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hmm, I wrote a day or two ago, but it seems I did not post it properly so I'll write part of it again now. lol

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Oh wow! You always seem to be getting away for little trips and vacations! Must be nice to get away with your DH... my parents always moan about wanting a weekend away someplace nice!
Oh, you didn't get any photos? Waah! I'd have loved to see them! And anywhere you go has to be remotely interesting or historic, right? Lol. If you go anywhere else and get photos, be sure to post the link to me! I'd love to see them!
Christmas store? We don't have many of them here and when we do, they sell really tacky plastic decorations. Sounds like you had a great time! And who doesn't like shopping?!
Ooh! Where is Gwyneth going in Maryland? I've heard that's a nice state to visit. Is she going with one of her clubs? I had a day trip to France in year 8, but it was so awful, because all we did was literally visit a French supermarket, lol.
Looking forward to hearing how Gwyneth's trip was!
We have had a lot of travel going on here lately, which is odd. Over the years we have been married we usually have done very little traveling together of any kind. But I'm so glad we did this weekend trip to Michigan. I really enjoyed it. Here are two links for you to show where we went:

http://www.bronners.com/

http://www.bavarianinn.com/

Your parents should totally make that a priority to get an overnight away from home together once or twice a year, even if just to go camping.

And of course I'm thankful that we could get Gwyneth the plane tickets to take her trip to Maryland. I know it meant a lot to her. She was with a friend who used to babysit her. When Gwyneth was born Reba was 14. When Reba got married and moved to Maryland it was pretty hard on poor Gwyn. But now Reba has just given birth to her first child and just a few days before Gwyneth's 14 birthday too! So its a lovely blessing that Gwyneth got to go so shortly after the baby was born.

Here ... I'll get Gwyneth to come write you a bit about her trip...

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Hi this is Gwyn. Not too much happened to make it exciting to write about. Reba's baby was too little to go out much. On the way to her house from the airport we stopped to buy diapers and got some lunch at a fast food place. Then Reba's sister and her daughter who's five visited, and I played with her. We went during Reba's church's gospel meeting so we went to that most nights. On Thursday we went to Chuckie Cheese's with her sister and her sister's daughter.

On Friday, Reba's father-in-law visited for dinner so we made nacho's and he brought pizza. On Saturday, since Reba's husband was home we left him with the baby and went on some errands, and made cookies, that did not turn out right.

I spent Sunday Afternoon with Reba's sister and played with her daughter the entire time, she's just too cute. And aside from a few errands we just stayed at home on Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday I went home.

So lots of "hanging out".
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That is too funny about the cookies. I remember always trying to make cookies with my friend, Kira, when we were in high-school and they always came out wrong. Either one of us could bake cookies alone at home and get together to share, but, when we did it together we always paid more attention to talking and goofing off and managed to mess something up with the cookie making!

Oh, by the way, her trip was to Glen Burnie, Maryland which is basically a suburb of Baltimore. And there are tons of great things to do if you visit the area. Gwyneth has gotten to do some of the things on other visits to the area at other times. I've always had relatives and friends in the vicinity. Reba's sister who Gwyn mentioned is married to my cousin. We introduced them one time when he came here to Ohio. And because of that Reba later married a man in Maryland who was friends with my cousin there.

We love them all and sometimes joke about getting the relationships right according to the old rules about naming such things. By the way, that makes Reba Gwyneth's second cousin twice removed if I understand the rules correctly which I probably don't.
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Hallo! Thanks for joining in! I'm so glad to have some Brits joining the TR!

I read some of your TR. It's great! Your two girls are adorable!

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We have had a lot of travel going on here lately, which is odd. Over the years we have been married we usually have done very little traveling together of any kind. But I'm so glad we did this weekend trip to Michigan. I really enjoyed it. Here are two links for you to show where we went:

http://www.bronners.com/

http://www.bavarianinn.com/

Your parents should totally make that a priority to get an overnight away from home together once or twice a year, even if just to go camping.

And of course I'm thankful that we could get Gwyneth the plane tickets to take her trip to Maryland. I know it meant a lot to her. She was with a friend who used to babysit her. When Gwyneth was born Reba was 14. When Reba got married and moved to Maryland it was pretty hard on poor Gwyn. But now Reba has just given birth to her first child and just a few days before Gwyneth's 14 birthday too! So its a lovely blessing that Gwyneth got to go so shortly after the baby was born.

Here ... I'll get Gwyneth to come write you a bit about her trip...

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Hi this is Gwyn. Not too much happened to make it exciting to write about. Reba's baby was too little to go out much. On the way to her house from the airport we stopped to buy diapers and got some lunch at a fast food place. Then Reba's sister and her daughter who's five visited, and I played with her. We went during Reba's church's gospel meeting so we went to that most nights. On Thursday we went to Chuckie Cheese's with her sister and her sister's daughter.

On Friday, Reba's father-in-law visited for dinner so we made nacho's and he brought pizza. On Saturday, since Reba's husband was home we left him with the baby and went on some errands, and made cookies, that did not turn out right.

I spent Sunday Afternoon with Reba's sister and played with her daughter the entire time, she's just too cute. And aside from a few errands we just stayed at home on Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday I went home.

So lots of "hanging out".
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That is too funny about the cookies. I remember always trying to make cookies with my friend, Kira, when we were in high-school and they always came out wrong. Either one of us could bake cookies alone at home and get together to share, but, when we did it together we always paid more attention to talking and goofing off and managed to mess something up with the cookie making!

Oh, by the way, her trip was to Glen Burnie, Maryland which is basically a suburb of Baltimore. And there are tons of great things to do if you visit the area. Gwyneth has gotten to do some of the things on other visits to the area at other times. I've always had relatives and friends in the vicinity. Reba's sister who Gwyn mentioned is married to my cousin. We introduced them one time when he came here to Ohio. And because of that Reba later married a man in Maryland who was friends with my cousin there.

We love them all and sometimes joke about getting the relationships right according to the old rules about naming such things. By the way, that makes Reba Gwyneth's second cousin twice removed if I understand the rules correctly which I probably don't.
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Ahh, I hate it when that happens! It’s so frustrating when you spend ages typing something and then it gets lost. You kind of lose inspiration to retype it. Lol.
You’re really lucky to travel so much, with your DH and your whole family! How far away is Michigan from you? And was it really cold?
Thanks for the links! The WORLD’S LARGEST CHRISTMAS STORE?! I really wish I could go there! I’m guessing you got some decorations? After all, Christmas is just over a month away! Goodness- how time flies! Bavarian Inn looks wonderful! Tempting! I would fly over there right now if I could. It goes to show that the east coast has many interesting places to visit. My parents think the west coast is far more exciting, but the east coast has lots of stuff to do IMHO, like Bavarian Inn, Stone Mountain, etc.
Oh that’s great about Gwyneth getting to see Reba! I thought she was away on an educational trip or something. It’s so nice to catch up with old friends. What a nice treat for Gwyneth to get to go so soon after the baby was born. Airfare can be so expensive, too! Did she fly on her own? I would find that terrifying!
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Hi Gwyn! Happy Birthday, firstly! I hope you had a great day! It’s so great that you got to go and see Reba and her baby so soon.
How old was Reba’s baby? Was she only a few days/weeks old? That’s a shame that you couldn’t go out much… but it’s fun playing with 5 year old girls though! Is Chuckie Cheese’s a restaurant or something? I’ve never heard of it! Lol.
You can make nachos? I didn’t know you could! Lol. They aren’t very popular here, apart from in cinemas. About the cookies! My baking never turns out right either.
I guess ‘hanging out’ is the best part of visiting friends. Hope you enjoyed it though! Travelling is always fun.
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LOL about the cookies! Most of my baking ends up going wrong, even if I’m not doing it with a friend. Out of interest, what exactly are cookies in the US? Here we have ‘chocolate chip cookies’ and the like, but for most things we say ‘biscuits’. Although don’t you have a different meaning for that, too? I have a little guidebook of language in America, and things like ‘biscuit’ and ‘scone’ mean completely different things, apparently!
Oh, I have heard of Baltimore! It is quite well known here, and apparently a good place to visit. I’m not quite sure where it is though, lol. Reba’s sister is married to your cousin? Small world, right? Sounds like you and your family are all very close, and get on really well most of the time! That must be nice.
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