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Old 07-22-2011, 03:10 PM   #46
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The Big Red Boat







Chances are pretty good that if you’re taking part in this forum, then you heard of something called: The Big Red Boat. Before it was all said and done, several ships would be referred to by this moniker, but in truth (and from a Disney perspective) we’re really talking about one in particular. A ship named Oceanic … and this is her story (well an abbreviated version, but the general story non-the-less).

This tale begins in 1946 with the creation of “Home Lines”. This was a highly respected Italian passenger shipping company that operated both ocean liners and cruise ships. For the first part of their existence Home Lines purchased and operated existing vessels, and did not take delivery of their first purpose built ship until 1965. That ship was SS Oceanic. Built by Cantieri Riuniti dell' Adriatico in Monfalcone, Italy. And designed for both liner and cruise work, Oceanic was launched on 15 January 1963…



… and entered service on 31 March of 1965 with a transatlantic crossing from Genoa to New York City.



When built, the ship was seventh largest on record at 782 feet in length and weighing in at 29,000 tons. She was powered by steam boilers and could comfortable make 26.5 knots (30.5 mph). Oceanic was operated by a crew of 560 and could carry up to 1600 passengers. Although capable of plying the open ocean as a swift liner, Home Lines decided to focus on cruising so Oceanic began making regular seven-day runs from New York to the Bahamas with longer cruises to the Caribbean during the winter months. The ship was one of the largest vessels plying the Caribbean trade. With stylish and novel design, vast open-air spaces, indoor/outdoor pool, and her inclusion of private facilities in all cabins, sailing aboard Oceanic became a New York institution for the next two decades.



At this point a new player enters the picture. Premier Cruise Lines was formed in 1983 by two cruise veterans. Their thought was to use older but well maintained ships to offer shorter cruises in Bahamian waters that would be more affordable to families and younger passengers. By using older ships they hoped to allow this new clientele to have the grander and more classic experience of Atlantic crossings from earlier times. They also partnered with Disney (and you knew this was coming), to offer packages that included stays in Orlando with a cruise leaving out of Port Canaveral. The deal also put Disney characters and entertainment aboard their ships. The first vessel acquired by Primer was the 1958 vintage cruiser: “Federico C” formally of the Costa Lines. After renovations and a coat of bright read paint on her hull, she entered service as “Star/Ship Royal“ and Primer lines began plying the waters of the Caribbean.



The Ocianic reenters the story in 1985 when she became the second and largest ship that Primer would own and operate for the better part of the 1980s. Also painted in the now famous and easily recognizable red and white color scheme, the ship was officially renamed “Star/Ship Oceanic” and immediately became known as “The Big Red Boat” in both the advertising and the general public arenas.



As much as I like to look at the curves and line that make up the outside of a ship, I suspect that y’all would like to see a little bit of the inside of this one as well.

One of the staterooms


the Seven Continents Restaurant


The entrance to the Starlight Caberet and the Broadway Showroom


the Sunrise Terrace and the Satellite Café


The Riviera Rools with the “Magradome” retracted


You could also see Disney’s hand in the usage of space during this time frame as there were also areas set aside for kids including: a “Children’s Recreation” area and small pool on the Primer Deck aft, the Star Fighter Arcade and a “Teen Center” on the Lounge Deck, and an additional “Children’s Playroom” on the Continental Deck.

The years of partnering with Disney were good for the Primer Line. So much so that the folks at Disney decided that running a cruise line was something that they might like to try for themselves. Using what they had learned from Primer and especially from the Oceanic, Disney Cruise Line’s first ships were designed to resemble Atlantic Liners of the past (both inside and out) and to offer impeccable service and entertainment.

An interesting image of the Wonder with a preimer ship in the background


After severing ties with Disney, Primer contracted with Warner Brothers to offer similar character entertainment and continued to do well for a time in the same market. Below are great shots of a brochure for Primer Cruises dating from the period right after the split with Disney. These will give you a really good idea of what you could have expected to see and experience on one of the original “Disney Cruises” aboard the Big Red Boat.

These are fairy large so click on each image to expand the view





Primer Lines grew and acquired additional ships through the late 80s or early 90s. However, Primer started to run into issues related to the size and age of their fleet as the turn of the century approached. Coupled with management changes, strong competition and changing tastes, the line began to struggle. In a last ditch (and rather misguided) attempt to recapture market share Primer even renamed Oceanic to “Big Red Boat I”, and acquired three other ships to be named “Big Red Boat II” through “IV”. The intention was to use this common name as a marketing tool and sail the four ships out of different ports on both US coasts. This plan was never fully implemented and by mid 2000, the Primer Line was forced into receivership. The entire fleet of ships was laid up and placed for sale. Most of the ships would be destined for the breakers, but on 30 December 2000, Oceanic was purchased by Pullmantur Cruises. Pullmantur was a newly-founded Spanish cruise line that put the veteran liner into service sailing out of Barcelona in May 2001. She served admirably in the Mediterranean for the next decade.



The ship was sold once more to the Japan-based “Peace Boat” organization and on 23 April 2009, departed Yokohama on her first around-the-world cruise. According to their mission statements, Peace Boat is an international NGO & non-profit that works to promote peace, human rights, equal and sustainable development and respect for the environment. The ship acts as a cross between a floating university and international ambassador. Her public spaces have been adapted to serve as lecture halls, classrooms, offices, workshops and rehearsal/performance areas serving students from the Global University, International Student and Global English and Espanol Training programs. As the mobile home of the Peace Boat organization, the Oceanic is still sailing. Of the various ships to be called “Big Read Boat”, she is the original and the only one still in service.



Below are a couple of links for additional sites dedicated to SS Oceanic. I found several others but these are the best that I encountered and supply a wealth of information and images.

http://www.sealetter.com/Jan-01/prem.html

http://www.classicliners.net/SS_OCEANIC.html


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Fascinating stuff, Rob! And your artwork from the previous post was out of this world as well.
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Fascinating stuff, Rob! And your artwork from the previous post was out of this world as well.
Thanks Barry.

I actually had a lot of fun putting that chapter together. Ships are one of the many somewhat off-kilter things that strike my fancy. I’m actually on a quest to see as many active and retired vessels as I can with the intention of writing up a combination history/trip-report of the adventure. I can’t imagine that I could sell this in book form (I mean seriously… who’d buy such a thing), but it’s just something I want to do.

And thanks for the comments on my “magnet” work. I’m not sure that I could consider it art (as I know some actual artists and I ain’t doin’ what their doin’). My approach is to collect up bits and pieces and recombine wholes or parts of what images I can find into new representations. They’re more collage then creation, but again, it’s something else that just fun to do.
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Chances are pretty good that if you’re taking part in this forum, then you heard of something called: The Big Red Boat.
Heard of it, but don't know much about it. I'm sure you're about to change that though.

Interesting history about how Disney got into cruising. I'd heard of the "Big Red Boat" but didn't really know much about it aside from the fact that it was a cruise ship that Disney didn't own, but was involved with. Kind of neat seeing how Disney ended up in the cruise market.
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Heard of it, but don't know much about it. I'm sure you're about to change that though.

Interesting history about how Disney got into cruising. I'd heard of the "Big Red Boat" but didn't really know much about it aside from the fact that it was a cruise ship that Disney didn't own, but was involved with. Kind of neat seeing how Disney ended up in the cruise market.
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Chapter 2: The Set-Up

Part 2: What’s a “fish” and why does it need “extending”?


As I said midway through the last section… one of the uniquely “DIS” things that goes on during a DCL cruise is a bit of madness known as a “Fish-Extender Exchange”. I also said I’d explain it “later on”. Well… we have arrived at “later on”.

So… just what is this bit-o-nuttiness? Believe me, that question gets asked very regularly on the DCL forum of the DIS (which you can find here). When it crops up, one of the moderators will often point the newbies over to the Alphabetical-FAQ thread and say: “There is a link to a good explanation of the F/E process in the FAQ” (stay with me a might longer here, I am going to get to the point in a minute). Now I’ve written up a couple of explanatory posts on this topic myself, so when I first saw her comment, I was intrigued. Being “intrigued”, I called up the FAQ…



Scrolled down to the entries starting with “F” and found this:



Now, that first title looked oddly familiar, so I clicked the link and found this:



That’s me! Seriously? I was quoted by one of the moderators… In the FAQ … Really? Now, what this means to you, is that you can head on over there and just skip the rest of this section all-together. But if you stay, then what I’ll be doing is basically updating and modernizing that original post (treating it a bit like a ship spending some time in dry-dock). So, here we go…



A Fish Extender Primer

So just what exactly is a “fish” and just why does it need “extending”? Well… The “fish” is a combination wall decoration/ornament and message clip that is attached to the wall outside every cabin on the Magic & Wonder. Aboard the Dream and Fantasy, it may be a seahorse, a fish, or a starfish depending on where your cabin is located, but the functionality is the same. In all cases, the CMs use these devices to leave messages, official forms or invitations for the occupants of the cabin as needed. It’s kind of like a glorified fridge-magnet and will look like one of these this bad boys:



A “Fish Extender” is anything that you care to hang on said “fish”. Literally anything will qualify, but in general, they are usually some type of pocket organizer similar to either a shoe caddy or a mail organizer. They can be as simple as a canvass bag or as complex as your imagination cares to stretch. Here are a few examples that I’ve encountered on previous cruises:



I’ve even seen folks just hang up a plastic grocery bag as an F/E (probably because they joined in at the last minute or lost theirs, but no one will judge you harshly no matter what you end up using. There is actually a community of folks who make and sell these devices on Etsy and eBay. Some of ‘em will also take custom orders (seriously… go Google it). I’m not sure what the percentages are between those that buy and those that make their own, but I’ve seen many different takes on the theme and some mighty good craftsmanship.

Now, no one in my house is very good with a needle and thread, so we chose to go a different rout entirely and engineered our own F/E. The parts list included a couple of small canvas bags, a Disney themed bandana (all purchased at Michael’s) and some chain scavenged off a discarded light fixture. The end result, which has now served us well on a couple of cruises, ended up looking like this:





How’d we make it? First, cut images that you like out of the bandana and glue them to some crafters hard-board (this adds strength, and you can use any image you like including printed paper with this method). Use a craft knife to cut and trim the hard-board to size and shape then glue those pieces to the canvas bags (white glue works best). We then trimmed the edges of the hard-board with cotton string to give it both a nautical feel and a more finished look. Next, install grommets into the corners of the bags (you can find a grommet tool at either a hardware store or a fabric store). Then hook the bags together with a few links of chain (or rope, string, twine, ribbon… you get the idea) and call it done. There is also a link to instructions for a “No-Sew F/E” that follows the more traditional design in the DCL-FAQ, but we just wanted to have something that was different from everyone else’s.

OK… now you know what it is, but just what’s it for? Well… It’s become a kind of “Secret Santa” game played by the folks who roam the DIS Boards. The idea is that every DIS member who is on the same cruise will go around the ship and leave a little “nick-nack” or “whats-it” in the pouches for the other members that are playing along. The generally agreed rules are that you give out gifts to each participant once per cruise, and that the gifts should be very inexpensive trinkets that either fit a cruise or holiday theme and/or show off a little taste of who you are or the place that you call home. Here’s a link to a continuing thread on the boards that discusses the subject at length:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1219607

The way you join up with an F/E is to first join the meet-thread for you upcoming cruise. Once there just ask which member is in charge of setting up the F/E, then let that person know that you interested in taking part. I’ve actually been in charge of running this little game a couple of times. During our last trip however, there was already someone in charge, so I just got to tag a long this time. There ended up being 26 total cabins in the exchange. We also chose to assign specific dates to each group so that every one would find one or two “gifts” each day of the cruise. We received a number of creative and fairly crafty little do-lollies during our sailing and I’ll try to talk about a few of them as we go forward. As for what we handed out… it ended up being a little care package of miscellaneous Disney-esk trinkets that looked like this:



Here’s what all was in the packets:



What you see there is a Mickey Pez dispenser, some Starbursts and gum (all acquired from a dollar store), a copy of that paper ship model that you can find in Bonus-Fearture-2, a Disney/Dream themed post-it pad and pen (which we “Imagineered” ourselves)



…a couple of small door/fridge magnets (also our work) and here’s one example:



…and a CD of various Caribbean/Sailing/Vacationing/Disney related tunes. A couple of other groups also gave out CDs, but since I did the artwork for one of them, I already knew what songs she was planning to use and could stay away from repeating those tunes at least. I was also able to capture recordings of the various ship’s horn calls and added them to the CD as well.



Not one little bit of this nonsense will go down in history as the personification of gift giving, but taking part in the whole affair was a lot of fun. Now… let me ask you… have you ever tried to carry enough bricka brack to supply F/E gifts for twenty-five other families? Well if you ever do, it will look a bit like this:



On the up side, once you deliver all your gifts, you’ll have an extra bag left over into which you can cram all the flotsam and jetsam that you’ve collected up during your own exploits aboard the ship.






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Chapter 2: The Set-Up

Part 3: Details… Details…


Once we got into the last few days before heading out, the excitement in the house had grown into a fever pitch. I’m pretty certain that everyone here understands this exactly. The anticipation of any great adventure can be greater then the results of the actual trip. Of course, that has never been true for us in relation to Disney travel, but it is possible to build up something in your mind to the point where no reality could ever match the fantasy. About the only “person” in our house that was not thrilled by the prospect was the cat. LB (which is short for Lard-Butt, one of his thirty or so given names), knows that when the suitcases come out of the closet, bad things happen (from his perspective anyway). Cats are pretty self-sufficient and if you put down extra food and plenty of water, they’ll be fine on their own for several days. Better then a week though is a bit long. I lined up someone to check on the critter a couple of times just to make sure that there was enough provisions and to be certain he hadn’t been throwing any wild parties whilst we were out. That took care of that little detail, but you can’t explain plans to cats. Needless to say, he basically remained paranoid and a bit whiney the whole time. He even made valiant attempts to thwart out packing operations.




Next detail… the faithful chariot. Flying out of Charlotte is prohibitively expensive, so if we’re going anywhere, we’re driving. Tamara prefers to have fresh oil in the car prior to lengthy trips. Not a bad habit all things considered, and it was about time to get it done anyway. So I took a bit of time to have the oil and various filters changed. I passed up the opportunity to pay an additional 80 bucks for the “engine shampoo and flush service” though, but I did give ‘em credit for the creative name they’d applied to an otherwise bogus scam-service. After that I ran her through the wash, got the inside cleaned out real good and topped off the tank. Once the traveling DVD player was loaded up in the back, I had one more detail out of the way.



I also took the Friday before we left off of work. I wouldn’t have accomplished a bloody thing anyway, so why not. The morning was spent mowing the yard and generally prepping the house. You know… the little things like getting all the dishes done and put away, clearing all garbage out of the house, shutting off power to any unnecessary appliances & gadgets, folding the last of the clothes and turning off the water supply to the washer… all that kind of preventative maintenance.



The afternoon was for a bit of chilling and burning a few new mix CDs for the trip (radio station reception is unpredictable on the road and the DVD player interferes with the antenna anyway). When evening rolled around we headed out for a little bit of dinner (so no one would have to clean up that mess). Once we were back in the house it was just a matter of hauling most of the bags down the stairs, and loading up the trunk. Just before bed time I collected up all the paperwork for the trip, locked up all the credit cards and such that I didn’t want to carry and pulled the passports out of the fire box.



Do remember to bring these little jewels with you if you’re going cruising. It is possible to go without them (under certain circumstances), but they just make the process of dealing with the various officials a whole heck of a lot easier.

That was the last thing on the prelaunch checklist. Now all that was left to do was get into bed and try to get some shuteye. Tomorrow was the start of the next great Disney adventure. I was as excited as a kid at Christmas, but also pretty bushed, so I didn’t figure I’d have too much trouble with that last detail (unless of course something or someone found it necessary to interrupt my slumber).






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The fish extender thing looks like a cool concept! Kind of a nice way to help share some "Disney" magic with others.

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LB (which is short for Lard-Butt, one of his thirty or so given names)
Are any of the other thirty names as good as this one?


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Yeah, no way I'd pay for that. I agree that is an interesting name, but really???

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I also took the Friday before we left off of work. I wouldn’t have accomplished a bloody thing anyway, so why not. The morning was spent mowing the yard and generally prepping the house.
Great plan!
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Go figure. I’d suspect it was the result of either a drinking binge or lingering insanity. Surely it ain’t ‘cause I said something useful… that just don’t happen.

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It can be fun if you don’t stress over it too much. Younger kids especially get a bit of a kick out it.

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Are any of the other thirty names as good as this one?
Lets see…

Well first off “LB” also happens to be the abbreviation for “pound’ which just adds to the “Lard-Butt” theme. The pictures don’t show it, but at over eighteen LBs, this is actually a rather “large” house cat.

Since cats in general, don’t answer to names in the first place (they sense tone of voice, body language and established hierarchies in most “communication”), I don’t worry much about being constant with what I call them. A few of the monikers that this one has acquired in his life time include (but are not limited to):

“King Fuzz”
“Fur-Bomb”
“The Big Cat”
“Himself”
“His Royal Fatness”
“Chairman Meow”
“Ton-Boy”
“Stubb” – short for “stubborn as hell”
“Fuss” – in honor of his ability to put up quite the ruckus
“The Fat” - as opposed to “the cat”; Example: “So where has ‘The Fat’ gotten off to?”
“Doofenshmirtz”, “Doofus”, “Dumbski”, “Dumb-Sh**”… - all self-explanatory
“Meatloaf” – in honor of both the singer and the dish
“Grand Puddle of Fur”- what he resembles when sprawled out across the couch asleep
“Whodoo” - as in “Who Do you think you are?”
“Paperweight” – being as this is one of his distinct talents
“Number 4” – his position in the hierarchy of the house (which he’s trying to change)
“The Mighty Hunter” – pure sarcasm, because that’s one thing he aint


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Convincing you to pay for something foolish is their primary job.
They only do oil changes as a side line.
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Well first off “LB” also happens to be the abbreviation for “pound’ which just adds to the “Lard-Butt” theme. The pictures don’t show it, but at over eighteen LBs, this is actually a rather “large” house cat.

Since cats in general, don’t answer to names in the first place (they sense tone of voice, body language and established hierarchies in most “communication”), I don’t worry much about being constant with what I call them. A few of the monikers that this one has acquired in his life time include (but are not limited to):

“King Fuzz”
“Fur-Bomb”
“The Big Cat”
“Himself”
“His Royal Fatness”
“Chairman Meow”
“Ton-Boy”
“Stubb” – short for “stubborn as hell”
“Fuss” – in honor of his ability to put up quite the ruckus
“The Fat” - as opposed to “the cat”; Example: “So where has ‘The Fat’ gotten off to?”
“Doofenshmirtz”, “Doofus”, “Dumbski”, “Dumb-Sh**”… - all self-explanatory
“Meatloaf” – in honor of both the singer and the dish
“Grand Puddle of Fur”- what he resembles when sprawled out across the couch asleep
“Whodoo” - as in “Who Do you think you are?”
“Paperweight” – being as this is one of his distinct talents
“Number 4” – his position in the hierarchy of the house (which he’s trying to change)
“The Mighty Hunter” – pure sarcasm, because that’s one thing he aint

Some are rather obvious, but there's a lot of creativity there too!
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Thanks for the lessons on "Disney Cruise ships history" and "Fish Extenders"!

Really enjoying your report and looking forward to more!
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Really enjoying your report and looking forward to more!
Your welcome!
I figured that TRs are a good outlet for the otherwise useless knowledge that tends to clutter up the space where my brain ought to be. I will generally warn you as to when I’m making a left turn story wise though so you’ll at least have a fighting chance at avoiding some of the really “non-Disney” tangents that I have a tendency to inflict on otherwise innocent bystanders.

As for enjoying more of the report… to quote the inimitable Chip Diller: “Thank you sir, may I have another!”

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Chapter 3: The Hook

Part 1: The Journey Commences


Ring dang you… RING! Stupidhead alarmclock. Doesn’t this hunk of **** know that it’s supposed to sense when I’m already awake and go ahead and speed up time. I mean really? The wretched thing has no trouble at all racing through the fourth dimension and rousting me up from a sound and blissful sleep just so I can drag my sorry rump off to work. That bit of physics it can circumnavigate faster then Sheldon Cooper, but do I get the same courtesy on the day that I want to be up so that we can start a journey toward Florida. Noooooooo!



Well enough’s enough. The sun was peaking up over the horizon, so I figured: to heck with it, time to get moving. There is an upside to being the one that wakes up first (the obvious downside being that you’re sleep deprived, but I digress), and it’s that you get to enjoy a little extra quite and see what ever amazing sites are around you with out much interference from the madding crowd. This would be a nice little benefit on a number of occasions in the coming days, but… right now… it just meant that I got to feed the cat and empty the dishwasher. Ehhh… so much for amazing scenery.



But none of that mundane foolishness mattered this morning. We were leaving on an adventure today! Before long everyone else was stirring and the last few items were being stuffed in the last couple of bags. We actually did pretty well on the packing front. It’s easy to bring too much stuff when you’re going to be away from home for a while, but we got it all into a manageable number of bags and I was able to get all of them into the trunk of the car. I didn’t even have anything overflowing into the back seat or on the floor in the cabin. Cool!

By about 8:30, we’d made the last idiot check and were heading on down the road. Tamara decided to drive the first leg of the trip. Normally I do the bulk of the driving, but since it was going to be a good long trip, she wanted to help out. The only stipulation was that she got to drive first. This would prevent her form having to deal with unfamiliar roads, navigate the city of Jacksonville, or drive at night. None of these things bother me, so I took her up on the bargain and began the trip on the right-hand side of the car.

So from that perspective, let me reintroduce you to our cast of characters.

Our lovely chauffeur for the first watch


The guy in the first class cabin


And last and least: navigator… co-pilot… excess baggage… you’re choice.


We were on the road. Officially! It was vacation time. There was nothing left that was going to spoil the moment or get in the way. Well.. I wasn’t always looking in the rearview mirrors, but there was certainly nothing that I could see while looking out the windshield that was going to cause any problems.





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Just because I’d once again like to roll the next post up to the top of the next page… We now present a couple of random Disney images that I don’t have a better place for at this time.

Enjoy! (or not…)



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