Pay Toll with 20 bill or larger get detained - The DIS Discussion Forums

NYDisneyKid · 06-30-2011, 02:16 PM

Dont know if this was brought up on here (as I dont read every single thread or post) but from what the links below says it really happens.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/can-...ike-toolbooth/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...-bills/1160285

Lewisc · 06-30-2011, 02:24 PM

Most ATMS only give out $20 bills. I've never been asked for ID or detained at a store when paying with a $20. Absolutely no reason why the toll takers can't be trained on identifying counterfeit bills.

jlewisinsyr · 06-30-2011, 03:23 PM

I think the use of the word "detained" is a little blown out of proporition. They are asking for general information provided on an identification card (Name, Address), but they are not taking anyone into custody.

I can understand the privacy issue and the general issue at hand, but I think the guy is trying to make a name for himself more then anything (15 minutes of fame anyone?).

DVC-Don · 06-30-2011, 03:59 PM

Same thing happens here in NY at the toll booths if you attempt to pay with anything larger than a $20. Where I work we will not take anything over a $20 without documenting who it came from. Too many counterfeits.

NYDisneyKid · 06-30-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jlewisinsyr

I think the use of the word "detained" is a little blown out of proporition. They are asking for general information provided on an identification card (Name, Address), but they are not taking anyone into custody.

I can understand the privacy issue and the general issue at hand, but I think the guy is trying to make a name for himself more then anything (15 minutes of fame anyone?).

he asked "am i being detained?" and the toll booth operator said "yes". i would think detained and custody are two different things

spd3483 · 06-30-2011, 04:49 PM

If a person just feels they not free to leave, you are being detained. If you are detained, then Miranda (Your rights) would apply. These days, it does not take much for a person to feel that they are not free to leave. The courts have strict rules on this. If the toll operator tells someone they are not free to leave, the person is technically being detained. At this point and normally, law enforcement would be involved and already at the beginning stages of an investigation. If the toll operator tells someone they are not free to leave and then calls law enforcement to begin their investigation, then one would have to decide if it is worth fighting. At that point, it would be up to someone to take the situation to the district courts and obtain a decision. Then you start getting into interputation of the constitution. But the moral to the story is that if someone is not free to leave, they are being detained.

bumbershoot · 06-30-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spd3483

If a person just feels they not free to leave, you are being detained. If you are detained, then Miranda (Your rights) would apply. These days, it does not take much for a person to feel that they are not free to leave. The courts have strict rules on this. If the toll operator tells someone they are not free to leave, the person is technically being detained.

The guy LOVES the word "detain". Both articles said that HE uses the word, and the toll person has said yes. Most people don't think about the words they are using, and probably don't realize that it's a touchy word.

If I go to a Subway sandwich shop and pay with a bill larger than they are OK with, I cannot leave with my sandwich b/c I haven't yet paid. This guy can't leave and continue forward, because he hasn't paid until they feel comfortable with his money. (bet he could turn around if they have a turnaround spot, though) They are having him wait until he has finished *paying* before being allowed to continue on his way.

He could have said "are you asking me to wait?" and they would have said "yes", but he's *choosing* to use the word "detain" to make some ridiculous point in his mind.

What a doof. They just want to be PAID, which means being paid with money they feel comfortable in saying is real, or having a way of contacting him (probably through the police) if it's not.

seashoreCM · 07-01-2011, 05:41 AM

The various links above include comments about "it's legal money". But at the moment the toll clerk does not know whether it is really legal money.

I suppose you would be free to leave while the clerk keeps the bill and promises to send you the change. Now you would have to give your name and address so the clerk knows whom to send the change (in the form of a check) to.

At one time (before eBay was invented) I was selling things through newspaper want ads and had this notion of having buyers paying with large bills fill out a form I had prepared and sign it and give it to me. The form would have the serial numbers of the bills I wrote in, and a statement "under the pains and penalties of perjury" that the bills are genuine.

"No, you are not being detained but you may not move your car onto the road beyond this (he points with his finger) point until we have been paid.)

Lewisc · 07-01-2011, 07:42 AM

A lot of stores are careful when accepting a $100 or even a $50 bill. Have you ever had a cashier at Subway (or any other store) have an issue with a $20 bill? They're trained to look at it. Use a pen. Hold it up to the light. Whatever the process is to verify the bill. Have you ever had a cashier at any store ask for your name and address when using a $20 bill for payment?

The toll collectors were starting to have issues with $5 bills.

I can tell the cashier at Subway no thanks and leave the store without my sandwich. I don't think I can back up out of the toll lane and make a U Turn.

Cashiers who accept money are trained how to spot counterfeit bills. A business accepts the risk that a few bills may slip through.

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Originally Posted by bumbershoot

If I go to a Subway sandwich shop and pay with a bill larger than they are OK with, I cannot leave with my sandwich b/c I haven't yet paid. This guy can't leave and continue forward, because he hasn't paid until they feel comfortable with his money. (bet he could turn around if they have a turnaround spot, though) They are having him wait until he has finished *paying* before being allowed to continue on his way.

The clerk should be trained on how to spot counterfeit money. If I was paying with a $20 bill, or lower, I'd turn on my flashers, take a picture of the toll collector and patiently wait for my change. Would you please pull over there. No sir, I just want my change so I can be on my way. I would keep saying something like all I want is my change.''

The driver offered payment. The toll taker didn't raise the gate. Sounds like he's being illegally detained.

Florida toll roads are horrible. We have exit ramps used by tourists which only accept exact change. We now have toll takers who don't like $5 bills.

Quote:

The various links above include comments about "it's legal money". But at the moment the toll clerk does not know whether it is really legal money.

I suppose you would be free to leave while the clerk keeps the bill and promises to send you the change. Now you would have to give your name and address so the clerk knows whom to send the change (in the form of a check) to.

At one time (before eBay was invented) I was selling things through newspaper want ads and had this notion of having buyers paying with large bills fill out a form I had prepared and sign it and give it to me. The form would have the serial numbers of the bills I wrote in, and a statement "under the pains and penalties of perjury" that the bills are genuine.

"No, you are not being detained but you may not move your car onto the road beyond this (he points with his finger) point until we have been paid.)

KINGBOBOFTHENORTH · 07-02-2011, 06:04 PM

A private store may rightly refuse to accept your money if they're not convinced that the money is genuine. You don't get to keep what you're buying and you can walk out.

The problem here is that the law does not allow you to back up and leave, you're not allowed to proceed forward because that's against the law too, so you're stuck and forced to give your personal information. And the toll roads are owned by governmental or quasi-governmental agencies. So indeed, you are being detained.

BobK/Orlando

06-30-2011, 02:16 PM	#1
NYDisneyKid Expedition Everest Record Holder Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: minutes from WDW Posts: 2,442	Pay Toll with 20 bill or larger get detained Dont know if this was brought up on here (as I dont read every single thread or post) but from what the links below says it really happens. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/can-...ike-toolbooth/ http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...-bills/1160285 __________________

06-30-2011, 03:23 PM	#3
jlewisinsyr DIS Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 6,448	I think the use of the word "detained" is a little blown out of proporition. They are asking for general information provided on an identification card (Name, Address), but they are not taking anyone into custody. I can understand the privacy issue and the general issue at hand, but I think the guy is trying to make a name for himself more then anything (15 minutes of fame anyone?). __________________ : (33) : (35)

06-30-2011, 03:59 PM	#4
DVC-Don DIS Veteran Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Saratoga County, New York and Poinciana (Solivita), Florida in the winters Posts: 6,768	Same thing happens here in NY at the toll booths if you attempt to pay with anything larger than a $20. Where I work we will not take anything over a $20 without documenting who it came from. Too many counterfeits. __________________ Too many WDW visits to count now that I live nearby part time, 1 DL trip & 3 DCL sailings.

07-01-2011, 05:41 AM	#8
seashoreCM All around nice guy. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 20,602	The various links above include comments about "it's legal money". But at the moment the toll clerk does not know whether it is really legal money. I suppose you would be free to leave while the clerk keeps the bill and promises to send you the change. Now you would have to give your name and address so the clerk knows whom to send the change (in the form of a check) to. At one time (before eBay was invented) I was selling things through newspaper want ads and had this notion of having buyers paying with large bills fill out a form I had prepared and sign it and give it to me. The form would have the serial numbers of the bills I wrote in, and a statement "under the pains and penalties of perjury" that the bills are genuine. "No, you are not being detained but you may not move your car onto the road beyond this (he points with his finger) point until we have been paid.) __________________ Last Disney trip: December 2010. So you are protesting "... under God, ..." in the Pledge of Allegiance? (WRKO News) One school in Colorado did the pledge with "under God" replaced with "under Allah".

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06-30-2011, 02:24 PM	#2
Lewisc DIS Veteran Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 17,610	Most ATMS only give out $20 bills. I've never been asked for ID or detained at a store when paying with a $20. Absolutely no reason why the toll takers can't be trained on identifying counterfeit bills.

06-30-2011, 04:49 PM	#6
spd3483 Earning My Ears Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 28	If a person just feels they not free to leave, you are being detained. If you are detained, then Miranda (Your rights) would apply. These days, it does not take much for a person to feel that they are not free to leave. The courts have strict rules on this. If the toll operator tells someone they are not free to leave, the person is technically being detained. At this point and normally, law enforcement would be involved and already at the beginning stages of an investigation. If the toll operator tells someone they are not free to leave and then calls law enforcement to begin their investigation, then one would have to decide if it is worth fighting. At that point, it would be up to someone to take the situation to the district courts and obtain a decision. Then you start getting into interputation of the constitution. But the moral to the story is that if someone is not free to leave, they are being detained.

07-02-2011, 06:04 PM	#10
KINGBOBOFTHENORTH DIS Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orlando, Florida USA Posts: 2,840	A private store may rightly refuse to accept your money if they're not convinced that the money is genuine. You don't get to keep what you're buying and you can walk out. The problem here is that the law does not allow you to back up and leave, you're not allowed to proceed forward because that's against the law too, so you're stuck and forced to give your personal information. And the toll roads are owned by governmental or quasi-governmental agencies. So indeed, you are being detained. BobK/Orlando