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Old 12-23-2012, 11:37 PM   #391
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Had to laugh at them and the way they travel. Thyself my family and there is only 4 of us lol

Hearing about their religion was interesting but I'm totally confused. So many names I'm gonna have to watch again to get it straight

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Old 12-24-2012, 01:02 AM   #392
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There's a really old book called The 19th Wife by one of Brigham Young's wives that gives a whole different view on the start of the church and polygamy. It was interesting watching the show and how they present why Joseph Smith was killed.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:35 AM   #393
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What does the 19th wife say? Can you sum it up?
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What does the 19th wife say? Can you sum it up?
Basically they were run out of Missouri for stealing and cheating their neighbors. They went to Illinois and started that community but were up to the same thing. Anyone not part of their religion was fair game to be cheated on business dealings and they were stealing from others who weren't of their religion. Polygamy wasn't discussed openly until they moved to Utah where it was made basically mandatory. The women hated it but were given no choice as it was dictated by their "prophet". It was only through "celestial marriage" that they could go to heaven.

I'm not sure that the murder of Joseph Smith was so much about Polygamy as it was about the church's practices at that time. It was very cult-like. If you look up the book - look for the one by Ann Eliza Young - that's the original. There is another one done recently, but I was referencing the original one done in the late 1800's. She did divorce Brigham Young so I guess you have to take it with a grain of salt but there are some pretty awful things that happened in that time period with the blessings of the church. I found it very interesting reading as my husband's ancestors were involved with the church at that time and were polygamists.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:43 AM   #395
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Very interesting

I found it interesting that they mentioned métis great great grandfather but don't say who he was other then his name Robyn's Herat grandfather or whoever he was - was the lawyer trying to get him out but who was Meris great grandfather?

It's strange that mention of him would be important as a bystander since they didn't say he was a witness or anything why would it be important to mention except for the show
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Didn't they say that Robin's ancestor was a lawyer that was trying to get him released?
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:56 AM   #397
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I thought that Kody acted like a jerk thru much of that trip. He wanted to bark orders and have them obeyed? LOL- take a nap if you're cranky! I also didn't like how he was 'accusing' Christine of being a princess or told Merri to have a baby so she can stay at the hotel - this one time it didn't look like she was whinning about anything!

I too do not get the whole reason she's being so stubborn about 'extras' on the house. I believe she has to have a larger house because that's all that is offered on the lot they bought. Correct me if I am wrong- but I thought Mormons don't drink? Why does she need a wet bar? And the not wanting sliding glass doors is just nuts. Get over yourself- compromise is part of being a family and you should put some of your budget there for the other families- especially for extras like an extra bedroom or bathroom or extended kitchens since they have large families.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:58 AM   #398
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Yes I said that but who was meris? Why mention him

I'm sure a majority of morons are related to the brothers and top leaders. They had 50 or 60 kids each

I'd like to know the actual reason behind plural marriage cause if its for kids you don't have to have multi wives to have a dozen or so kids. Ask the duggers
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Yes I said that but who was meris? Why mention him

I'm sure a majority of morons are related to the brothers and top leaders. They had 50 or 60 kids each

I'd like to know the actual reason behind plural marriage cause if its for kids you don't have to have multi wives to have a dozen or so kids. Ask the duggers
They mentioned the name of Meri's but I don't remember why he was significant. Probably might be if you were familiar with the church?

Well according to Ann Eliza Young it was basically a way for the mormon leaders to legitimize have "relations" with multiple women. Or in some cases to take advantage of women that were widowed and get control of their property. At least she implies that. Of course that meant that all of the followers were basically forced to also take on multiple wives whether they wanted to or not. She talks about her own family's struggle as her father had to take on a second wife and how hurtful it was to her mother. Most of these additional wives were left to fend for themselves. They did not necessarily live in large family compounds. They were place on a farm or in a home and their husband would visit occasionally but the women shouldered the brunt of the work.
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The guide said that Smith took other men's wives while they were still married.. I keep getting a Jeffers (I think that is his name) vibe for Smith.
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The guide said that Smith took other men's wives while they were still married.. I keep getting a Jeffers (I think that is his name) vibe for Smith.
Ann Young talks about that in her book. According to her, Smith basically had an affair with the woman and called it a "celestial marriage". In the book I believe it claimed that the woman's husband was not against it since it enabled him to get in with Smith's inner circle. Those men that ran the church basically used all of the money coming in to live very comfortably.
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Well my whole opinion of this episode was that it was unnecessary to drag allllllll those children there to see Joseph Smith's roots. Really, how many of them got anything out of that trip?

It was wayyyy too much traveling for that number of people in such close quarters.

Also why did this show start with Janelle saying something along the lines of having thoughts from time to time of just LEAVING??? Hmm!

They need to do age appropriate trips for the kiddos. Trips the older kids would like which would NOT include the younger ones and trips for the younger kids that the older kids would NOT be interested in.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:43 PM   #403
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My mom pulled that kind of vacation when me and my sisters were in high school. My parents rented a RV and we traveled to the Eastern states. My mom took us to Shrines and made us pray when we got there. We started pretending we were sleeping and wouldn't come out of the RV. After the 3rd one my dad pulled out a tv he snuck in and we were able to pull in tv stations with the rabbit ears.

After 3 days, we got some tour books at reststops and found things to do.


I am surprised only Cody flipped out and none of the kids protested.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:07 AM   #404
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I watch this show and like others have said, it's like a train wreck. You shouldn't watch but you can't help yourself.

I also watched and was a big fan of BIG LOVE on HBO.

I am just fascinated by the whole Polygamy thing. I have read numerous books on Polygamy and polygamist families. I have read the 19th Wife, the original and the new one. Loved them.

I sort of admire the strength of these women because I could never share my husband.

Of course I would LOVE to have a sister wife to help cook and clean and do laundry and watch the kids, but the part about sharing my husband is what I couldn't do. It hurts my feelings just to think about it. And I sure wouldn't share him 4 ways. I would be too jealous to deal with that.

I guess if you make yourself you can get use to anything eventually and if this is your religion and you GENUINELY believe that to get into heaven this is the lifestyle that you have to live, it might make it easier or might make it make more sense.

But I know they are stronger women than I am because I couldn't do it.

I also looked at the stuff they are selling on their website and even though the show is very popular I don't really see them selling very much of that over-priced cheap looking jewelry.

ANd nothing about how they dress makes me inclined to think they could sell clothing and handbags (which says is coming soon on the website) I don't think I would ever buy any of it.

The only thing I saw that was even remotely cute was the charm necklace and it was almost $300.

On the episode where it shows them launching the website they basically admitted that they priced the stuff really high because they need to make money to pay for those 4 homes.

I don't understand how they have been able to even keep supporting themselves unless they are making good bank off what the show pays them per episode. Unless Janelle and Kody both had big 401K accounts from the jobs they left in Utah.

Because how can they get approved for 4 house loans with nobody working and no income coming in? They could if they had a multi year signed contract with the network to keep making the show. But they didn't discuss what documents they provided to get that approval. And Robin had really bad credit. They performed some really fast magic to get her credit cleared up and got her approved for a house quicker than anybody else in real life could have.

Usually you can find out how much per episode shows pay but I can't find any real info about how much TLC pays the Browns. This is their second season after a very high rated first season so there is no telling how much they are getting from the show.

I really like the show but I will say that I will be irked if Kody goes trawling for a 5th wife and ends up marrying another one any time soon.

I know I read something before about the ideal number of wives being 7. I am not sure if that was the original info or if that is the fundamentalist info.

I'm disappointed that this Sunday's episode is the season finale. The season seemed so short.

edited to add: I read back a few pages of posts from the end here back and now see someone else saying something about 4 seasons ago on this show. I must have missed a few seasons then because I have only seen last season and this season I think. I am only on the second season. If there were 4 seasons I missed a lot.

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Yes I said that but who was meris? Why mention him

I'm sure a majority of morons are related to the brothers and top leaders. They had 50 or 60 kids each

I'd like to know the actual reason behind plural marriage cause if its for kids you don't have to have multi wives to have a dozen or so kids. Ask the duggers
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