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Old 02-28-2011, 04:11 PM   #31
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New DVC members in April 10. We bought in with plans to do S-Th exclusively to save on points. With the reallocation, we do need 10 - 15 more points for our Studio stays. However, we are still working our way around the resorts, and our BLT points go a long way at OKW. I have noticed that there is usually a lot more activities/shows during the weekends, and with our vacation habit, we are missing them. Once our planned S-Th vacations through 2012 are through, we will be reevaluating our travel/days to stay plans. So for 'value' added vacation content, this may be a good thing for us.

I especially liked the comment on doing a fewer 'longer' trips vs. more 'shorter' trips can actually be more economical once travel time/costs are factored in.

We can live the recent point reallocation and we're glad they didn't change anything for 2012. We have 160 pts at BLT, and DW and I are able to get in 2 - 3 trips a year through 2013. We're pacing our trips to maximize AP usage, so in essence we are taking a year off between a year of trips. This way our point volume builds back up for efficient planning.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:48 PM   #32
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As someone that stayed weekends, in Magic season, I was glad to see the imbalance distributed more evenly.

Weekend guests were paying significantly more for villas and were bearing those costs unfairly. More points, more dues.
Yes, I do agree with what you say. It really was not fair that the weekends were so much higher. But members who always booked weekends purchased the points that they needed to do the vacations they planned on.

People such as myself and the OP purchased points that we believed would allow us to vacation as we planned with the points we bought. And now we can't. At our resort (VWL) they not only added points to the S-TH stays, they also added the more points to the 1 BR (and not as many to the studio or 2 BR). We added on to our original purchase to always be able to stay in a 1 BR. Thanks DVC.

And we will not buy any more points. Sounds like cutting off nose to spite face, but DVC has lost it's glow for us. Cutting back is going to work out too. It is just irritating.
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:00 PM   #33
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The problem is, as Muuska said, people were buying the points they thought they needed. They did not consider any possible reallocations, and bought "just enough" based on the point chart at time of purchase. The error, of course, was that they did not understand that the charts could, and probably would, change at some point as they did in 1996. They failed to realize that charts eventually would have to reflect any changes in usage patterns among members, as point based timeshares really need to strive to have very high occupancy 365 days a year, not just weekdays.

But, it is not Disney's responsibility to be sure you understand all the intricacies of the points based ownership, nor do they have time to cover everything in a sales tour...that is why Florida mandates a reasonable timeframe where you can read the documents and change your mind, even if you purchase resale.
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:36 PM   #34
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If Disney continues to increase the points needed to stay at the resorts I'm gonna end up selling and paying out of pocket and staying in a studio over at the value resorts.I'm being forced to choose a shorter vacation now or stay in studios instead of a 1 bedroom.We used to be able to do 2 vacations of 5 days at SSR in a 1 bedroom for around 200 points.Now they raised the points to stay every year since we've purchased DVC.My 2 vacations per year at SSR now costs more than the 200 points to stay in a 1 bedroom both times.Ive settled for a studio for out may trips and a 1 bedroom for out October trips.At this rate I'm gonna be stuck with a studio all the time if i want the 5 day vacations.Disney's excuse to my wife and I was that there's cheaper value priced rooms been added to AKV to compensate the rise at SSR and other resorts. This does nothing for me.I feel there slowly pulling the old bait and switch on us. And If I came out of pocket for the value resorts they will even give me free food most of the time!. DVC members get nada.Just a fancy monthly payment to be in the club.Does anyone else feel the same way?

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IMO that fact that you need more points to have the same vacation is a disappointment and it may make you upset. I feel your pain. Based on our vacation patterns, we also need more points to take that same vacation.

I doesn't matter that Disney is within their legal rights to move the required points around, or that you should have read your contract more closely and anticipated a change, or that you can vacation at a different time of year and not have to use more points, the end result is the same, Disney made a change and it negativity affected you, and for that I am sorry.

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Old 02-28-2011, 05:46 PM   #35
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We own SSR and love staying there, but if you want to stay in a one bedroom, there are other properties where you can get a one bedroom for less instead of staying in a studio. We have stayed at several of the properties and none disappoint.
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:25 AM   #36
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We purchased our 250 points based on the idea that we'd need 123 per week in "Magic" season for 2 weeks in a studio at SSR and which would leave a small handful to play with. This thinking would get us 2 full weeks there OR a combination of other stays (1 week in Magic + 2 long weekends in "cheaper" seasons etc). For us, the reallocations have meant that our 2 week plan in "magic" season has actually gone DOWN 3 points per week to only 120 points each which gives us an extra 10 points (those would cover a Sun-Th night in "adventure" season so we've actually gained the possibiliy of another night). We are resort hoppers and like to stay someplace different on each trip so we feel we still have a lot of flexibility when making our plans. I may sing a different song one day but for now we're still OK...
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:44 PM   #37
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The 2 point reallocations have hurt me, as have most of the changes to DVC since I purchased in 2000. Though I knew changes were possible, it doesn't make them easier to accept. I am one of those Sunday to Friday travelers and now my OKW points don't go as far. OKW now costs point wise for a 2br almost as much as the newer resorts. I wasn't happy with the $95 transfer fee either nor the loss of valet parking, it was nice to have when I needed it. However, the saving grace for me is that I still love OKW, and I'm close enough to Orlando to make it still work! I do understand your frustration!
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:51 PM   #38
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The problem is, as Muuska said, people were buying the points they thought they needed. They did not consider any possible reallocations, and bought "just enough" based on the point chart at time of purchase.
Unfortunately, that's the way it was sold to most people! Buy what you need to stay a week in Orlando and then enough again to stay a week in Vero to unwind! Great sales pitch, and yes it's not up to Disney to point out all of the possible negatives and they didn't!

What's the old saying, "buyer be ware"!
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:47 PM   #39
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We have owned at OKW since 1993 and the points value has never changed. In fact DVC guaranteed this in our contract. They did however say that dues would go up and that they reserved the right to alter the "seasons"
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We have owned at OKW since 1993 and the points value has never changed. In fact DVC guaranteed this in our contract. They did however say that dues would go up and that they reserved the right to alter the "seasons"
That's of course true for all resorts, but since DVC can "play" with the values within any given resort the point costs still can go up for someone if they always visit at the same time of the year (and for others it would go down obviously.

And if you are flexible enough, you can just follow the cheap seasons... :-)
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:16 PM   #41
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But, it is not Disney's responsibility to be sure you understand all the intricacies of the points based ownership, nor do they have time to cover everything in a sales tour...that is why Florida mandates a reasonable timeframe where you can read the documents and change your mind, even if you purchase resale.
It is a shame though that the very questions a future owner would ask in order to understand the intricacies of the contract have to be answered by strangers on a Net forum instead of DVC themselves.

What they do I am sure is legal, but it is not very ethical but hey when were timeshare salesmen ever ethical, right.
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The problem is, as Muuska said, people were buying the points they thought they needed. They did not consider any possible reallocations, and bought "just enough" based on the point chart at time of purchase.
Our family had been going to Disney every year since 86'. When we purchased BWV in 98', we decided to buy a considerable larger amount of points based on the idea that we wanted to be able to bringing our adult children and their families along with us to share Disney in the future with them. To date, we've have been fortunate to introduce all of our grandchildren to the wonderful magic that only Disney can offer, now that's priceless my friend!

IMHO, I'm glad that Disney realligned the points, it did need to be done. Both re-allignments didn't hurt me point wise, but I'm sorry that it did so many other people. Unfortunately when chages are made in anything, it usually helps some, and hurts others.
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It is a shame though that the very questions a future owner would ask in order to understand the intricacies of the contract have to be answered by strangers on a Net forum instead of DVC themselves.

What they do I am sure is legal, but it is not very ethical but hey when were timeshare salesmen ever ethical, right.
Overall many are ethical, many are not and DVD tends to be at the top of the quality ladder. But they are salespeople, that's what and how they approach things. Their job is to sell, not to make sure the purchase is right for you, to expect otherwise is unreasonable. It's almost exactly like a new car purchase and the sales staff similar if not much better at selling and make a LOT more money. Historically top sales staff income starts at around a quarter million and goes up, that might be different with the current economy for a while though. They will answer questions to the best of their ability. Most know the product itself well but are not that well versed on the intricacies or outside options.
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IMHO, I'm glad that Disney realligned the points, it did need to be done. Both re-allignments didn't hurt me point wise, but I'm sorry that it did so many other people. Unfortunately when chages are made in anything, it usually helps some, and hurts others.
It did hurt me and it was still the right thing to do.
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There has been ANOTHER point allocation THIS year???

How'd I miss that?
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