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Old 01-25-2011, 09:27 PM   #31
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After 18 months of protests, thousands of calls and e-mails, and appearances outside Brookstone stores by our giant "frog," Brookstone has finally decided to pull a cruel product called the "Frog-O-Sphere" from its shelves!

PETA started campaigning against the tiny plastic frog prisons after receiving complaints from Brookstone customers and after a whistleblower reported that frogs and snails housed in the tiny 4-inch-by-4-inch plastic boxes were neglected, deprived of veterinary care and adequate food, and kept in filthy water. The whistleblower told PETA that when frogs became obviously ill and "unsaleable," they were moved to the stores' storage rooms, where they often wasted away and died.

PETA's undercover investigation of Wild Creations—the company that came up with the idiotic idea of throwing two frogs and some gravel into a container smaller than a shoebox and leaving them there for their entire lives—revealed filthy conditions and deadly neglect. In some cases, frogs were so hungry that that they chewed each other's legs off.

Brookstone joins Magic Beans, Target, and other retailers that have stopped selling these cruel products, but Coach House Gifts is still selling frogs in "EcoAquariums" to make an easy buck. In one shipment to Coach House Gifts, 37 out of 40 frogs died after they were left in a container so long that they suffered from heat prostration. Please take a moment to urge the company to stop selling its deadly EcoAquariums.
Just to let you know, quoting PETA actually makes it much less likely that I will take anything you say seriuosly. Most people I know feel the same way .PETA has zero credability with many peole these days. They kill more animals than any other shelter. They would rather kill the dogs and cats in their care than rehome them. That is a deal breaker for me.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:29 PM   #32
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OP, I haven't seen frogs at Hallmark so I'm not sure if I'm familiar with the same kind of frog, but my younger sister bought one of those "Grow-a-Frog" kits at a toy store thinking it would be a cute pet. She ended up getting him a different aquarium because she thought he'd be happier in it. She has since grown up, gotten married and moved out, and my mother has inherited the frog since they were afraid he wouldn't survive a move. He's 22 years old now. My mother takes great care of him, feeding him and cleaning his aquarium every few days. She likes him, but I'm sure that if she knew how many years she'd be caring for him, she would have made sure that my sister went home from that store with something else instead.
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Old 01-25-2011, 10:48 PM   #33
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They are African claw frogs. We had one from a grow a frog kit. Named froggy. He loved to be 12 and we adored him! The males sing when they reach maturity. And boy did he sing every time he saw me. Sadly it was a little flattering.
he passed and we got 2 more so they would not be lonley...

UH HUH.... One was male and one was female. afte about 6mts they started mating I will spare you the details of that but lets say there was no doubt.
Called the pet store they said no worries the eggs will never come to fruition.
UUUHHH huh. came home to hundreds yes hundreds of eggs they kind of stick them to the side of the tank.
don't worry they are not fertilized.

UUUUHHHH HUH
We wound up with over a 200 or more tadpoles. called schools brought them to schools for life science lessons. found out that just like humans they mature at differant rates. So had to seperate them by size. At one point I had tanks all over my house. it got really weird here for a awhile.

Gave the babies to everyone. Ended up keeping about 10 or so? FYI we had to regular frogs to start and almost a third of the offspring were Albino.
When they were bigger than an ornage we gave them to the pet store to rehome. Mom and Dad died.
And i bought another frog... just one a male named Fernando.
Public service announcement. if you buy 2. Once they mature about 6mts. you can determine males from females. the males will get dark markings on the insides of the fore arms. and the front claws interior of feet will darken as well. females will not.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:03 AM   #34
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Just to let you know, quoting PETA actually makes it much less likely that I will take anything you say seriously. Most people I know feel the same way PETA has zero credibility with many people these days. They kill more animals than any other shelter. They would rather kill the dogs and cats in their care than re-home them. That is a deal breaker for me.
I don't believe anything PETA has to say anymore either. After I found out how the euthanize dogs and cats I was Disgusted and refuse to support anything they do now Unless I do my own research on it first.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:24 AM   #35
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That's a pretty funny story! Must have been agreat science lesson for your kids.

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They are African claw frogs. We had one from a grow a frog kit. Named froggy. He loved to be 12 and we adored him! The males sing when they reach maturity. And boy did he sing every time he saw me. Sadly it was a little flattering.
he passed and we got 2 more so they would not be lonley...

UH HUH.... One was male and one was female. afte about 6mts they started mating I will spare you the details of that but lets say there was no doubt.
Called the pet store they said no worries the eggs will never come to fruition.
UUUHHH huh. came home to hundreds yes hundreds of eggs they kind of stick them to the side of the tank.
don't worry they are not fertilized.

UUUUHHHH HUH
We wound up with over a 200 or more tadpoles. called schools brought them to schools for life science lessons. found out that just like humans they mature at differant rates. So had to seperate them by size. At one point I had tanks all over my house. it got really weird here for a awhile.

Gave the babies to everyone. Ended up keeping about 10 or so? FYI we had to regular frogs to start and almost a third of the offspring were Albino.
When they were bigger than an ornage we gave them to the pet store to rehome. Mom and Dad died.
And i bought another frog... just one a male named Fernando.
Public service announcement. if you buy 2. Once they mature about 6mts. you can determine males from females. the males will get dark markings on the insides of the fore arms. and the front claws interior of feet will darken as well. females will not.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:25 AM   #36
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I had thought about getting my nephews a frog tank from Brookstone (I was unaware of the controversy), but then read the warning on the box that amphibians can carry salmonella. So, I gave them Sea Monkeys instead, which was a very popular gift.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:28 AM   #37
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I had thought about getting my nephews a frog tank from Brookstone (I was unaware of the controversy), but then read the warning on the box that amphibians can carry salmonella. So, I gave them Sea Monkeys instead, which was a very popular gift.
Hey, Sea Monkeys are people, too!

Nah, j/k. They're cool.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:37 AM   #38
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Speaking of pets living long lives...

My aunt has a macaw (or parrot?...not sure which) that is at least 56 years old, the family has owned "Stella" since she was a baby.

And I had no idea frogs could live such long lives.

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They are African claw frogs. We had one from a grow a frog kit. Named froggy. He loved to be 12 and we adored him! The males sing when they reach maturity. And boy did he sing every time he saw me. Sadly it was a little flattering.
he passed and we got 2 more so they would not be lonley...

UH HUH.... One was male and one was female. afte about 6mts they started mating I will spare you the details of that but lets say there was no doubt.
Called the pet store they said no worries the eggs will never come to fruition.
UUUHHH huh. came home to hundreds yes hundreds of eggs they kind of stick them to the side of the tank.
don't worry they are not fertilized.

UUUUHHHH HUH
We wound up with over a 200 or more tadpoles. called schools brought them to schools for life science lessons. found out that just like humans they mature at differant rates. So had to seperate them by size. At one point I had tanks all over my house. it got really weird here for a awhile.

Gave the babies to everyone. Ended up keeping about 10 or so? FYI we had to regular frogs to start and almost a third of the offspring were Albino.
When they were bigger than an ornage we gave them to the pet store to rehome. Mom and Dad died.
And i bought another frog... just one a male named Fernando.
Public service announcement. if you buy 2. Once they mature about 6mts. you can determine males from females. the males will get dark markings on the insides of the fore arms. and the front claws interior of feet will darken as well. females will not.
Thank you for the very informative post, I am guessing now that ours were maybe two females, I do not recall any dark markings on them nor did we ever have any eggs or population explosion....I had to laugh reading about your tanks all over the house since when I was a young girl we had the same thing with our guppies
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Well Andrea, against my better judgement ( and because the only thing on tv is the President) I am going to reply:

I stated SILLY because the OP had one question and made one statement - they questioned the type of frog and the plastic tank as it's environment as not being conducive. A simple question - not a fuel sparking debate about the unethical treatment of frogs. The OP just wanted to know what the frogs were that their DS wanted.

So no, I did not state a fact was silly and had no such suggested condescending attitude - just wanted to tell what kind of frogs they are.

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My intention was not to spark a debate. The OP asked a question and I gave my information. And, though you may not have meant it, your post was in fact condescending, beginning with the word 'silly' in all caps.


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I don't believe anything PETA has to say anymore either. After I found out how the euthanize dogs and cats I was Disgusted and refuse to support anything they do now Unless I do my own research on it first.
Because a company made mistakes does not invalidate all of their other research. I agree they lost their sheen for me as well, but their research is solid and backed by witnesses and videos. As far as the frog-o-spheres are concerned, I know the truth, and felt anyone else considering these deserved it as well.

But just in case, here is one more article from a Florida newpaper that came to the same conclusion about these animals:

OC Weekly - Local animal activists have joined a national campaign blasting gadgets store Brookstone, Inc., which has five Orange County locations, for selling a most unusual gift: the "Frog-O-Sphere Ecosystem" with two live African dwarf frogs.

Saying that Kermit-Mutumbos are "imprisoned in tiny tanks next to gadgets and other gift items at hundreds of mall locations around the country," the latest alert from Orange County People for Animals (OCPA) alleges Brookstone "misinforms customers about the sensitive needs of these wild animals, who are destined to spend their entire lives circling endlessly in plastic prisons."

"These animals are native to tropical and sub-tropical Africa, where they spend their time swimming and playing in shallow water in the forest," OCPA continues. "African dwarf frogs can live for five to 18 years, but Brookstone callously offers a one-year warranty on their lives."


And here is a video of the Suppliers of the frogs, Wild Creations.
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Yeah, I was just wondering what kind of frogs they were so I could do some research.
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Yeah, I was just wondering what kind of frogs they were so I could do some research.
Yeah, I did a bit of the research for you.
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We used to do a science unit called "Animal Studies" throught STC Carolina(Science and Technology for Children) in which the students studied Fiddler Crabs, African Dwarf Frogs and Snails or Centipedes.
We kept them in shoebox sized tanks with gravel on the bottom. There were plants in the water for them to hang out in if they wanted. Some of them lasted a long time. The kids got to take them home after the unit was done and I had a few kids that would come back and tell me their frog or crab was still alive after they left my class.

Our 3rd graders now have the animal studies unit and they raise crayfish.

Our 6th graders get Madagascar hissing Cockroaches each year. I am glad that I don't teach 6th grade every time I pass by one of those classrooms.
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OP, they are called African Dwarf Frogs- not to be confused with African Clawed Frogs which get much larger. They sell them at PetSmart, Petco, etc.
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Had to go look on You Tube, how very odd.

BTW, the kids doing the video taping are just too cute!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_ixow1reXw&NR=1
Cute! My kids talk to the animals/creatures too!

Thanks for sharing the link.
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