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Old 01-20-2011, 12:22 AM   #136
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I wondered this too. Big Thunder Mountain being the most like this and its in the same park.
This is why I thought that the Mine ride would be a slow moving one, for todlers. Otherwise, why not just retheme Goofy's barnstormer into the new mine ride?

It seems really silly to build a new ride that's:
1. Similar to another (barnstorme/goofini) in type of ride
2. Similar to another (BTMR) in theme

And both of the other rides are in the same park!

Plus: they'll be using SW music. I don't see how ANY of the SW songs fits with a fast moving ride. (The Snow White Rock and Roller Coaster?)

None of the rides in Fantasyland have height requirements.

No one in their right mind would make a Snow White ride 2 yr olds can't go on!

Little kid: "Mommy, I wanna go on Snow White!"
Mom: "Sorry, Snow White is for the big kids now."
Little kid: "But, I went on last time!'
Mom: "That was Snow White's scary ride. This is the Snow White ride that isn't scary, so you can't go on."
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:58 AM   #137
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I still maintain a Prince Phillip knight/Dragon slayer show similar to Jedi Training or POTC pirate tutorial is a great idea. I'd love to take credit for it, but that was my 11 1/2 year olds' brain child. They could sell a lot of shields & swords. It could culminate in a meet n greet w/Philip, Aurora, Maleficient, and/or 3 good fairies.

Sorry, but Sleeping Beauty is a personal favorite & I'm completely biased.

And I'm sure the Snow White coaster will be cool & a visual delight. Imagineers rarely disappoint.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:26 AM   #138
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This is why I thought that the Mine ride would be a slow moving one, for todlers. Otherwise, why not just retheme Goofy's barnstormer into the new mine ride?

It seems really silly to build a new ride that's:
1. Similar to another (barnstorme/goofini) in type of ride
2. Similar to another (BTMR) in theme

And both of the other rides are in the same park!

Plus: they'll be using SW music. I don't see how ANY of the SW songs fits with a fast moving ride. (The Snow White Rock and Roller Coaster?)

None of the rides in Fantasyland have height requirements.

No one in their right mind would make a Snow White ride 2 yr olds can't go on!

Little kid: "Mommy, I wanna go on Snow White!"
Mom: "Sorry, Snow White is for the big kids now."
Little kid: "But, I went on last time!'
Mom: "That was Snow White's scary ride. This is the Snow White ride that isn't scary, so you can't go on."

VERY well put. That's why I think this will definitely be something for ALL ages. Someone linked an online news source that referred to it as a "moderately intense" coaster. I'm still perplexed by the use of the term "intense" at all. As much as I love coasters, putting something in the very heart of Fantasyland that the little kids can't ride just doesn't make sense all.

And your description above in the bolded section sums it up perfectly. If it's too intense for little kids, I think they will definitely have made a mistake here.

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I still maintain a Prince Phillip knight/Dragon slayer show similar to Jedi Training or POTC pirate tutorial is a great idea. I'd love to take credit for it, but that was my 11 1/2 year olds' brain child. They could sell a lot of shields & swords. It could culminate in a meet n greet w/Philip, Aurora, Maleficient, and/or 3 good fairies.

Sorry, but Sleeping Beauty is a personal favorite & I'm completely biased.

And I'm sure the Snow White coaster will be cool & a visual delight. Imagineers rarely disappoint.
I think that would be cool too, and certainly would fit in their desire to have the attractions be themed for male Fantasyland characters........ ...... but I think with the Pirate Tutorial already in the park and Jedi Training at DHS they are on the verge of overdoing this.

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Old 01-20-2011, 08:13 AM   #139
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This is why I thought that the Mine ride would be a slow moving one, for todlers. Otherwise, why not just retheme Goofy's barnstormer into the new mine ride?

It seems really silly to build a new ride that's:
1. Similar to another (barnstorme/goofini) in type of ride
2. Similar to another (BTMR) in theme

And both of the other rides are in the same park!

Plus: they'll be using SW music. I don't see how ANY of the SW songs fits with a fast moving ride. (The Snow White Rock and Roller Coaster?)

None of the rides in Fantasyland have height requirements.

No one in their right mind would make a Snow White ride 2 yr olds can't go on!

Little kid: "Mommy, I wanna go on Snow White!"
Mom: "Sorry, Snow White is for the big kids now."
Little kid: "But, I went on last time!'
Mom: "That was Snow White's scary ride. This is the Snow White ride that isn't scary, so you can't go on."
I agree! Making a Snow White ride in Fantasyland that may be too intense for kids to go on is a mistake! I don't even like the Barnstormer, so I guess I might not be riding the new Snow White ride very much, which makes me sad because she is one of my favorites!
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:20 AM   #140
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From what I'm reading, there doesn't seem to be a real timeline yet for any of this, other than the closures. I hate to ask specifics, but we're planning our trip for this Sept and now I'm wondering whether my sons favorite ride (The Barnstormer) will be open. While I know just being at DisneyWorld is amazing in and of itself, I know he would be disappointed. Does anyone have any ideas or in for on what might be open/closed in Sept 2011?
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From what I'm reading, there doesn't seem to be a real timeline yet for any of this, other than the closures. I hate to ask specifics, but we're planning our trip for this Sept and now I'm wondering whether my sons favorite ride (The Barnstormer) will be open. While I know just being at DisneyWorld is amazing in and of itself, I know he would be disappointed. Does anyone have any ideas or in for on what might be open/closed in Sept 2011?
I'm not sure if Barnstormer will close when Toontown closes in February.

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So, here's a thought I had. What is the Dwarf Mine-Ride is similar to Crush's Coaster at Disneyland Resort Paris? The key difference being that the ride vehicles on Crush spin slowly around in circles, whereas the mine carts shimmy and sway from side to side. But, and here's where I see the link: indoor and outdoor sections (more outdoor than CC, which I think is great), combination of coaster and dark ride elements, music. So if you scale back the intensity level of CC you have what I expect the mine coaster to be. An awesome opportunity to really show off what makes imagineering so great, combining story and (moderate) excitement.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:17 AM   #143
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So, here's a thought I had. What is the Dwarf Mine-Ride is similar to Crush's Coaster at Disneyland Resort Paris? The key difference being that the ride vehicles on Crush spin slowly around in circles, whereas the mine carts shimmy and sway from side to side. But, and here's where I see the link: indoor and outdoor sections (more outdoor than CC, which I think is great), combination of coaster and dark ride elements, music. So if you scale back the intensity level of CC you have what I expect the mine coaster to be. An awesome opportunity to really show off what makes imagineering so great, combining story and (moderate) excitement.
You might be on to something.

I can't imagine them just laying out another coaster since Barnstormer would be so close... it would spoil the landscape!
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:22 AM   #144
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any Idea on Tiana an Naveen's last day in Liberty Square? I have a feeling she will be in the expo hall M&G but that would start to get crowded between the three other ladies and the two mice.

Also, I AM GONNA MISS NAVEEN! hate to see him go...
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Just wondering where everyone is getting the information that the new Dwarf ride will be a coaster like Barnstormer?

The announcement specifically calls it "The Seven Dwarfs Mine Train" - no mention of the word "coaster"

If anything it might be no more intense that the existing Snow White ride.

I just think there is just such a specific goal of Fantasy Land to be for all ages (no height restrictions, etc) that I would be surprised if 99.9% of kids would be ok with the ride
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From what I'm reading, there doesn't seem to be a real timeline yet for any of this, other than the closures. I hate to ask specifics, but we're planning our trip for this Sept and now I'm wondering whether my sons favorite ride (The Barnstormer) will be open. While I know just being at DisneyWorld is amazing in and of itself, I know he would be disappointed. Does anyone have any ideas or in for on what might be open/closed in Sept 2011?
The Barnstormer is part of Toontown so it will be closing. They are rethemeing it...
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How about add something that has to do with Sleeping Beauty and take away the BatB or LTM show.
the music. the music in both BATB and TLM is wonderful. i know there is music in SB, but it just is not the same.
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How about add something that has to do with Sleeping Beauty and take away the BatB or LTM show.
Both BatB and LM are from the heyday of Disney musical animation. The music in the original princess movies is classic to be sure, but just doesn't compare when it comes to quality/complexity and, for current audiences, familiarity. We have a Disney Classics songbook in our piano bench that is mostly music from Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Mary Poppins, etc. and the kids seldom get it out. The sheet music for BatB, on the other hand, is shall we say well-loved (wearing out!).

If they decide to close BatB when the new section at MK opens, my money would be on a Mary Poppins show replacing it since that is the currently unrepresented Disney Broadway musical. And it would fit very well - better than any of the princesses - with the overall theme and atmosphere of DHS.
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So, here's a thought I had. What is the Dwarf Mine-Ride is similar to Crush's Coaster at Disneyland Resort Paris? The key difference being that the ride vehicles on Crush spin slowly around in circles, whereas the mine carts shimmy and sway from side to side. But, and here's where I see the link: indoor and outdoor sections (more outdoor than CC, which I think is great), combination of coaster and dark ride elements, music. So if you scale back the intensity level of CC you have what I expect the mine coaster to be. An awesome opportunity to really show off what makes imagineering so great, combining story and (moderate) excitement.
This is also the impression I am getting of what it's going to be like. You'll also notice if you look at the concept art that the ride doesn't look very tall, so there doesn't appear to be any large drops or even a lift hill. This leads me to believe it will be more of a dark ride with coaster elements, then a coaster with dark ride elements, if that makes any sense.
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I'm not sure if Barnstormer will close when Toontown closes in February.

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The Mice and Princesses will ultimately end up in Expo, but not for a couple more months. In the mean time, they'll be found throughout other MK areas. Fairies are off to Epcot.

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any Idea on Tiana an Naveen's last day in Liberty Square? I have a feeling she will be in the expo hall M&G but that would start to get crowded between the three other ladies and the two mice.

Also, I AM GONNA MISS NAVEEN! hate to see him go...
Tiana is not part of the group at Expo, so no worries yet. She is not expected to move until the new Princess Fairytale Hall opens (likely to be in 2013 as a Snow White Closure date has yet to be announced).

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