Ths DIS is a great place to ask Disney Cruise Line questions and share tips.
Dreams Unlimited Travel - The official sponsor of the Disney Cruise Forums Dreams Unlimited Travel - the official sponsor of the Disney Cruise Forums  

Go Back   The DIS Discussion Forums - DISboards.com > Disney Cruise Line > Disney Cruise Line Forum
Find Hotel Specials & DIScounts
 
facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS UpdatesDIS email updates
Register Chat FAQ Tickers Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-11-2010, 03:12 PM   #1
prittfamily98
Mouseketeer
 
prittfamily98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Mary Esther, FLorida
Posts: 85

Mentally disabled children

Our family is cruising Feb 12-19,2011. I have an mentally disabled DD who will be 18 at the time of cruise. She is 9yo mentality.
Is She going to be allowed access to the kids area?? Is she going to be able to have fun on the cruise?? Video games and computers and all Disney shows are her favorite.
What is the policy for special needs kids?? Can she stay with her 12yo and 9 yo siblings?? Can the 12 accompany her to the teen area?? My 12 yo DD is not your typical 12yo. She is in 8th grade.
HELP!
(my 9yo DS is going to be happy at the kids club whether his sisters are there or not)
ANY ADVICE PLEASE...
The DCL people on the phone were no help at all.
__________________
99-All Star Sports;2003-Disneyland; 2004-Wilderness Lodge; 2006-Polynesian; 2007-Port Orleans Riverside;2008-Wilderness Cabins; Wilderness villas, Saratoga Springs; 2009-Old Key West & Wilderness villas;
2010 Feb:A K Kidani Villas & Beach Club villas; May:Old Key West- FPEA convention;Julyne day Magic Kingdom(youth group trip) Oct: Saratoga Springs w/ my kids and mom and gma(it had been 21 yrs for them)
Nov:DD 18th bday @ Old key West AKV and Treehouses FEB 6-11, 2011 for my 40th BIRTHDAY!
Night of Joy Sept 9-11, 11 Wilderness Villas
!
prittfamily98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2010, 03:45 PM   #2
poizenivey
Mouseketeer
 
poizenivey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 101

I'm sure that they will not have any problem assisting your daughter's needs. I would actually call back and ask to speak with a supervisor until you get the answers to the specific questions that you have! You are paying a lot of money to cruise on their boat, the least they could do is help you to plan appropriately for your child and I am sure a supervisor will be more than willing to help you with a plan of action!

Good luck and I hope that you have a wonderful trip!
__________________
DH (Jason) ME (Ivey)
DD (Kennedy, 8 ) DD (Karsyn, 6)


Magic Eastern Carribean 11/2010
Magic Western Carribean 4/2010
Disney's Yacht Club 4/2010
Disney's Fort Wilderness ?/2011
Off property 6/2009 Off property-8/2008-Off property 6/2008
poizenivey is offline   Reply With Quote
|
The DIS
Register to remove

Join Date: 1997
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,000,000
Old 09-11-2010, 03:49 PM   #3
pluto1979
DIS Veteran
 
pluto1979's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 877

First off, Relax!
I am sorry to hear that the DCL Cast Members were not helpful to you. As one who has worked on the ship I can assure you that all of our Guest enjoy the cruise; from the dear little ones to the dear little ones at heart. This includes your beautiful daughter with special needs. Hopefully I can answer some of your questions for you:

As for your 18 year old daughter using the kids club area, they usually do not allow this for safety reasons and they are strict to this policy. However you are always welcomed to ask if you can stay with her while she enjoys her time. In addition, she is welcomed to go the teens area and your other daughter can go if she is acting like a schaperone (sp?).

For the shows and other entertainment, she will be able to enjoy it all no matter what she attends and goes to. I cannot stress enough how the crew will treat all of your children like little princes and princessess. As will the adults!

Enjoy your cruise and have a WONDERful vacation!
__________________
Adam B.
Walt Disney World Cast Member: 1998 - Current
DCL Platinum Status

Be sure to follow my blog about my life as a Disney Cast Member!
Disney Dreamer & Magic Maker
http://www.disneycm.blogspot.com
pluto1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2010, 04:45 PM   #4
smb6
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,211

I can't imagine them letting her in the kids group, but like others mentioned they will probably allow you to go in with her (maybe?). But, I could definately feature them letting your 12 yr old assist her in the teen groups. You may call dcl back, it seems they should be able to give you this information so that it is not a guessing game...... I'm sure she will have fun and be accomodated, but it would be nice for you to know what is allowed ahead of time......
smb6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2010, 06:12 PM   #5
abitagirl916
Disneymaniac
 
abitagirl916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Southeastern Louisiana (just north of New Orleans)
Posts: 1,113

When we took our first Disney cruise in 2007, my mentally disabled DD was 18 years old (about 12 mentally). I contacted DCL at dcl.reservations@disneycruise.com and explained the situation asking if she could participate in the teens club. They responded saying they would contact the Youth Services Manager. I printed out the Medical Form from the DCL site, had her doctor fill it out indicating her mental disability, and faxed it to DCL. I followed up with an e-mail letting them know that I faxed the form. I received the following reply:
It is so good to hear from you again!
I'm one step ahead of you. This morning our Special Services Specialist
contacted me regarding the Medical Information Form that was received in
their office.
I, in turn, sent an email to our Youth Activities Manager with your
cruise information so it could be forwarded to the ship. Rachel is going
to have a fantastic time!
We recommend you meet with one of the Youth Counselors once on the ship
in order to make sure all is in place.
I hope this information has been helpful. If you require further
assistance in planning your visit, please feel free to contact us.
We look forward to sailing with you! Have a Magical Day!
Wilma
Reservations Department
Disney Cruise Vacations
Once we were on board, the Youth Activities Manager contacted me and we met with her at the Oceaneers Club. That evening they were showing High School Musical 2 and they encouraged my DD to attend. Although my DD decided not to attend (she wanted to hang with Mom & Dad), DCL was very accommodating in the event she wanted to participate.

I suggest you go ahead and fax the completed Medical Form explaining your particular situation. They should then respond to you directly.

Hoping your whole family enjoys your cruise!
__________________
Tammy & Rachel -- 2/2004 AllStar Movies; 4/2006 Pop Century; 10/2007 Disney Magic; 5/2010 AllStar Movies; 6/2011 Disney Dream Double Dip; 9/2012 Shades of Green; 2/2013 AllStar Movies; 10/2013 Disney Fantasy-Western; 9/2014 AllStar Sports; 10/2015 Disney Fantasy-Western
abitagirl916 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2010, 10:38 PM   #6
3mmm
Mouseketeer
 
3mmm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 336

My daughter is 8 and has Down syndrome. DCL has been great with her and we have put her back an age group in the club, no problem. First time I brought a note from her pediatrician stating what her developmental age is. I know they can't ask for it, but I wanted to have it just in case. I didn't need it. I can certainly understand the upper age limit in the clubs but if kids are still in high school, they can still be in the teen club as I understand it. My daughter will be 19 when she starts her senior year, so we'll see.

I don't want to be a downer, but I do want to tell you about something we saw on our first cruise when my daughter was barely a year. One afternoon during one of the pool side shows for lack of a better description, there was a young man who was clearly developmentally disabled. They were allowing the children to come up on stage and dance with the characters and this young man did and a cast member escorted him off. It broke my heart at the time as he was definitely having the best time of anyone on the pool deck. At the time it made me sad because I felt that may be our future.

Now, I have become a very effective advocate for my daughter and I will do everything I can to prevent that from happening to her. If you have a conversation with someone outside of the kids' clubs about your child' needs when you get on the boat, maybe you can prevent this kind of thing from happening. I would be very comfortable today speaking to that cast member, explaining who I talked to, and that my child should be included in whatever is going on. I'm just throwing that out there because if I hadn't seen this situation, I would not know what I need to discuss with the cruise staff.

Overall, I will say that Disney goes above and beyond when it comes to my daughter, and we don't see that everywhere. Have fun and be empowered to advocate for child. You will always be your child's best advocate.
__________________
Mary

DS 15, DS 13, DD11, DS9, DS6 as of August 2013
3mmm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2010, 11:33 PM   #7
slcmom
Mouseketeer
 
slcmom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 245

Talking you'll have a great time

I took my ds with Down syndrome (age 19 and low-end) and my dh who has dementia and is in a wheelchair with me on the EBTA last April. Nobody but nobody treats disabled people as well as Disney does!

Most of the time ds wandered the ship on his own and had a delightful time. Sometimes he got lost and they would call and I'd go get him. They suggested I get a transmitter bracelet like the younger kids wear, which would have made it easier to get hold of me. Next time we'll do that.

I didn't send him to the teen area because he isn't a teen in any way. I didn't try to send him to the kids' area because he's too old and too big. But we went to every single kareoke event, which he adored. We went to every High School Musical and Hannah Montana event, where they all danced. One time he was the only one who showed up, and the 2 darling cast members held the whole hour activity just for him!

Many cast members learned his name. The characters fawned all over him in a big way. Everyone, including most other cruisers, were darling and patient with him.

We had one crazy cruiser who was convinced that ds was trying to sexually molest her dd (ds touched her on the arm) and called ship security. But they handled it very well.

My only disappointment was that the cast member at the top of the pool slide was adament that he couldn't use it (too tall). Ds didn't understand the problem. She didn't care, just wanted him down. I thought they could have made an exception. She insisted that they never ever made exceptions for 'safety reasons'. It was a real struggle the whole cruise because it was such an attractive nuisance to ds. Imagine my surprise when during the cast talent show there was a video of a couple of the kid counselors (college age) coming down the slide!!! That whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

There were at least 4 other mentally disabled children on our cruise. We parents chatted with each other. One boy was about 8-9 years old, totally normal looking, but had autism or something that really effected his impulse control. I was so impressed watching cast members interact with him. They couldn't have been better!

DS loved the shows - we never missed one. And he loved meeting the entertainers afterwards and having photos taken with them. And he quickly got in the 'celebrity' mode and loved having photographers from the ship anxious to take his photo at every turn, even though we actually purchased very few of them.

Feel free to pm me if you have concerns. You'll have a great time. I'm already scheming to take us all on another cruise!
__________________
slcmom
slcmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2010, 01:42 AM   #8
grlzmom
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,679

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3mmm View Post
I don't want to be a downer, but I do want to tell you about something we saw on our first cruise when my daughter was barely a year. One afternoon during one of the pool side shows for lack of a better description, there was a young man who was clearly developmentally disabled. They were allowing the children to come up on stage and dance with the characters and this young man did and a cast member escorted him off. It broke my heart at the time as he was definitely having the best time of anyone on the pool deck. At the time it made me sad because I felt that may be our future.

Now, I have become a very effective advocate for my daughter and I will do everything I can to prevent that from happening to her. If you have a conversation with someone outside of the kids' clubs about your child' needs when you get on the boat, maybe you can prevent this kind of thing from happening. I would be very comfortable today speaking to that cast member, explaining who I talked to, and that my child should be included in whatever is going on. I'm just throwing that out there because if I hadn't seen this situation, I would not know what I need to discuss with the cruise staff.
I agree, talking to the clubs goes a long way and no one can advocate better than a mom

Quote:
Originally Posted by slcmom View Post
I took my ds with Down syndrome (age 19 and low-end) and my dh who has dementia and is in a wheelchair with me on the EBTA last April. Nobody but nobody treats disabled people as well as Disney does!

We had one crazy cruiser who was convinced that ds was trying to sexually molest her dd (ds touched her on the arm) and called ship security. But they handled it very well.
I'm guessing I'm the one you are referencing above, however I never thought your adult DS was trying to sexually molest my DD. The facts were he followed her all over the ship for 2 weeks, he stole her photos from shutters, he cornered her in the atrium lobby and grabbed her arm, thus necessitating the calling of security for you to come and get him when fellow adult male cruisers were unable to get him to back off. If I left anything out, let me know and I can edit my post. Perhaps you might edit yours for gross inaccuracy.
grlzmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2010, 05:34 AM   #9
shaylahc1
Mouseketeer
 
shaylahc1's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 451

Quote:
Originally Posted by slcmom View Post
I took my ds with Down syndrome (age 19 and low-end) and my dh who has dementia and is in a wheelchair with me on the EBTA last April. Nobody but nobody treats disabled people as well as Disney does!

Most of the time ds wandered the ship on his own and had a delightful time. Sometimes he got lost and they would call and I'd go get him. They suggested I get a transmitter bracelet like the younger kids wear, which would have made it easier to get hold of me. Next time we'll do that.

I didn't send him to the teen area because he isn't a teen in any way. I didn't try to send him to the kids' area because he's too old and too big. But we went to every single kareoke event, which he adored. We went to every High School Musical and Hannah Montana event, where they all danced. One time he was the only one who showed up, and the 2 darling cast members held the whole hour activity just for him!

Many cast members learned his name. The characters fawned all over him in a big way. Everyone, including most other cruisers, were darling and patient with him.

We had one crazy cruiser who was convinced that ds was trying to sexually molest her dd (ds touched her on the arm) and called ship security. But they handled it very well.

My only disappointment was that the cast member at the top of the pool slide was adament that he couldn't use it (too tall). Ds didn't understand the problem. She didn't care, just wanted him down. I thought they could have made an exception. She insisted that they never ever made exceptions for 'safety reasons'. It was a real struggle the whole cruise because it was such an attractive nuisance to ds. Imagine my surprise when during the cast talent show there was a video of a couple of the kid counselors (college age) coming down the slide!!! That whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

There were at least 4 other mentally disabled children on our cruise. We parents chatted with each other. One boy was about 8-9 years old, totally normal looking, but had autism or something that really effected his impulse control. I was so impressed watching cast members interact with him. They couldn't have been better!

DS loved the shows - we never missed one. And he loved meeting the entertainers afterwards and having photos taken with them. And he quickly got in the 'celebrity' mode and loved having photographers from the ship anxious to take his photo at every turn, even though we actually purchased very few of them.

Feel free to pm me if you have concerns. You'll have a great time. I'm already scheming to take us all on another cruise!
I am glad that your DS had a good time, and I am sure you must have had your hands full traveling with 2 adults who have special needs. I wanted to comment quickly (especially since I saw a poster above commented on what you had said about your son's behavior). It sounds to me like your son could benefit from having another adult present to help supervise him on future cruises. I would personally be uncomfortable having an adult person with disabilities getting "lost" on the ship. If his mental age is that of a small child, he requires supervision like a small child would. I think it places an unfair burden on the staff and other cruisers to help supervise what is essentially an adult who behaves unpredictably. On the one hand you want staff to accomodate his "youthfulness" by allowing him on the slide, on the other hand you allow him to roam free on the ship (like an adult) where it appears he was causing problems for other cruisers.

Looking at it from a parent's perspective, too, someone could take advantage of your son's innocence....we were on the EBTA also and one of my DDs (age 9) got lost on the ship (turns out she was sitting at another table in the dining room coloring with a friend....) but let me tell you....that was the longest 30 minutes of my life. Even though I know most cruisers are Disney fanatics just there to enjoy the ship with their families, it is essentially a ship full of strangers. Who is to say someone might not take advantage of an unsupervised child (or mentally challenged person). I think supervision is very important for any child on a ship, and especially important when you have an adult who is mentally disabled.
__________________
Michele, SAHM & homeschooling mama to Abigail (15), Madeline (12), Victoria (10) & William (7)


Last edited by shaylahc1; 09-12-2010 at 06:41 AM.
shaylahc1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2010, 09:27 AM   #10
Dicecatt
DIS Veteran
 
Dicecatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,301

Quote:
Originally Posted by slcmom View Post
Most of the time ds wandered the ship on his own and had a delightful time. Sometimes he got lost and they would call and I'd go get him.
This sounds very inappropriate. If he has the mind of a child, why would you allow him to wonder around and get lost? He could get scared...if he is the size of an adult, other people could get scared and inconvenienced. It is an extreme liability for everyone involved. DCL in general isn't responsible for keeping track of your son, you are. It is one thing for you to allow your son to enjoy himself. It is quite another to do it at the expense of other cruisers. Do you let your child wander around your city alone? Why is a cruise any different? It is full of strangers, and that seems really irresponsible of you. Your son could be in detriment with this behavior.

I have children of all ages, and I would be very uncomfortable with your son wandering around, getting lost, with no supervision.
Dicecatt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2010, 09:41 AM   #11
sabrecmc
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,579

I would probably cross-post this question on the DISabilities board, if you haven't already done so. They are an outstanding resource.

It sounds like the thing to do is have your doctor fill out the Medical Information Form and then contact Disney after you've sent that in to follow up and make sure everything is in place. I think, particularly for a child that age, it must be a partnership with DCL and the family working together to make sure the child has access to the activities and fun while also maintaining a safe environment for both the child and other cruisers who are not as experienced as your family and don't know your daughter's limitations and abilities. I don't know if they would consider even the most responsible 12 year old to be an adequate chaperone, but that's what you need to clarify with them. I'm sure your family will have a great time, but it will definitely be easier on you to demand some clarification ahead of time. I'm sorry the DCL cast member didn't refer you to someone a bit more helpful, but I would continue to call back and ask to speak with a supervisor or get your TA to call, if you have one. Good luck and happy sailing!
sabrecmc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2010, 12:49 PM   #12
ladyleslie
Mouseketeer
 
ladyleslie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 262

<<<<Do you let your child wander around your city alone? Why is a cruise any different? It is full of strangers, and that seems really irresponsible of you. >>>>>

In reference to this remark.....

I just wanted to mention I am just off the Disney Wonder (a week now) and the entire length of the three day cruise, I saw (and heard) children running up and down the ship until about 12:30am - and the youngest of those kids had to be at least 6 years of age..... (and yes I know all about the quiet hours being from 10pm till 8am) So for someone to say "yeah I let my adult child with a younger Mental Age than he looks free range of the ship...." that doesnt sound any different from what I experience having just come off the Wonder.

Some parents are totally comfortable with the ship environment to cut their children more freedom than they would at home. Its a parenting style .... I don't share that style of parenting but I can accept that some do..... To each is own and live and let live and all that jazz.....

((Sigh - Okay that part is over with))


Back to the real topic at hand -
as a teacher of developmentally challenged children and
the sibling of five disabled siblings (to various degrees) and also
the parent of a LD child -

Id like to appauld the orignally poster - for undertaking this big vacation -which can sometimes be overwhelming (at least it was for me) - In my teaching experience many to most of my children (and I use that word only to describe the mental age) at work dont get the oppurtunity to come out of their homes to explore "the world outside" - my parents prefer to keep their children, virtually "shut in" - at home.

As the other posters said - call DCL back and ask to speak with a supervisor, ask to speak to their supervisor, and keep calling till you get a definte / concrete answer, be prepared to negotiate (your willing to stay or member of your family is ready to stay with your daugther during some of the activities) -

Here in NYS after age 18, guardianship papers are needed for persons with low Mental Ages - its legal and binding document that states my siblings disability (and has got my parents out of pinch in certain cases) - if you have one (or something similar) be prepared to present it.....

get the doctors note describing the mental age or An IEP (individualized Education Plan or your states equivalent) thats also a legal and binding document that can attest to the needs of your child,
and be prepared to advocate (squeeky wheel gets the oil and all of that)

If it all goes south - be prepared to come up with a back up plan - call DCL back up and ask for navigators in advance so you can assist in planning your daugther's days with events from the family activities section....

Good luck and after all of that remember - this is your vacation too....

Good speed and all the best -

and Don't forget to write back and let us know what you ended up doing and how it went.
__________________



** From my family and friends to yours - may all of your cruising dreams come true! **
** Dream - Aug 14 & 17 & 21, 2014 ** Fantasy - August 17, 2013 & Art of Animation ** Magic - Aug 17, 2012 ** Dream - Aug 25 & Aug 28, 2011 & Caribbean Beach ** Wonder - Aug 29 & Sept 1 2010 & Caribbean Beach ** Wonder - Aug 23, 2009 & Caribbean Beach **Coronado Springs - Feb 2009 ** French Quarter - Sept 2008 ** All Star Sports - Sept 2007 ** All Star Music - Oct 2006 ** Off Site - April 2002 ** Off Site - Aug 1989 ** Disney Campsite - Aug 1982 **
ladyleslie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2010, 10:26 PM   #13
Emsabems
Earning My Ears
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 65

OP - we leave next Saturday for 4 days in the wonder. My brother is 36 with CP... Mentally about 9. I'm expecting a wonderful experience (as we've always had at WDW) but will post when we get back.

Cross your fingers for us
__________________
Mom , Dad , DS 5 , DS 3

Emsabems is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2010, 06:30 AM   #14
grlzmom
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,679

Quote:
Originally Posted by Emsabems View Post
OP - we leave next Saturday for 4 days in the wonder. My brother is 36 with CP... Mentally about 9. I'm expecting a wonderful experience (as we've always had at WDW) but will post when we get back.

Cross your fingers for us
Lots of pixie dust your way that you all have a wonderful cruise!
grlzmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2010, 06:30 PM   #15
slcmom
Mouseketeer
 
slcmom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 245

Unhappy wow. talk about repeatedly kicked in the head....

I certainly misspoke (who thought I'd ever use that horrible word) when I said that my ds wandered the ship alone. Very occasionally he would be alone; like if we were going up to deck 9 to eat, he'd sometimes head up there 15 minutes before I had dh dressed and ready, but we'd meet him up there immediately. Similarly, when we were eating in Luminere's, and he finished dessert early, he sometimes went out to see the characters in the atrium until we were done. Again, a matter of minutes. Which was the situation when grlzmom was so concerned. Those little tastes of independence were wonderful for him, and something that he never has at home. They seemed fairly innocuous to me.

I'm sorry that I called the poster a crazy woman. I try hard not to judge anyone, and it was unfair of me to assign that adjective to her.

I realize that there are still lots of people who are afraid of mentally disabled people and would prefer never to see them and have to interact with them. Perhaps grlzmom and her dd fall into that category. Unfortunately, ds is not good at picking up those cues. We, and his teachers, spend hundreds of hours working with him to respect people's private space and not touch. Obviously it is an ongoing project.

After the incident I was very very concerned, and interviewed all the cast members who had been present. I think I received an accurate picture. Obviously, I wasn't there, and only have the information they provided. My memory is that at the time the mom did talk of assault, sexual molestation, and jail time.

Ds did take a photo from Shutters. As soon as we saw it we took him to return it. We would have done that no matter who the photo was of, because we don't condone taking things that are not ours.

I would be very surprised to know that ds stalked this girl for 2 weeks, because we were with him at least 23 hours of each 24.

Thanks for listening to me rant. We all tend to become agitated when we feel our children are misrepresented or threatened.
__________________
slcmom
slcmom is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS Updates
GET OUR DIS UPDATES DELIVERED BY EMAIL



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:24 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Copyright © 1997-2014, Werner Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

You Rated this Thread: