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Old 08-21-2010, 09:10 AM   #76
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Yikes, just re-read my previous post, and it sounds like I'm trying out for the voice-over position in a documentary or something. I swear, I'm not usually so formal or stuffy!
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:16 AM   #77
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Yikes, just re-read my previous post, and it sounds like I'm trying out for the voice-over position in a documentary or something. I swear, I'm not usually so formal or stuffy!
I didn't think it sounded stuffy!
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:45 AM   #78
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I'm in a debate with a teacher at the moment in my current class for my Master's degree. Mind you, I WAS a public school teacher, so it's not like I'm NOT a "trained professional". She's been grousing about the pay. I told her that hour-for-hour, teachers actually do pretty well and if teachers earned that salary 52 weeks instead of 36, it wouldn't be so shabby. She also talked about underperformers getting paid the same as those who go above and beyond. I told her welcome to the real world, it's like that EVERYWHERE. She said that teachers are undervalued by society. I told her that when "ordinary" (although I believe we are "extraordinary" thankyouverymuch ) parents can teach their children and those children show up at Harvard, Yale, MIT, etc, it's a hard argument to make that only "trained professionals" can educate children. I also pointed out the parable from Matthew which is featured in our textbook for the class about the men who went to work at different times of day for the farmer who paid them all the same amount, so the ones who worked longer were whining. I told her that teachers don't go into the field without knowing beforehand that the pay stinks, so it's either a calling where there is intrinsic reward or get out and find you a different job.

I'm just SO tired of people who think parents can't educate their children. We are their FIRST teachers!
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:17 PM   #81
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Well, I do think that in many, many areas of the country, teachers are greatly underpayed.

I am not quite getting the connection between arguing pay of teachers and arguing that parents can teach their own children though. You lost me there.

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I'm in a debate with a teacher at the moment in my current class for my Master's degree. Mind you, I WAS a public school teacher, so it's not like I'm NOT a "trained professional". She's been grousing about the pay. I told her that hour-for-hour, teachers actually do pretty well and if teachers earned that salary 52 weeks instead of 36, it wouldn't be so shabby. She also talked about underperformers getting paid the same as those who go above and beyond. I told her welcome to the real world, it's like that EVERYWHERE. She said that teachers are undervalued by society. I told her that when "ordinary" (although I believe we are "extraordinary" thankyouverymuch ) parents can teach their children and those children show up at Harvard, Yale, MIT, etc, it's a hard argument to make that only "trained professionals" can educate children. I also pointed out the parable from Matthew which is featured in our textbook for the class about the men who went to work at different times of day for the farmer who paid them all the same amount, so the ones who worked longer were whining. I told her that teachers don't go into the field without knowing beforehand that the pay stinks, so it's either a calling where there is intrinsic reward or get out and find you a different job.

I'm just SO tired of people who think parents can't educate their children. We are their FIRST teachers!
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Well, I do think that in many, many areas of the country, teachers are greatly underpayed.

I am not quite getting the connection between arguing pay of teachers and arguing that parents can teach their own children though. You lost me there.

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I agree with you. I taught in public schools for ten years. I promise you that "hour for hour" I did not get paid well. I always stayed way after school hours, always took work home and was always there throughout the summer. Many teachers put in a lot more than the "school day." Not to mention what many have to deal with during the day. For dealing with the behaviors alone they should be getting double.

I am thankful for the opportunity to homeschool. Many are not blessed with this option.

I wish the teachers were getting higher salaries and the professional sports players were getting teacher salaries.
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Well, I do think that in many, many areas of the country, teachers are greatly underpayed.

I am not quite getting the connection between arguing pay of teachers and arguing that parents can teach their own children though. You lost me there.

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The connection for that argument wasn't pay, but that only "professionals" can do the job, therefore, should be seen as superior.

I used to be a teacher in Oklahoma, among the worst in the US for pay at the time. I taught summer school to make up for the pay and still was able to purchase a nice home, decent car, and support 2 children as a single mother with no help from their bio-f. I did the math at the time and if my school year salary were computed out for a full year's work, it would have been more than adequate, not to mention the pension plan and other benefits.
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Dawn,

Well, in this area I disagree with you.....can teachers scrape by on an assembly liners' pay? Sure they can, but I don't think they should have to. I can assure you that DH and I both have MAs (in fact, I have two) and he makes far more than I ever did, even though I have an additional 10 years of work under my belt.

I believe teachers are professionals and the reason they don't get paid as such is because we have been lead to believe that they are not truly professionals, should treat their jobs as a calling, and just take whatever is offered to them and be happy. If I believed teachers were not professionals I would not have gone to the trouble of getting a degree and two MAs in the field.

I do agree that parents can teach their own kids, but I don't see that as part of this particular argument.

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The connection for that argument wasn't pay, but that only "professionals" can do the job, therefore, should be seen as superior.

I used to be a teacher in Oklahoma, among the worst in the US for pay at the time. I taught summer school to make up for the pay and still was able to purchase a nice home, decent car, and support 2 children as a single mother with no help from their bio-f. I did the math at the time and if my school year salary were computed out for a full year's work, it would have been more than adequate, not to mention the pension plan and other benefits.
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Can someone point me in the right direction, please? I know this exists as I saw it once but can't find it. My SIL has just started homeschooling my ASD DN who is 7. They were surprised with a gift cruise going in sept. I could swear that someone had made a curriculum for the disney cruise line. Thank you in advance.
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Can someone point me in the right direction, please? I know this exists as I saw it once but can't find it. My SIL has just started homeschooling my ASD DN who is 7. They were surprised with a gift cruise going in sept. I could swear that someone had made a curriculum for the disney cruise line. Thank you in advance.
I have never seen a curriculum for the cruise but I think the cruise itself is more than enough "curriculum." Fun things that we have done before or after a cruise (or just when we need a Disney fix)...We have look at layouts of the cruise ship and talked about parts of the ship. We have used the Google Earth 3D free software to zoom in and out to see where the ship travels. We have learned about weather in the Bahamas. We have read about some history of the Bahamas. Our library has some cool "The Science of Disney Imagineering" Videos. One was on Fluid. They talk about the ship in that video.

On the cruise they have science labs they can do as well as other eduational opportunities. However, I think the whole experience is filled with learning. Even reading the navigator and the chart with the schedule is educational

I would just take advantage of all the learning that just magically happens on the cruise.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:15 PM   #87
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Does anyone know of a curriculum which is more hands on? Something with mini projects or something? I'm not even sure what I'm looking for which is making it very hard to find iykwim .

I'm excited and nervous, but mostly excited.
If you are Christian My Father's World has an amazing (IMO) Kindergarten curriculum. Lots of hands on experiential kinds of things with a bit of worksheets thrown in. Might be a bit below her if she is already reading though but it is tons of fun.
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I have never seen a curriculum for the cruise but I think the cruise itself is more than enough "curriculum." Fun things that we have done before or after a cruise (or just when we need a Disney fix)...We have look at layouts of the cruise ship and talked about parts of the ship. We have used the Google Earth 3D free software to zoom in and out to see where the ship travels. We have learned about weather in the Bahamas. We have read about some history of the Bahamas. Our library has some cool "The Science of Disney Imagineering" Videos. One was on Fluid. They talk about the ship in that video.

On the cruise they have science labs they can do as well as other eduational opportunities. However, I think the whole experience is filled with learning. Even reading the navigator and the chart with the schedule is educational

I would just take advantage of all the learning that just magically happens on the cruise.

I wish he could do the stuff on the cruise. He is non verbal so they are having to create a nice curriculum. Right now, I am making a sand castle sheet for her and she is trying to come up with other stuff. Thanks
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:51 AM   #89
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We ordered our tickets for Williamsburg Homeschool Days!!!

Wanted to let you all know that there is a show on the History channel tonight (Tuesday) at 8 PM EST about Thomas Jefferson.
I am going to tape it and then watch it to see if it is appropriate for DD since we are doing American History this year.
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