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Old 08-12-2010, 10:56 AM   #271
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Adult portions are always too large for me anyway, so I do a lot of sharing with my kids. Or, my kids will split an adult entree. The dining plan would never work for us.

For those who do find value in the DDP, it would be nice if Disney could pick just one scaled-down version of an adult entree to add to the kid choices, at least at those restaurants that don't already do that (I know there are some that do). There are so many people who aren't on Disboards like all of us, doing tons of research before they go - those people eat at wherever they happen to be when hungry, and they won't even know that there's a restaurant elsewhere in the park that does have good quality kids menu food.
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Old 08-12-2010, 11:54 AM   #273
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I know it is not mandatory. My point though is that if you don't research all the meals and just book it like most people do you are expecting better meals.
I don't think I would assume a theme park would have lots of healthy options in children's menus. I would think if that was important you would do research before you went. If you do research you can find healthy options at Disney.

I've got 3 kids-one who will eat anything, one who eats a lot and one who is very picky. I do research to see where miss picky will eat something. I don't do the meal plan. My 11 year old doesn't eat enough to justify the DDP for her. I don't always want to eat a TS meal with dessert. I find we do better paying OOP and ordering exactly what we want.
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Old 08-12-2010, 12:30 PM   #274
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I haven't read through the whole thread here, but I just had a few comments. First of all, Disney's offerengs are much healthier than our local amusement park. There are no grapes, apples, juice, etc. offered at the amusement park for kids. Also, I work at the local elementary school and have to say that Disney's kids meals are more healthy than the meals the kids get served at school every day. That stuff is just awful! I can't believe the garbage that gets served to our kids at school. I would expect healthier options at school than at Disneyworld, but it isn't the case.
My gripe with the kids meals is not that they don't have healthy options, I think they do. I just hate going to a CS place and have 10 options for adults and only 2 options for kids. I just wish there were more options. Now that I know that they don't differenciate between adult CS and child CS, I'll just be getting my dd an adult CS meal when the options are not good for her. Again, though at school the kids (here anyway) are not given any choices about what to have for school. They are given whatever meal has been prepared for them that day. If they don't like it, they just go hungry. So, even in that respect, it's better than what is offered at school.
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:24 PM   #275
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I've got 3 kids-one who will eat anything, one who eats a lot and one who is very picky. I do research to see where miss picky will eat something. I don't do the meal plan. My 11 year old doesn't eat enough to justify the DDP for her. I don't always want to eat a TS meal with dessert. I find we do better paying OOP and ordering exactly what we want.
I had to do research for my vegetarian DD too. Many of the CS places only offer meat options in their kids meals and the others only have that nasty mac n cheese for veggie kids. My DD only ate cheese pizza or the uncrustables on the kids menu . That being said, I would still buy the DDP when she was under 10. After that ... it just wasn't worth it to pay $42 for her to eat like a picky, vegetarian bird.
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I had to do research for my vegetarian DD too. Many of the CS places only offer meat options in their kids meals and the others only have that nasty mac n cheese for veggie kids. My DD only ate cheese pizza or the uncrustables on the kids menu . That being said, I would still buy the DDP when she was under 10. After that ... it just wasn't worth it to pay $42 for her to eat like a picky, vegetarian bird.
Is your whole family vegetarian? My daughter is leaning that way and we have always been a house of happy omnivores.
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Old 08-12-2010, 02:09 PM   #277
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I had to do research for my vegetarian DD too. Many of the CS places only offer meat options in their kids meals and the others only have that nasty mac n cheese for veggie kids. My DD only ate cheese pizza or the uncrustables on the kids menu . That being said, I would still buy the DDP when she was under 10. After that ... it just wasn't worth it to pay $42 for her to eat like a picky, vegetarian bird.
My picky eater isn't the "Disney adult". I can't imagine it would ever be worth doing DDP with her as an "adult".

I did consider doing DxDDP with my DS-he's my good eater before he turned 10. But decided I couldn't eat enough for DxDDP and went with paying OOP.
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Old 08-12-2010, 02:33 PM   #278
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That shows a want not a need.

Lol, if one can't afford to feed their children that isn't
disney's fault. Save a year more. Cut back somewhere else. Bring in healthy sandwiches, fruit and veggies or
wraps. Disney doesn't owe anyone anything. It also isn't disney's fault
if kids like eating pizza, chicken nuggets and pb & j. If you have a problem with the culture and eating, a theme park is the last place I'd start.
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I question how much a need there really is for more variety. With just a quick look at 4 of the kids menus for quick service at the Magic Kingdom I have found that:

Three places have chicken salad
Two places have chicken nuggets
Three places have mac & cheese
Three places have PB&J
One place has a burger
One place has pizza

That is six different lunch or dinner choices at 4 places in just one park. And it is not the same menu at every place. I doubt many families go to WDW and eat 6 counter service meals just in the Magic Kingdom.
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I have never understood why the children's menu causes so much discussion. Businesses are free to offer what they want and what they believe will generate a profit. We are free to choose those offerings or to choose something else. I believe that the price point is the issue. People determine how much that they are willing to spend on a childs meal and Disney restaurants, along with most other restaurants, offer what is within that amount.

It is easy enough to research wihich restaurants have adult portions that are generous enough to share with a child or to research which restaurants offer choices that you want to feed your child on the children's menu.

As I have said before, we all try to accomodate my DGD if she cannot find anything ont the children's menu but in the years we have been taking her to Disney, she has never gotten bored or gone hungry. It takes a little time prior to the trip and sometimes costs a little more during the trip but there are plenty of healthy options to choose from.
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As someone else mentioned, it demonstrates a want, not a need. Besides, expressing one's preference to the powers that be (in this case WDW food management) isn't whining. Complaining over and over again to a bunch of folks on a message board who can't do anything about it is.
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Actually, imho, a discussion board isn't a place for complaints, per se. It is a place for us to share information and perspectives. Complaints, by their very nature, imply an expectation for remediation, and afaic this isn't the venue where complaints may be considered for remediation. Instead, I would like to think of this as a place for reviews: "I don't like that ..." And information: "You should be aware that ..." And comparison: "XXX is better at this than YYY ..." And for learning: "Where is the ...? How do I ...? When should I ...? etc." I would prefer seeing us focus on helping each other get the most out of our vacations, as they're available to us, and leave Disney to handle their own customer satisfaction issues.
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Personal, no. It is merely a conversation on a msg. board to fill the time. You won't always be able to control your daughter. I've seen it tried. You have never addressed the question of what you will do when she says "no." Stuff it down her throat? Or do you really believe she will always do and like everything you tell her to do and like? Whether you have one or five, you still can't control everything. Parents who try to are my big money maker, lol.

You sit in judgment of people when you haven't walked in their shoes. You imply that your way of parenting would solve the problems of diet, and health in america. You assume people don't try. You assume that you know more about parenting...Not cool. People have given real life examples of the "whys" and possible reasons for what you have seen and experienced in your little camp example, but you ignore it all.

As for the food at the parks, your points keep changing. Now it is the size of adult portions, lol.Use your money to speak. Don't go if you don't want to. Don't buy kid's meals if you don't like. No one is twisting your arm or holding a gun to your head.
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Really? And when she'd rather sit there than eat it, to show you who is in control, what will you do? When she'd rather go straight to bed that eat it, will you give it to her the next morning? Then what?

I have one that was an extremely picky preschooler who will now eat anything slow enough for him to catch; one preschooler who has never known the meaning of picky; and one entering 4th grade who is the pickiest kids you can imagine. Honestly, 100% pure grape juice is the only fruit she consumes.

A very wise physician friend told me when my first child was born that there are two things parents CAN NOT control----what a child eats, and their elimination. Parents will not win in table or toilet battles. You can control their choices----so yes, give them healthy choices. Which leads back to the choices at a theme park.

If you don't like the choices on the children's menu at WDW, there are several things to do:

1) write to Disney about your concerns
2) don't give Disney your business
3) bring your own food for your child
4) buy an adult meal to share with her

It really isn't rocket science.
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Allowing your child to decide which foods (out of healthy choices) and how much food to put into her own body is not letting her run the house. It's respecting her as a fellow human being.

As Horton says, "A person's a person no matter how small."
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Not that you are going to listen to anyone else, but please please understand that the kids who wind up in my office or referred to me come from 2 sorts of homes. Those that have no boundaries, the type you are concerned about. And the type that are totally authoritarian. Children should learn to respect their parents, not fear them.

There are adults on this thread saying that what you are saying (which is hopefully not what you are doing in the extreme) affected their lives forever. Their parents thought that what they were doing was best. All parents do, or wouldn't do it.

You may have been raised this way, and think that you have turned out fine. But how fine is it to look down on others? That isn't nice. I hope that you consider what people have shared. They did it out of concern for your daughter, and really of you. And you obviously have no clue where eating disorders come from. Most come from overparenting, and the need to control something in their lives. Food becomes that thing to control.

What might have been an interesting discussion of our culture, of helping kids to eat a healthy and varied diet became a thread dissing the parenting choices of others. Complaining about theme park food is weird, I guess. It is a vacation and theme park. If you don't like the choices eat elsewhere. We rent points and stay dvc because we don't care for eating out every meal. Problem solved.

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The best way to accomplish this is to "speak with your wallet".. Don't go out to eat; don't patronize places that sell objectionable food; do not allow your kids to eat lunch in school; and when vacationing and you have to eat out, share from the adult menus..

As long as people pay for it, they will continue to sell it..
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I think the point most of you keep missing is that kids' don't HAVE to order off the kids' menu, unless you're on the dining plan. If they want to eat what you're eating, share what you've got, and add a salad, soup or appetizer if you (or they) are still hungry. And even if you are on the DP, you can still pay OOP for something else.

The children's menu is there for picky kids who won't eat other stuff. Not to punish those who do.

Disney (and most other establishments) will not offer smaller sized portions of adult meals because it isn't cost effective. This is why most places don't allow adults to order off the kids' menu.
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Bottom Line.. Everything 'AINT' for Everybody!!!
Yes Disney COULD offer different things but for now they are not.. So either buy it or you don't.
If you really want things to change, perhaps a letter to Disney(the people who can make the changes) with maybe a signed petition showing that there is really a need and want for the changes...
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My gripe with the kids meals is not that they don't have healthy options, I think they do. I just hate going to a CS place and have 10 options for adults and only 2 options for kids. I just wish there were more options.
The problem is, they could have 200 options, and there would still be people who complain.
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The problem is, they could have 200 options, and there would still be people who complain.
The complaints then would be "These menus are way too complicated. It's taking people too long to decide what they want to order. The lines are horrendous. Disney should simplify things."
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The complaints then would be "These menus are way too complicated. It's taking people too long to decide what they want to order. The lines are horrendous. Disney should simplify things."
That is the truth.

As many people have said before in this thread, if you don't like the kid's menu choices don't buy them. Problem solved. If a majority of visitors stop buying the kid's meals, Disney will do research & change them to fit what their guests want to buy. Until then, if they are selling well Disney has no reason to change them.
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Is your whole family vegetarian? My daughter is leaning that way and we have always been a house of happy omnivores.
Oh my goodness, no! My DH and I are TOTAL carnivores. My DD never ate meat as a baby. Never. And unlike the OP I had no desire to force her to eat something she literally spat out each and every time I tried to feed it to her. Her vegetarianism is not something worth me fighting her over . Especially since my DH and I love good, complex & spicy foods and we didn't want to dumb down our own diet to a kids' palate. Yes, that means I feed my DD her own meal about half the time. The other half we eat the same basic meal but she eats beans or tofu and we eat beef or chicken.
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That is the truth.

As many people have said before in this thread, if you don't like the kid's menu choices don't buy them. Problem solved. If a majority of visitors stop buying the kid's meals, Disney will do research & change them to fit what their guests want to buy. Until then, if they are selling well Disney has no reason to change them.
Exactly.. I don't know a whole heck of a lot about marketing, but it seems to me that common sense would dictate that Disney keeps track of what sells and what doesn't.. (Or in the case of free dining, how much of the children's food offerings are served and/or consumed..)

If people stop purchasing what they consider unhealthy choices for their children - and the numbers drop - then (and only then) will Disney make changes to the menu.. Let's not forget Disney is more than "magic" - their bottom line is to make money..
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Oh my goodness, no! My DH and I are TOTAL carnivores. My DD never ate meat as a baby. Never. And unlike the OP I had no desire to force her to eat something she literally spat out each and every time I tried to feed it to her. Her vegetarianism is not something worth me fighting her over . Especially since my DH and I love good, complex & spicy foods and we didn't want to dumb down our own diet to a kids' palate. Yes, that means I feed my DD her own meal about half the time. The other half we eat the same basic meal but she eats beans or tofu and we eat beef or chicken.
That is where we are. I keep quinoa, tofu and beans with rice in the fridge always. It has been interesting, lol.
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I am with you. Most of them are horrible and it is the number one thing I hate about our trips to Disney (usually 3 times a year or so). I have found some decent ones there though and we try to eat there.
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