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Old 09-07-2010, 11:45 AM   #1531
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BUT, the cost of a WDW vacation has risen much faster than inflation, me thinks, even with discounts. JMO.........
I was thinking that too. Plus it could be argued that those discounts to make the trips more affordable have actually led to WDW going downhill.
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I was thinking that too. Plus it could be argued that those discounts to make the trips more affordable have actually led to WDW going downhill.
Very true because the discounted $$$ has to come from somewhere. And another point. Disney increases prices every year, even in the down economy, BUT they continue to offer discounts to get people in the parks and their resorts. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe it's all just some devious plot by Disney.

Maybe, just maybe, Disney keeps increasing prices each year so that they can offer these discounts to make us think we're getting a deal but we're just paying the prices that Disney truly wants us too...

If someone has the time, I would love to see what the prices w/ all the discounts today compare to day 5 years ago where their weren't so many discounts running around.. 2010 w/ discounts vs 2005 w/o. Hmmmm...makes you think...
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:29 PM   #1533
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I do not believe that WDW per say has gone down hill, In so much as more of the patrons have. After all...."Is this not, the Me Generation"?

BTW, we still continue our travels to WDW. We can be happy or unhappy, anyplace, including WDW.
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BUT, the cost of a WDW vacation has risen much faster than inflation, me thinks, even with discounts. JMO.........
I think that is a fact.A trend that I think won't be going away soon.There are few other things that people have mentioned I really don't agree with though.I remember discounts since the early 90's.The 90's also had probably the biggest addition of parks and attractions in disney world history too.I personally think now it is a higher management issue more than anything.I believe they are in a money grab mode more than ever now!I think they are living on there past reputation and unfortunately they are developing a new one.
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I would bet that the average guest expenditure to attend Disney per day has outpaced inflation. Inclusive of parks, resorts, etc.

It seems to me that Disney is regularly increasing rates because there are certain times of the year that the parks come close to capacity and will do so almost regardless of what they charge. So they are maximizing their revenue during those times of the year when they can. The rest of the year is seeing discounts that are really the equiavelent of eliminating prior year increases down to a certain baseline.

On the dining side, prices seem to have risen so much that I'm of the opinion that non-promotional guests (who aren't on free dining) are now basically subsidizing those that are. I eat at a lot of restaurants in a lot of different places and Disney's prices are way out of line with the quality of the food and for the most part the experience. There's no way they aren't making a ton on guests who are paying "rack" rates for food.
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Name me one thing that hasn't gone downhill in the last few years. A #4 at Mcdonalds 5 years ago was $5.50 now it's $8.00 and half the size. I hope it all turns around soon.
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Okay, I found the answer to my question. I stopped at McDonalds today. A #4 value meal is a double quarter pounder/w cheese, fries and drink @ $6.29. The most expensive value meal is $6.49 and is the crispy chicken club.

Geesh...I know McDonald's prices vary, but that's quite a bit.
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Should I admit this? I found that I liked Disneyland better than any single park at WDW and I enjoyed California more than Florida. Overall WDW is nicer though and I understand that my other fave Universal is much nicer in Florida too.

Check it out sometime!
So Plano you have been to both.Did you stay at the grand californian.How many days to do both parks in the offseason.Did you think the magic kingdom and disneyland were very different. We have been weighing this one for a while and i know we will go eventually.I am kinda curious to see the differences in service, food, costs etc.Thanks for your input in advance!
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So Plano you have been to both.Did you stay at the grand californian.How many days to do both parks in the offseason.Did you think the magic kingdom and disneyland were very different. We have been weighing this one for a while and i know we will go eventually.I am kinda curious to see the differences in service, food, costs etc.Thanks for your input in advance!


GRAND CALI GRAND CALI GRAND CALI ----simply the best.

Ok, give me a minute to compose myself....did I tell you we LOVE the Grand Californian. It is our absolute favorite disney resort, hands down.

3 years ago after we were married I finally convinced DH to try DL. He suffled his feet, whined it was so small, pouted and finally relented. I called our fellow Disney addicts (who loved DL as much as I did) and before you knew it....we were checking into the resort.

Hey....guess what I had playing on the car stereo as we turned into the entrance of the Grand Calif? You got it......"Now is the time".....from carousel of progress in WDW....(Hello, I'm Julie your cruise director!) I always have a "musical tour" from the airport to WDW and DL...last time we arrived at WDW for Flower and Garden.....we drove under the Welcome to Walt Disney World sign to......Welcome Welcome Welcome (daily opening music for the MK). Oh my.....I got off track again. Sorry.

Ok, lets be serious now......

How can you NOT be overwhelmed when you first enter the lobby of the Grand Californian. It is a breathtaking hotel nestled into a teeny footprint of what was once the parking lot. There is a resort tour.....take it....it's worth the time.

What DH soon discovered, however, is there is a special magic at Disneyland. Sure, WDW IS bigger.....but size doesn't always matter. Disneyland park is Walt's park....he walked there....Miss Lillian thought there was not enough shopping so Walt built New Orleans square. When you are taking the train around the park and stop in frontierland, you can here the tapping sounds of the teletype. Guess what is being broadcast? "To all those who come here today, welcome. Disneyland is YOUR land". Remember Walt saying that on opening day?

Yes, it's compact...you transit from one land to another almost instantly. Hey, it's easy for those of us who no longer walk as well as other!

Main Street IS smaller......but it's also charming. The castle IS smaller....but you can walk through and stand on the very spot we have seen Walt stand in the picture. Did you realize Sleeping Beauty's castle was built and named 3 years BEFORE any work on the Sleeping Beauty movie started.

Want some trivia (from an EXCELLENT "Walk in Walt's footsepts" tour - high recommended).

They were building the castle and Walt wanted gold leaf on the tops of the spires. "It's the ONLY thing which will sparkle even on a cloudy day" he told Roy. Roy responded with something like....ARE YOU NUTS - DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH GOLD LEAF COSTS.....in a word, Roy said no. Walt was not one to give up on an idea easily. He simply waited until Roy's next trip to NY and had the castle outfitted with the gold leaf before Roy returned. And those spires continue to sparkle today.

Castmembers are happy, the place is clean (perhaps because they are so close to the big burbank guys). There are even a few rides which kick WDW's butt! Space Mountain - hands down soooo much better at DL. WDW-SM, put your tail between your legs and go home! Pirates...so great...and starting in front of Blue Bayou...very cool.

Now that they are finally finding a way to make California Adventure more than an afterthought, it's just a GREAT choice.

It took no time for DH to fall in love with it as well. We are now out there every 18 months or so between a few WDW trips.

Go with an open mind. You will find the gentle charm of THE magical place which.........."was all started by a mouse".

Bon Voyage!
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If someone has the time, I would love to see what the prices w/ all the discounts today compare to day 5 years ago where their weren't so many discounts running around.. 2010 w/ discounts vs 2005 w/o. Hmmmm...makes you think...
Well I found this site that lists the rack rates for 2005.

So let's compare rack rate from 2005 to discount rate for 2010

I just picked a date 10/03

2005 ~ Courtyard view ~ $255
2010 ~ Courtyard view ~ $207
2010 ~ Courtyard view ~ $345 (no discount)

I don't think I can like to the site here but if you google 2005 disney world rack rates you should get to it.

Of course I didn't get far enough to research if they had open to the general public room only discounts in 2005.
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So Plano you have been to both.Did you stay at the grand californian.How many days to do both parks in the offseason.Did you think the magic kingdom and disneyland were very different. We have been weighing this one for a while and i know we will go eventually.I am kinda curious to see the differences in service, food, costs etc.Thanks for your input in advance!
We stayed at the Candy Cane Inn which is in the same block as the parks and an easy walk away. It came highly recommended which was a good thing because the Disney hotels were super expensive when we visited.

I would say that you could spend two days in Disneyland and at the time half a day in the newer park. I understand that it has been expanded a lot since we've been though. Disneyland is smaller but packs a lot into its more miniscule self. It was charming and maybe I'm too imaginative but I keep seeing Walt in everything. The food was not as good at the time (now it might be equal ) but it was edible.

Disney's best ride in my eyes is there. The Indy ride is amazing. I also loved Fantasyland and Toontown.
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We stayed at the Candy Cane Inn which is in the same block as the parks and an easy walk away. It came highly recommended which was a good thing because the Disney hotels were super expensive when we visited.

I would say that you could spend two days in Disneyland and at the time half a day in the newer park. I understand that it has been expanded a lot since we've been though. Disneyland is smaller but packs a lot into its more miniscule self. It was charming and maybe I'm too imaginative but I keep seeing Walt in everything. The food was not as good at the time (now it might be equal ) but it was edible.

Disney's best ride in my eyes is there. The Indy ride is amazing. I also loved Fantasyland and Toontown.
Thanks for the review we are considering it heavily,but we will definitely go in off season.Crowds and pricing is two biggies for us.Thanks again planogirl. Flicx
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GRAND CALI GRAND CALI GRAND CALI ----simply the best.

Ok, give me a minute to compose myself....did I tell you we LOVE the Grand Californian. It is our absolute favorite disney resort, hands down.

3 years ago after we were married I finally convinced DH to try DL. He suffled his feet, whined it was so small, pouted and finally relented. I called our fellow Disney addicts (who loved DL as much as I did) and before you knew it....we were checking into the resort.

Hey....guess what I had playing on the car stereo as we turned into the entrance of the Grand Calif? You got it......"Now is the time".....from carousel of progress in WDW....(Hello, I'm Julie your cruise director!) I always have a "musical tour" from the airport to WDW and DL...last time we arrived at WDW for Flower and Garden.....we drove under the Welcome to Walt Disney World sign to......Welcome Welcome Welcome (daily opening music for the MK). Oh my.....I got off track again. Sorry.

Ok, lets be serious now......

How can you NOT be overwhelmed when you first enter the lobby of the Grand Californian. It is a breathtaking hotel nestled into a teeny footprint of what was once the parking lot. There is a resort tour.....take it....it's worth the time.

What DH soon discovered, however, is there is a special magic at Disneyland. Sure, WDW IS bigger.....but size doesn't always matter. Disneyland park is Walt's park....he walked there....Miss Lillian thought there was not enough shopping so Walt built New Orleans square. When you are taking the train around the park and stop in frontierland, you can here the tapping sounds of the teletype. Guess what is being broadcast? "To all those who come here today, welcome. Disneyland is YOUR land". Remember Walt saying that on opening day?

Yes, it's compact...you transit from one land to another almost instantly. Hey, it's easy for those of us who no longer walk as well as other!

Main Street IS smaller......but it's also charming. The castle IS smaller....but you can walk through and stand on the very spot we have seen Walt stand in the picture. Did you realize Sleeping Beauty's castle was built and named 3 years BEFORE any work on the Sleeping Beauty movie started.

Want some trivia (from an EXCELLENT "Walk in Walt's footsepts" tour - high recommended).

They were building the castle and Walt wanted gold leaf on the tops of the spires. "It's the ONLY thing which will sparkle even on a cloudy day" he told Roy. Roy responded with something like....ARE YOU NUTS - DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH GOLD LEAF COSTS.....in a word, Roy said no. Walt was not one to give up on an idea easily. He simply waited until Roy's next trip to NY and had the castle outfitted with the gold leaf before Roy returned. And those spires continue to sparkle today.

Castmembers are happy, the place is clean (perhaps because they are so close to the big burbank guys). There are even a few rides which kick WDW's butt! Space Mountain - hands down soooo much better at DL. WDW-SM, put your tail between your legs and go home! Pirates...so great...and starting in front of Blue Bayou...very cool.

Now that they are finally finding a way to make California Adventure more than an afterthought, it's just a GREAT choice.

It took no time for DH to fall in love with it as well. We are now out there every 18 months or so between a few WDW trips.

Go with an open mind. You will find the gentle charm of THE magical place which.........."was all started by a mouse".

Bon Voyage!
Thanks donut thats a great review.We said we were gonna go once and we are gonna treat it like a once in a lifetime trip.Thats why the question about the californian.You should consider giving reviews for the company.I'm sold! Flicx
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Well I found this site that lists the rack rates for 2005.

So let's compare rack rate from 2005 to discount rate for 2010

I just picked a date 10/03

2005 ~ Courtyard view ~ $255
2010 ~ Courtyard view ~ $207
2010 ~ Courtyard view ~ $345 (no discount)

I don't think I can like to the site here but if you google 2005 disney world rack rates you should get to it.

Of course I didn't get far enough to research if they had open to the general public room only discounts in 2005.
The rack rates have jumped,as have the tickets and food.I believe if someone did research on all disney prices there would be no doubt prices have increased faster than inflation.Heres a great fact from my grandma who stayed in the tower in the contemporary shortly after disney world opened.She told me the room was $25.00 a night when she stayed then!She forgot the view but remembered the price.Kinda neat!
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She told me the room was $25.00 a night when she stayed then!She forgot the view but remembered the price.Kinda neat!
In 1971 when the comtemp opened, the room rates were $28-44 a night.

http://www.wdwnewstoday.com/2010/01/...huck-mirarchi/

The average pay in 1971 was $6500. In 2010 it's expected to be about $43,400.

The price of a gallon of gas in 1971 was about .30 in case anyone wanted another price to compare.
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In 1971 when the comtemp opened, the room rates were $28-44 a night.

http://www.wdwnewstoday.com/2010/01/...huck-mirarchi/

The average pay in 1971 was $6500. In 2010 it's expected to be about $43,400.

The price of a gallon of gas in 1971 was about .30 in case anyone wanted another price to compare.
She told me it was a special or something' she has a great memory apparently.I know they only stayed one night.I didn't really post to compare prices' just thought I would mention the memory.I will stand by my opinion of disney world prices go up way faster than inflation though!
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