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Old 08-23-2010, 03:12 PM   #91
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Then explain why Princess cruises can go round trip from Los Angeles and only has Ensanada as it's only port of call?
Because it is round-trip. The rules are different for round trips.

If DCL *started* in Ensenada or LA, then went to Hawaii, then to Vancouver, that would qualify, as long as people didn't permanently disembark in Hawaii.

The rule is between 2 US ports. If you leave from one US port and end in a different US port, the foreign port has to be distant. But I don't see anything in the Passenger Vessel Services Act that says that if you start or end in a foreign port that it needs to be distant.

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Old 08-23-2010, 03:25 PM   #92
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But I don't see anything in the Passenger Vessel Services Act that says that if you start or end in a foreign port that it needs to be distant.
I agree. The DISTANT port requirement comes into play when the voyage begins in one U.S. port and ends in another.

Disney could offer one-way cruises back and forth between Vancouver and Hawaii, complete with calls at other Hawaiian islands and a land portion at the Aulani. It would be a long cruise with five straight days at sea between Vancouver and the island of Hawaii.

From a PVSA perspective, it would be the same as Alaska cruises that begin or end in Vancouver.

Having the mainland end in Ensenada would also be an option. But, given the current state of air service into Ensenada, it would involve a long bus ride from San Diego to Ensenada.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:51 PM   #93
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I bet the Hawaii stops will be made on the way to, and back from cruises to Australia, New Zealand and the south pacific, or maybe Japan.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:22 PM   #94
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I bet the Hawaii stops will be made on the way to, and back from cruises to Australia, New Zealand and the south pacific, or maybe Japan.
Anyone know if they are apt to keep Alaska in 2012? I assume they would do another season in Alaska given they just started in 2011. So if they are apt to keep Alaska going for 2012 for summer months, this idea might indicate they would stop doing Mexican Riveria cruises and venture out if they doing something with Hawaii enroute or back to Asia somewhere.

I did read an article recently that would indicate many cruise lines have not been doing so well with the MR cruise itineraries of late on sales. I know we are taking one on Disney - the kids sail free offer is what caused us to book this for winter break to try this cruise out. I think that sail helped Disney fill the ships this coming winter too.

I guess we'll all find out soon enough what is in store for new itineraries in 2012......
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If I had to venture a guess, I would think that they would keep Alaska for summer 2012. It seems to be selling well for 2011 and with this economy, I think they would build on that rather than look for a new market for the Wonder for the summer. So I take the two port calls in Hawaii as the repositioning cruises between LA and Vancouver. I don't expect them to put any new markets (especially Asia) on the calendar for the Wonder -- she has a contract with the port of LA.

As for moving the Magic to the Pacific to do Asian cruises, that may come down the line but I think until the economy turns, they won't put that out there for 2012. I think they may try different US homeports for the Magic in 2012 to see if they have success in filling her without having to offer specials like the KSF offers.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:40 PM   #96
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great, but are you willing to take out a loan from the bank too pay for it though b/c I'm sure it will have a bigg price tag.....$$$$$$$$$.....
So true. I remember hearing folks say "If they offer Alaska, I am there". Then the prices came out and then I heard complaining about the cost but no booking.
Same with the Northern Baltic. When the price came out, there were a lot of folks changing their minds.

I am sure that IF DCL goes to Hawaii, it will be the most expensive cruise yet.
As far as Asia or Tahiti goes, that will be after they would do Hawaii.
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Some lines occasionally offer cruises of a month or longer that go from the West Coast to numerous ports in Asia. The passengers tend to be affluent retirees, not families with children and employed parents. I don't see Disney trying to compete in this market.

I don't expect any cruises longer than twice-yearly, 2-week repositioning cruises that include a few Hawaiian ports (as the ship shifts between Vancouver and Los Angles).

I could imagine Oriental Land Company, owners of the Tokyo Disneyland Resort, getting into the cruise business through a licensing agreement with Disney. The ship(s) would be based in Tokyo and be marketed primarily to Japanese customers.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:57 PM   #98
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Here's my 2 cents.

2012
Jan to may
7 night Mexican Riviera cruises

In May repo the Wonder to Vancouver via Hawaii

May to Sept.
7 night Alaskan cruises

in Sept. repo the wonder back to LA via Hawaii

Sept. th Dec.
7 night Mexican Riviera cruises

I do not think that Disney's Hawaii resort is going to need any "help" from DCL to fill up rooms already pirced starting at $399 a night.
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So true. I remember hearing folks say "If they offer Alaska, I am there". Then the prices came out and then I heard complaining about the cost but no booking.
Same with the Northern Baltic. When the price came out, there were a lot of folks changing their minds.

I am sure that IF DCL goes to Hawaii, it will be the most expensive cruise yet.
As far as Asia or Tahiti goes, that will be after they would do Hawaii.
I agree the cost is an issue, but what has been the major compliant about Alaska is not offering Glacier Bay. For the Baltics for us it was the flight costs.
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I am happy to hear a little more concrete news about Hawaii. Living close to the West Coast definitely makes this a very welcomed option - I will definitely be booking this destination onboard the Wonder in January if it is being offered .
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I'm saying DCL cannot legally operate one-way cruises between California and Hawaii.

However, DCL can legally sail between Los Angeles and Vancouver with several days calling on ports in Hawaii "on the way." Because they need to reposition the ship between Los Angeles (for Mexican Riviera cruises September - May) and Vancouver (for Alaska cruises May - September), DCL appears to be checking into Hawaiian port availability for May and September.

A repositioning cruise with several Hawaiian ports takes around 2 weeks.

DCL could also decide to operate shorter repositioning cruises up and down the Pacific coast instead.

DCL could also legally operate 2-week "closed loop" Hawaii cruises from California, with a stop in Ensenada. But based on the newspaper article link that started with thread, I don't think that's what DCL is currently planning.

Anyone who expects to use DCL for transportation from California to Hawaii, then stay at the Aulani, and then fly or take another cruise back to California will be find that this won't be possible.
What is the fine, for not following the PSVA?

Per Person or per ship?
Has a cruise line be known to just pay the fine to get the route the may want? thanks HH
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I bet the Hawaii stops will be made on the way to, and back from cruises to Australia, New Zealand and the south pacific, or maybe Japan.
If they actually go to Hawaii twice (May/September), it's obviously part of a repositioning cruise (or two repo cruses). Repo to Vancouver by way of Hawaii makes no sense at all. My guess - far east. Japan, Hong Kong, etc.
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My vote:

2012
Jan to may
7 night Mexican Riviera cruises

In May repo the Wonder to Far East via Hawaii. Probably 2 one-way repos as compared to a single long cruise.

May to Sept.
About 10 night Japan/Hong Kong maybe Korea

in Sept. repo the wonder back to LA via Hawaii

Sept. th Dec.
7 night Mexican Riviera cruises
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