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Old 08-22-2002, 03:20 PM   #1
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Universal Domination?

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/archives...universal.html

Jim Hill latest article on Universal and Disney...

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Speaking of Peter Jackson: Here's one reason that Disney's infamous Imagineers envy the folks at Universal Creative: Universal has the theme park rights to use all of J.R.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" characters to build new shows and rides around. And here's another reason why Mickey gets jealous whenever anyone ever brings up Universal: You know J.K. Rowling's highly popular "Harry Potter" series. Universal Studios has the theme park rights to all of those characters as well
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Old 08-22-2002, 03:45 PM   #2
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Why does Universal have the rights to Either of those? they are both Warner Products, shouldn't they go to Six Flaggs?

If DIsney wanted Harry Potter or LotR rides, they should have bought the movie rights.
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Old 08-22-2002, 03:49 PM   #3
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Disney would have liked Harry Potter. ME was very upset that they didn't have a chance to bid on them. Universal outsmarted him and negotiated a deal with JK Rowling without any other bids being taken...

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Old 08-22-2002, 04:00 PM   #4
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I think one of Disney's film distributors could have handled LotR or Harry Potter, but I don't know that I see these as 'Disney' fare and am not sure they would make for 'Disney' rides. Too much sorcery and fantasy, and not the Fantasyland like fantasy if you know what I mean. Yeah, I know, The Sorcerors Apprentice - but this was a Mickey cartoon, not 'real' sorcery. Maybe it's just that we are not fans of LotR or Harry Potter.
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Old 08-22-2002, 04:43 PM   #5
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DisneyKidds, the Black Cauldron was based on Loyyd Alexander's work which was heavily influenced by Tolkien. So, in fact they do have ties to that kind of fantasy.
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Does the Black Cauldron seem like a genre Disney should be anxious to get back into?
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Old 08-22-2002, 05:19 PM   #7
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Captain, I ask myself that question each and every day. More Gurgi, I say, more Gurgi! John Byner needs the work!
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Hey, it could be a great realm to be into, the problem is that The book of three is too little too late in 2002.

Unless they go live action...
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At the risk of fanning the flames:
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Too much sorcery and fantasy, and not the Fantasyland like fantasy if you know what I mean.
What about the sea witch in the Little Mermaid, the enchantress in Beauty & the Beast, the Genie in Aladdin, or even Tinkerbelle in Peter Pan and the Evil Queen in Snow White? Sorcery and Magic are Disney's stock and trade, winding in and out of a variety of their films.

The only real difference is that most of these are 'fairy tales' that have been around for a very long time, in one form or another. Harry Potter, especially, is just another type of fairy tale, just more recent. And, just to add to the mix, if you read Rowling, there's very little actual magic occuring in her books. Tolkein is a more elaborate 'fairy tale', again with little actual magic occurring in the storyline.

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Apparently disney doesnt want to be involved in succesful films like LOTR or Harry Potter which can easily be used for synergy, their favorite buzzword. I guess instead why Universal has these films to use as vehicles for rides/attractions disney can use films like Reign of Fire and Bad Company. Not to hard to see why will more than likely be more successful.
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Reread my post Bob...:D
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I hardly think that the genre is that important anyway. When I look at MGM, I see a variety of stories many of which have little to do with the traditional Disney story.

I sure do wish that Disney could have done something with either one of these films. And I don't mean a spinner but a good dark ride would have been super.
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Hopefully Eisner will be smart and consider cutting his losses on ABC by selling it, and putting WDW in position to compete with Universal. Some other assets should probably be dumped. Let's get lean and mean, and I don't mean by downsizing people.

Isn't Diller the one who values others' input and puts good managers in place?
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Come on, isn't that what we are here for .

Most of the Disney features have a villain - they are essential to a good story. Good story is essential for good show - just ask Baron. However, I think that LotR and HP are different.

All the things you mention - yes, Ursula conjures up a potion, the witch poisons the apple, the enchantress casts the spell on Beast, Tinkerbell - well she is harmless. But look at them all - they are simply one element to the story. While there is sorcery and magic, it is limited - it serves an important purpose - but it is not the focus. Heck, the enchantress is back-story. In all the films you mention the focus is on romance, relationships, choices, morals and the like - with the sorcery and magic forcing some of those choices, but not acting as a main focus of the story. Does that make any sense?

How are LotR and HP different? Well, the sorcery and magic is THE story, or at least such an integral part that is continually seen and focused on. Sure, there may be romance, relationships, choices, morals - but at best (from my perspective) they are on equal footing with the sorcery and magic, at worst they are secondary. To me it is classic fairy tale vs. new age lore. The classic fairy tale appeal to the masses - the new age lore doesn't.

Another thing that represents a big difference. In the films you mention it is the villain that performs the sorcery and the magic. In LotR and HP it is the hero - heck, it is everybody. That just doesn't seem 'Disney' to me.

Ah - what do I know? Baron likes to point out I don't have a clue what 'Disney' is. If he comes to play on this thread I'm sure I'll get an ear full - he likes LotR and HP.

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Old 08-22-2002, 10:44 PM   #15
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DisneyKidds:

"The classic fairy tale appeal to the masses - the new age lore doesn't."

I wouldn't call Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter new age lore, but it sure seems to me they appeal to the masses. Book sales and movie receipts prove that. LOTR has been around for decades and has staying power. We'll see if Harry Potter does, but I think it will.
I think they will also be very popular attractions at Universal theme parks.

I believe Disney would love to have the opportunity to base rides on either property, but maybe not?

True, there would be a fundamentalist element up in arms about basing attractions on magic use, but those factions are already mad at Disney over a myriad of other issues — and many have already boycotted Disney. But that's another story.
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