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Old 07-22-2013, 09:06 AM   #3136
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:16 AM   #3137
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I don't feel bad for her at all. I think her actions and her mouth has put her in this situation. She is always shifting the blame on everyone else. Even the Dr. said last night that she has to take some accountability at some point. When she was talking about Jacqueline being the reason for joe not speaking to her the Dr. totally called her out and said "but you WERE involved." She talks about sticking with her and not listening to what others say but yet she's always right there when Kim D is running her mouth about Melissa. If it were reversed I'm sure Teresa would be pissed that Melissa didn't stand up for her, her sister in law. But yet she says nothing. Years of rotten behavior has brought her to a very dark lonely place.
I think Melissa and Teresa are guilty of doing the same things to one another. Teresa does need to own up to her part in it but so does Melissa. Melissa hangs out with people that don't like Teresa (Jaq) but everyone calls Teresa out for Kim D. Joe and Melissa both say all kinds of mean things about Teresa's husband but they flip out if Teresa says anything about Melissa.
It seemed very clear that Melissa doesn't want Joe and Tre to make up. I do think she's in Joe's ear, stoking the fire between Joe and Teresa. She doesn't want them to make up which is why she wouldn't let Joe and Teresa talk without her.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:37 AM   #3138
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I think Melissa and Teresa are guilty of doing the same things to one another. Teresa does need to own up to her part in it but so does Melissa. Melissa hangs out with people that don't like Teresa (Jaq) but everyone calls Teresa out for Kim D. Joe and Melissa both say all kinds of mean things about Teresa's husband but they flip out if Teresa says anything about Melissa.
It seemed very clear that Melissa doesn't want Joe and Tre to make up. I do think she's in Joe's ear, stoking the fire between Joe and Teresa. She doesn't want them to make up which is why she wouldn't let Joe and Teresa talk without her.
I'm not really a fan of either one of them... But I do disagree about Melissa, only because we have something similar going on with my husband's family (in a normal way of course lol). I think they all have fault, but I think Teresa has been the biggest problem of them all. Nothing is going to get resolved if she doesn't buck up and accept some responsibility.

IMO, the person who has a feuding family will always say 'one more try,' 'okay let's see if this works,' 'this is the last one,' and they'll just never stop even to the detriment of their own personal family. At some point someone has to say enough is enough and the first one to say it isn't the family member, it's the one that gets dragged through the mud along with them. Joe and Teresa need to be the ones to work it out, but in the meantime Melissa is going through the emotions, the drama, the pitfalls, but she's supposed to step back and let them deal with it. It's a terrible place to be stuck in. I think she genuinely wants them to makeup but she's tired of trying different things, putting themselves through the stress, and getting nowhere. When it feels like an endless circle it's logical to say stop.

The fist fight happened during their first few hours. You can bet your life that if my husband got into a fist fight with his brother in law and I watched his sister running away instead of helping that I'd say the same thing when she came to talk alone. Joe said he didn't want to talk, so why would she leave? I wouldn't. If Teresa had asked to speak with Joe alone pre-fist fight I have no doubt both spouses would have been fine with it. And frankly, if Joe had looked at Melissa and said 'no, it's okay. Give us a minute' I think she would have. But he gave no indication of wanting to speak to her, let alone be alone with her, and she probably handled it more gracefully then I would have. I think her initial reaction was the same way I would have - they just had a peaceful year without Teresa, she is going on a retreat to try to mend things again when she doesn't want to because she doesn't think it will work, and the first night the husbands are fist fighting.... I'd be more than done too.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:54 AM   #3139
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I'm not really a fan of either one of them... But I do disagree about Melissa, only because we have something similar going on with my husband's family (in a normal way of course lol). I think they all have fault, but I think Teresa has been the biggest problem of them all. Nothing is going to get resolved if she doesn't buck up and accept some responsibility.

IMO, the person who has a feuding family will always say 'one more try,' 'okay let's see if this works,' 'this is the last one,' and they'll just never stop even to the detriment of their own personal family. At some point someone has to say enough is enough and the first one to say it isn't the family member, it's the one that gets dragged through the mud along with them. Joe and Teresa need to be the ones to work it out, but in the meantime Melissa is going through the emotions, the drama, the pitfalls, but she's supposed to step back and let them deal with it. It's a terrible place to be stuck in. I think she genuinely wants them to makeup but she's tired of trying different things, putting themselves through the stress, and getting nowhere. When it feels like an endless circle it's logical to say stop.

The fist fight happened during their first few hours. You can bet your life that if my husband got into a fist fight with his brother in law and I watched his sister running away instead of helping that I'd say the same thing when she came to talk alone. Joe said he didn't want to talk, so why would she leave? I wouldn't. If Teresa had asked to speak with Joe alone pre-fist fight I have no doubt both spouses would have been fine with it. And frankly, if Joe had looked at Melissa and said 'no, it's okay. Give us a minute' I think she would have. But he gave no indication of wanting to speak to her, let alone be alone with her, and she probably handled it more gracefully then I would have. I think her initial reaction was the same way I would have - they just had a peaceful year without Teresa, she is going on a retreat to try to mend things again when she doesn't want to because she doesn't think it will work, and the first night the husbands are fist fighting.... I'd be more than done too.

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Teresa ran to get help. There were probably only camera people there and they would keep filming instead of helping. She genuinely seemed upset. I wouldn't have gotten in the middle of those two fighting either.
Of course after the fight there was Melissa turning it on Teresa.
Maybe Joe didn't want to talk but he's an adult and Melissa does need to stay out of it. It wasn't just Teresa. Rosie was there too.

It seems to me like he's wanted to make up with Teresa but then Melissa will come and put something in his ear to make him mad at Teresa again. Its the same with Teresa and her husband. If she hadn't gone to him and told him her brother called her names, he would've stayed out of it. I think Melissa does the same thing. Everyone calls Teresa out on it but not Melissa.

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:24 AM   #3140
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Teresa ran to get help. There were probably only camera people there and they would keep filming instead of helping. She genuinely seemed upset. I wouldn't have gotten in the middle of those two fighting either.
Of course after the fight there was Melissa turning it on Teresa.
Maybe Joe didn't want to talk but he's an adult and Melissa does need to stay out of it. It wasn't just Teresa. Rosie was there too.

It seems to me like he's wanted to make up with Teresa but then Melissa will come and put something in his ear to make him mad at Teresa again. Its the same with Teresa and her husband. If she hadn't gone to him and told him her brother called her names, he would've stayed out of it. I think Melissa does the same thing. Everyone calls Teresa out on it but not Melissa.

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I totally agree with you.

To the people that think Teresa ran away. If Teresa stayed and didn't get help, what was she going to do? Was she going to scratch Joe Gorga's face like Melissa was doing to Joe Guidice?

That entire family has issues, and no one wants to claim that they had some sort of responsibility in the mess.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:02 AM   #3141
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I totally agree with you.

To the people that think Teresa ran away. If Teresa stayed and didn't get help, what was she going to do? Was she going to scratch Joe Gorga's face like Melissa was doing to Joe Guidice?

That entire family has issues, and no one wants to claim that they had some sort of responsibility in the mess.
I saw Melissa smack Joe and I just @_@

I think her trying to get into the middle would have been taken better on her husbands end than all those,other people. She's the only person up the two Joes share in common. I just can't imagine running out of the room while two people I care about are in a fist fight! She said she was getting someone to call the cops... Who?! Everyone was in that room - the two therapists, the family, and the crew (who I've always seen jump in to pull people apart on any show). Is there a reason she can't call the cops herself? She didn't actually follow through on getting any help.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:14 AM   #3142
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Teresa ran to get help. There were probably only camera people there and they would keep filming instead of helping. She genuinely seemed upset. I wouldn't have gotten in the middle of those two fighting either.
Of course after the fight there was Melissa turning it on Teresa.
Maybe Joe didn't want to talk but he's an adult and Melissa does need to stay out of it. It wasn't just Teresa. Rosie was there too.

It seems to me like he's wanted to make up with Teresa but then Melissa will come and put something in his ear to make him mad at Teresa again. Its the same with Teresa and her husband. If she hadn't gone to him and told him her brother called her names, he would've stayed out of it. I think Melissa does the same thing. Everyone calls Teresa out on it but not Melissa.

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I mean, either Joe is an adult or he's not. If he's adult enough to deal with Teresa himself then he's adult enough to form his own conclusions when Melissa talks to him. And Joe said he didn't want to to talk to Teresa, so why would Melissa leave? To force him into it? If he had asked her to leave and she still said no I would feel differently. But I would have done the same thing while using some far more colorful language. Rosie wanting them to talk too doesn't really do much for me. Joe didn't want to. IMO that's where it stops. Rosie should be less involved than Melissa.

I actually don't think Teresa was in the wrong for saying something to her husband about the comment. She wanted to leave, she's going to tell him why. I don't think she was out of line for that. joe is a big boy. he can reign in his reactions. I think they need to get through the angry name calling stage before they can really talk. just let it all out, but someone ends up running away so they never get to the end of that phase and move on to the next.

I've never really understood them arguing about spouses sharing conversations. Although, I'm a personal fan of only expecting others to do things I'm willing to do myself. If Teresa doesn't think it's right that Melissa tells her husband everything, then she should be leading by example instead of tossing out the 'well Melissa does it' line OR quit complaining about it and accept that it's a part of marriage.

I think the whole thing was approached poorly. Teresa and Joe should have begun with one on one therapy.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:28 AM   #3143
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I've never liked Melissa she's a pot stirrer! I think she has her own issues and perpetuates the drama!


Teresa has always been shown as the instigator and Melissa as the victim. It's refreshing to see the Melissa is just as much to blame!

I really believe that the whole mess could be worked out if everyone stayed out of it! When Melissa refused to leave the room I could have screamed.

I do think to Joe Guidicie reacted as any man would have! He DIDN'T go in there charging, he asked ( ok yelled) his BIL to apologize to his wife. My husband would have done the exact same thing and I don't see anything wrong with it! Joe Guidicie has his issues, don't get me wrong but, he hasn't reacted until last night! My husband would have came unglued the 1st time I was called trashed!
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I'm confused. Isn't much of the reason Joe and Teresa are having problems, because she is always in the middle of a rumor being spread about Melissa. Melissa has tried to make amends, but then Teresa is at it again. Teresa also talks badly about Melissa to her parents and her kids. If I was Melissa, i think I would have had enough of it too. I get Teresa looking out for her brother, but at some point she has to realize that Melissa isn't going anywhere. If Teresa told her friends ENOUGH, then I think things would improve. Am I not seeing this right, or is there something else?
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I mean, either Joe is an adult or he's not. If he's adult enough to deal with Teresa himself then he's adult enough to form his own conclusions when Melissa talks to him. And Joe said he didn't want to to talk to Teresa, so why would Melissa leave? To force him into it? If he had asked her to leave and she still said no I would feel differently. But I would have done the same thing while using some far more colorful language. Rosie wanting them to talk too doesn't really do much for me. Joe didn't want to. IMO that's where it stops. Rosie should be less involved than Melissa.

I actually don't think Teresa was in the wrong for saying something to her husband about the comment. She wanted to leave, she's going to tell him why. I don't think she was out of line for that. joe is a big boy. he can reign in his reactions. I think they need to get through the angry name calling stage before they can really talk. just let it all out, but someone ends up running away so they never get to the end of that phase and move on to the next.

I've never really understood them arguing about spouses sharing conversations. Although, I'm a personal fan of only expecting others to do things I'm willing to do myself. If Teresa doesn't think it's right that Melissa tells her husband everything, then she should be leading by example instead of tossing out the 'well Melissa does it' line OR quit complaining about it and accept that it's a part of marriage.

I think the whole thing was approached poorly. Teresa and Joe should have begun with one on one therapy.
The production people weren't in the room or they would have jumped in. That's what always happened in the past. She probably ran to get them.

You are right, either Joe is an adult or he isn't. I don't think he is. I think Melissa does control him. She didn't like Caroline talking to him. She didn't want Teresa talking to him.
Rosie is family and they have always been close. I think Melissa wants to make it them against the rest of his family (if they don't agree with her). While Melissa is his wife and they have their own family, she doesn't have the same bonds or interaction that he has with his own family and she probably doesn't understand the way they are, nor does she want to. If Joe were to get in the middle of problems between her and her sisters. I think most people would say he was wrong.
I don't really know if Teresa was in the wrong for telling her husband what her brother said. She was hurt and had nobody else is there to turn to. Everyone blamed her for the fight though. Honestly it looked to me like Joe Gorga is the one that went over Joe Guidice. Same thing at the christening.

This whole season Joe Gorga has seemed very hurt and upset about fighting with Teresa. Melissa seems happy with them not talking. Its what she wanted but she should care more about helping her husband who is obviously in pain over the whole thing.
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I'm confused. Isn't much of the reason Joe and Teresa are having problems, because she is always in the middle of a rumor being spread about Melissa. Melissa has tried to make amends, but then Teresa is at it again. Teresa also talks badly about Melissa to her parents and her kids. If I was Melissa, i think I would have had enough of it too. I get Teresa looking out for her brother, but at some point she has to realize that Melissa isn't going anywhere. If Teresa told her friends ENOUGH, then I think things would improve. Am I not seeing this right, or is there something else?
I was under the impression that Teresa wasn't involved in the stripper thing. I thought it was cleared up at the reunion last year that it was all Kim D.
Even this new thing with Melissa's friend and the cheating rumors isn't Teresa's fault really. She sat at that table and told them she didn't want to hear about it but they are still acting like she's to blame. Yes, she needs to get rid of Kim D as a friend but I do think she's being blamed for things other people do.
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I'm confused. Isn't much of the reason Joe and Teresa are having problems, because she is always in the middle of a rumor being spread about Melissa. Melissa has tried to make amends, but then Teresa is at it again. Teresa also talks badly about Melissa to her parents and her kids. If I was Melissa, i think I would have had enough of it too. I get Teresa looking out for her brother, but at some point she has to realize that Melissa isn't going anywhere. If Teresa told her friends ENOUGH, then I think things would improve. Am I not seeing this right, or is there something else?
This this this!!!!!!!! I agree with you 100%!!!!! I think Melissa has gotten the way she is with Teresa because she has had it! Even though its not Teresa spreading the rumors she always seems to be right in the middle of it! But you're right if Teresa would just stand up to her friends then I think Melissa would forgive her. Like I said before if it were Melissa's friends spreading rumors about Teresa and Melissa didn't put an end to it Teresa would be crying to her brother about it!!!
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This this this!!!!!!!! I agree with you 100%!!!!! I think Melissa has gotten the way she is with Teresa because she has had it! Even though its not Teresa spreading the rumors she always seems to be right in the middle of it! But you're right if Teresa would just stand up to her friends then I think Melissa would forgive her. Like I said before if it were Melissa's friends spreading rumors about Teresa and Melissa didn't put an end to it Teresa would be crying to her brother about it!!!
Melissa is friends with Jacqueline and the Manzos. Now Teresa and Caroline are in a better place now but not Jacqueline. Melissa was right in the middle of all that drama.

Teresa did tell the ladies at lunch she didn't want to hear about the Melissa cheating stuff but she is still being blamed.
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Melissa is friends with Jacqueline and the Manzos. Now Teresa and Caroline are in a better place now but not Jacqueline. Melissa was right in the middle of all that drama.

Teresa did tell the ladies at lunch she didn't want to hear about the Melissa cheating stuff but she is still being blamed.
I think if Teresa made it clear, "don't talk about my family" to her friends, they wouldn't talk about her family (at least when the cameras are rolling). If my friends can't respect my wishes, I need to re-evaluate my relationship with them. Sure Teresa said she didn't want to be involved, but it seemed like it was more for the cameras, and was not sincere.
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I think if Teresa made it clear, "don't talk about my family" to her friends, they wouldn't talk about her family (at least when the cameras are rolling). If my friends can't respect my wishes, I need to re-evaluate my relationship with them. Sure Teresa said she didn't want to be involved, but it seemed like it was more for the cameras, and was not sincere.
She was upfront with Melissa about the stripper guy though. She took Melissa aside and told her what the guy had said and it backfired on her because she had spoken with the guy she was blamed. I think she can't win no matter what she does.

oh Melissa was talking to Danielle at some point too. I don't see how that's any different.
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