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Old 01-31-2010, 10:15 PM   #121
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Kevin,

I will be lifting you and your family in prayer in the days to come. May justice and truth come to light in this situation.

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Old 01-31-2010, 10:28 PM   #122
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Wow! That is insane! Im sorry you had to go through that in the first place and to have to go through this...unbelievable!
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:37 PM   #123
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I can imagine that if I ran over someone, I wouldn't be outraged to be arrested. I would be sick over it, no matter when I did drugs last.

The police reports according to the article also found him to be under the influence based on their observations. That should count for something.
of COURSE you would be sick over it. its a HORRIBLE Thing. anyone would be sick if they were involved in this. I read the article, i saw what it said. the way he was acting after the accident doesnt PROVE anything though. there have been SOBER people that fail the curbside police sobriety tests, they are just a very basic prelimanary test to see if they need to go further with blood and alcohol testing. the only way to prove if he was affected by the drugs is with more testing than they are currently providing.

just based on statistics, MANY of you on here either have smoked pot, or know someone who does. Heck , in CA and quite a few other states, it is given to you legally for medical reasons. If you smoked pot a week ago, you are NOT still high today, it has zero affect on how you drive. yet if they test you for it, it is still right there in your system. I dont know if that is what happened in this case, i have no idea, nor do you. The only way to determine that is for them to change they way the test for it. This is still a horrible situation either way, the BEST thing for them to do would be to test this guys blood sample and see what levels are in it, and THEN throw the book at him if he was shown to have been impared while driving.

I am ALL for prosecuting people that drive while high or drunk, throw the book at them, but getting drunk last week, and driving today is not the same thing as drinking and driving.
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:49 PM   #124
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I am ALL for prosecuting people that drive while high or drunk, throw the book at them, but getting drunk last week, and driving today is not the same thing as drinking and driving.
But that is what the driver CLAIMS, not what the evidence suggests, and it would seem that there is sufficient evidence to do further testing (which they CAN do), but the prosecutor in the case is choosing not to for unknown reasons.
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:53 PM   #125
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of COURSE you would be sick over it. its a HORRIBLE Thing. anyone would be sick if they were involved in this. I read the article, i saw what it said. the way he was acting after the accident doesnt PROVE anything though. there have been SOBER people that fail the curbside police sobriety tests, they are just a very basic prelimanary test to see if they need to go further with blood and alcohol testing. the only way to prove if he was affected by the drugs is with more testing than they are currently providing.

just based on statistics, MANY of you on here either have smoked pot, or know someone who does. Heck , in CA and quite a few other states, it is given to you legally for medical reasons. If you smoked pot a week ago, you are NOT still high today, it has zero affect on how you drive. yet if they test you for it, it is still right there in your system. I dont know if that is what happened in this case, i have no idea, nor do you. The only way to determine that is for them to change they way the test for it. This is still a horrible situation either way, the BEST thing for them to do would be to test this guys blood sample and see what levels are in it, and THEN throw the book at him if he was shown to have been impared while driving.

I am ALL for prosecuting people that drive while high or drunk, throw the book at them, but getting drunk last week, and driving today is not the same thing as drinking and driving.
While I'm sure you don't mean it the way it sounds, attempting to explain what might have happened is quite beside the point and borders on the insensitive, given the forum and the fact that a person died and his son has to read this.

This isn't a case of drinking last week and driving today. Drugs were found in the center console and the trunk. Mr. Klose died three feet from the bike lane after crossing four lanes of traffic and a median. The officers noted an impairment in talking to him.

I read the Florida DUI statute and the court decision the prosecutor cited in deciding not to press charges. None of the above facts were present.

Maybe a jury might not convict. But to not even try (based on what I know) makes me sick.

Please, anyone in this situation deserves support, not argument.
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:59 PM   #126
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But that is what the driver CLAIMS, not what the evidence suggests, and it would seem that there is sufficient evidence to do further testing (which they CAN do), but the prosecutor in the case is choosing not to for unknown reasons.
talking slowly and acting calm does not Guarantee that he was impaired. a comprehensive drug test does, so i am agreeing with you , they need to do more testing. No one can predict 100% how someone will act after an accident. not everyone is the same.

believe me, i would love to see this guy go down hard if he is guilty, but i want him convicted the RIGHT way, with actual proof, not an opinion. There is more than enough evidence in this case to begin a full test, it is a shame they are not doing that.
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Old 01-31-2010, 11:05 PM   #127
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Kevin, that's awful and completely outrageous. I can speak for Mike when I say that we will both be writing letters. If anone finds an e-mail address, please share.

What my DW said!

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Old 01-31-2010, 11:24 PM   #128
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of COURSE you would be sick over it. its a HORRIBLE Thing. anyone would be sick if they were involved in this. I read the article, i saw what it said. the way he was acting after the accident doesnt PROVE anything though. there have been SOBER people that fail the curbside police sobriety tests, they are just a very basic prelimanary test to see if they need to go further with blood and alcohol testing. the only way to prove if he was affected by the drugs is with more testing than they are currently providing.

just based on statistics, MANY of you on here either have smoked pot, or know someone who does. Heck , in CA and quite a few other states, it is given to you legally for medical reasons. If you smoked pot a week ago, you are NOT still high today, it has zero affect on how you drive. yet if they test you for it, it is still right there in your system. I dont know if that is what happened in this case, i have no idea, nor do you. The only way to determine that is for them to change they way the test for it. This is still a horrible situation either way, the BEST thing for them to do would be to test this guys blood sample and see what levels are in it, and THEN throw the book at him if he was shown to have been impared while driving.

I am ALL for prosecuting people that drive while high or drunk, throw the book at them, but getting drunk last week, and driving today is not the same thing as drinking and driving.
I understand everything you are saying and agree with you.

This man has a history of drug arrests and has never been punished, as the judges felt he shouldnt have to admit to being a felon.

There is a test available to show whether he was impaired and the State Attorney has decided not to do the test. My Dad's life was weighed against an $800 test.

This was not a case of someone jumping off a curb or not looking where he was going.

An attorney has told us that my Dad had "legal control of the road" as a pedestrian. Ne had navigated 4 lanes and a median.

David Lanier has over 20 arrests. I've only mentioned the drug arrests.

Knowing that he has a history of drug abuse and arrests, knowing that he had drug paraphernalia in his automobile, knowing that trained police officers suspected that he was under the influence, knowing that my Dad wasnt in the middle of the road and this person had ample time to spot him and stop should tell you along with everyone else, including the State Attorney, that this man should have been tested and should not be driving.

You can play devil's advocate all you like, but everything I know and believe tells me this man is guilty and should be punished in some way.

Instead, he has been let go with not a single penalty.

I hope you are this understanding should a person suspected of being impaired kill someone you love (god forbid). I hope you are rational enough to question when he used an illegal substance.
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Old 01-31-2010, 11:27 PM   #129
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I work in a drug rehab facility and reading this just makes me want to scream!! I am so mad that they are letting this guy off the hook. This is soooo extremely wrong. I'm so sorry Kevin. I will be writing to express my outrage.
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:53 AM   #130
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Kevin I am so sorry, my heart, love, and prayers go out to you and your family. I read both articles posted by you and Pete twice, and I just cannot believe they are letting this guy go.
I knew how you father died, but not why!
This has just componded the sadness I feel for your family and you.

I do plan to write a personal letter to express my disgust with the justice system and how they have handled this case.
I am hoping that if there is a big enough outcry, that this will change how they decide to handle this case.
I am thinking I will also forward a copy of my letter to the Govenor of Flordia.

Again I am so sorry!
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Old 02-01-2010, 03:06 AM   #131
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That is totally insane, I can't believe they dropped charges. What is the world coming to?
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:16 AM   #132
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I don't really understand the legal system and how it all works. I get the basics but not the ins and outs of it. What I don't understand is- ok so they drop the DUI charges as they related to Mr Klose's death but why was he not instead charged with manslaughter and drug possession as two separate charges. Given that He has had charges dropped before, I like someone else mentioned, have to wonder if he knows someone in the system or otherwise has some sort of pull to be able to not be held accountable for these charges that never get prosecuted.
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:07 AM   #133
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I'm posting the link to the article about my Dad's death because I think what the state of Florida is doing is an outrage.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,641621.story

The DUI manslaughter charges against the man that hit and killed my Dad have been DROPPED.

The article explains why.

I apologize that this is not the most pleasant article to read....but I feel like I have to let people know.

There is a place to comment, so if you feel the need, please do so.

This whole thing is having a devastating effect on my family.
Kevin, I'm so sorry. The loss of your Dad is bad enough, but what this state is doing to your family is criminal.
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:29 AM   #134
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Hi Folks,

I'm posting the link to the article about my Dad's death because I think what the state of Florida is doing is an outrage.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,641621.story

The DUI manslaughter charges against the man that hit and killed my Dad have been DROPPED.

The article explains why.

I apologize that this is not the most pleasant article to read....but I feel like I have to let people know.

There is a place to comment, so if you feel the need, please do so.

This whole thing is having a devastating effect on my family.
I'm sorry to see that Florida isn't willing to exhaust every effort into making sure justice is served. I lost my stepfather last July to illness and I still live with the pain of having a family member die (my uncle was murdered in a bar) at the hands of someone drunk. I still have feelings of anger and even revenge. Thankfully, they are just feelings and I deal with them. I have no real advice for you except to tell you that you have my prayers and support along with many Disers. Just know that God will punish this man even if he doesn't spend one day in jail.
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:57 AM   #135
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My feeling is not only about the tragedy that Kevin's family has suffered-but this clown is still out there and the entire community is at risk! This guy is an admitted drug user and there's no way on God's earth that he's going to change without punishment for what he's done. Not only that, but there are plenty of others like him that are going to learn that there are no consequences for such actions.

When does the victim's family and the community become more important than the felon???
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