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Old 11-15-2009, 01:06 AM   #46
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We have 9 month old twins. We live in the Orlando area and hubby works at a position in the airport where he is high risk for germs of all kinds. So far knock on wood nothing major has come into the house from his job. We have not picked up anything at the parks yet either. However something makes me afraid to risk it with a baby that young. All I can say is if you go, act like a germaphobic person. Constantly wash hands and sanitize like theres no tomorrow. Do not be afraid to throw lysol wipes in your purse. Just be as crazy as some of us feel on the inside.
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I am not a germaphobe and we've already had H1N1 in our house (or, at least we're pretty sure that's what it was.)

It ripped through our school in October, with over 1/3 of the kids being out on some days. (There was talk of closing the school, but they never did.) We caught it on the "early side" and my kids were over it by Halloween. However, a lot of other kids were sick.

I was *shocked* by how many parents sent their kids out for trick-or-treat with the flu. I even asked some of them about it (since I know their kids had been out of school) and heard answers like, "Well, Johnny was *so* excited about trick-or-treat, we didn't want him to miss it." What?!?!

So, if parents were doing that (and it wasn't just one or two), I have *no doubt* that parents at WDW would pump little Johnny full of ibuprofin and head to the magic kingdom. "Because Johnny was so excited about it..." or "because we've spent so much money..." or whatever.

I am sure that happens all year long, but with the sheer numbers of people who are getting sick this year (Last report I saw estimated 22 million? I think that's low.) I think your chances of having a sick kid coughing on you in line -- or from the next table in the restaurant, or on the monorail -- is higher than normal. WDW is not really a place where you can stay away from others, unless you don't plan to leave your room.

It would stink to miss out on those free days, but I don't think I'd chance it. I know you said rescheduling is not possible, but could you *try?* Maybe you could move the trip *up* by a few months, before baby arrives.
Yup, my neighbor's did this. We live on a small (9 houses) street (court - with a dead end) and so we all know each other. I don't let my kids play with the neighborhood kids as they are constantly sick. We are talking major stuff - RSV, influenza, etc. They know that my son is asthmatic, and spent many times in hospital last year, as well as surgeries. So, what do they do? Bring them to my door for Halloween! Mom doesn't tell me until my kids have already had contact. I was floored, but not surprised. Then my best friend, who lives next door, tells me what the deal is, and her kids (my godson) also have fevers. I was angry and immediately left the driveway and brought the kids in. No trick or treating for them!

I explained to them (the baby is only 2, and so we weren't really going out as his asthma was acting up), that we can't trust people to make the right decisions. My very moral 6 year old started crying, but she got over it as she didn't want to get sick. They had already been very sick in September, and missed weeks of school - even though DH and I are professionals who work full time, we are beyond vigilant and keep our kids home extra days, not only for themselves, but others as well.

Most people I come into contact with are NOT like this. DH and I know that only we can best protect our children as many parents are oblivious, don't care or too busy to pay attention to their children's illnesses. Some legitimately have work or childcare issues, but when you have children, you must have an illness plan in place. I'm a teacher, so you really don't want to get me started on this topic!

I have held my very sick baby (22 months old - much older than a newborn) in my arms while in Arnold Palmer's Children's Hospital when we should have been at Disney. She contacted/had: Strep (very rare in babies), Rotavirus, Gastoenteritis, Severe dehydration and acidosis. The yucky Centra Care Clinic near Downtown Disney, misdiagnosed her, and we were in emergency several days later. Good thing we quarantined ourselves (against that horrible doctor's wishes who said, "Sure, you can take her to WDW. Go and enjoy ourselves!) The emergency room dept docs were very upset with him for the misdiagnosis as well - he swabbed for strep, but that was it! I am not one who believes that doctor's are perfect; far from it. They can and do make many mistakes, and some of them are irresponsible. He was very irresponsible to suggest we go back into the parks as our baby had Strep - we immediately quarantined ourselves in order to protect her, and everyone else's children. Antibiotics for Strep start to work within 24 hours and kids can, if not other symptoms present, return to school. Our baby had a host of other symptoms present, and hadn't taken any meds yet, good grief! Good thing we listened to ourselves, and not him...So, when I hear of a doc saying it's ok to take a newborn on a plane or to Disney World, I don't have much faith in that doc at all. They should know how sensitive and delicate their immune systems are at that age, and should not be encouraging or recommending that parents take their babes into a sea of germs. Maybe it's job protection...?

We were very far away from home as we live in Canada - DH and I were nervous and scared, but we were so well taken care of. She was made sick by irresponsible parents who no doubt didn't want to lose their money and brought very sick kids to Disney. She had just passed a very extensive physical days before, so blood work, etc. was done (it was her 1st real physical) and Chief of Pediatrics in consultation with our doc, absolutely agreed based on incubation period that she caught the illnesses at Disney. No questions about it! They said it's so full of germs - they actually do testing there, so he told me about the kinds of diseases and illnesses they find there, and so if I told you, no one would visit again!

My point is that during certain times of the year, this being one of them, they advise that infants and small children do not visit. This year's cold/flu season is new and scary, so I can only imagine what those pediatric specialists would say (incidentally, we had 2 interns and the Chief of Pediatrics taking care of us for 2 days).

I do wish the OP and everyone else who is bringing babies to Disney World good health. As a parent who has dealt with a medical emergency while on vacation (we went in March, and it's peak strep and rotavirus season in Orlando - had we known this, we would not have gone) at WDW, it is scary, and absolutely not worth it.

We now travel exclusively in the summer and we love it so much better, as our health and the health of most guests around us are so much better than during cold/flu season.

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People keep talking about the baby having the Mom's immunity BUT folks for this flu if the MOm is under 50 she has NO immunity to this flu to pass on to the child!!! This is why this flu is hitting the kids and young people so hard and why it is so deadly and debilitating to kids and especially babies!

No one under 50s immunity system has ever seen this flu and has had no chance to learn how to fight it or build up any antibodies to it.
Thanks, I was just going to post about this! I am the breastfeeding queen around here - 15 months and 24 months for each of my kids, and so no amount of my immunity would have protected them as I'm only in my 30s, so I don't have immunity to H1N1.

I love breastfeeding and don't want to turn this into a breastfeeding debate, but I see a huge false sense of security on the DISboards about this. No amount of breastfeeding is going to protect against these types of illnesses.

Incidentally, my son, despite my lengthy breastfeeding (had to stop as he had to have surgery), has been very ill. Multiple ear infections, pneumonia/bronchitis, asthma, etc. I know it helped some, but it didn't protect him from these illnesses. He has now had adenoids removed, asthma diagnosis (which is steadily improving) and ear tube surgery. Only these things have helped him - incidentally, he also had most of his vaccines for these aforementioned illnesses as well.

Breastfeeding is awesome, but it can only provide limited or no immunities in some cases. H1N1 is one of those cases...

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...what's considered 'healthy' in a newborn? They don't have fully functioning immune systems, so minimizing risks is absolutely prudent. In most cases, there is no need to take a newborn into crowded places. Most docs I know, say to shelter newborns for the first 6-8 weeks, especially during cold/flu season. For my friends who didn't listen, their babies acquired RSV and bronchitis, amongst other illnesses. I'm sorry, but running to Target or visiting Disney is just not worth that.
See, my experience has been just the opposite. The kids I know who get sick the most are those with the most vigilant parents. My SIL didn't take any of her kids out in public settings until 3mo, is almost germaphobic about the house and about the kinds/timing of outings, and all 3 of those kids catch every little bug that goes around.

I didn't have the option of staying that isolated when my first two were newborns; I went back to school (college) when DS was a week old, and when DD was born DH was working such long hours that I may as well have been a single mom. They're 11 & 8 now and have never really gotten sick. Between the two, we've had exactly one illness that required antibiotics. My youngest is still a baby, but at 15mo the worst she's had is the sniffles despite almost constant exposure to large groups of older kids via her siblings. I can't imagine how I could have isolated her at home without putting the brakes on the big kids' social lives, because at their ages I still go to sporting practices, games, scout meetings, school events, etc.
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People keep talking about the baby having the Mom's immunity BUT folks for this flu if the MOm is under 50 she has NO immunity to this flu to pass on to the child!!! This is why this flu is hitting the kids and young people so hard and why it is so deadly and debilitating to kids and especially babies!

No one under 50s immunity system has ever seen this flu and has had no chance to learn how to fight it or build up any antibodies to it.
Unless Mom has been vaccinated, and right now they're really, really pushing the vaccine for pregnant women. It isn't a given, but it isn't impossible either.
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Let me put it this way.. We have searched and searched and searched on a daily basis (DD also calls her DD's pediatricians office TWICE a day) trying to get this H1N1 vaccination for my 11 yr. old DGD.. Swine flu is swirling all around their area.. An otherwise healthy 7 yr. old boy died from this just the other day..

I would happily reimburse someone the cost of their entire trip if they could just get one dang H1N1 vaccination up here for my DGD..

We're not talking about a "routine" year here.. I never kept my children isolated when they were babies, but WHY do you folks think they are advising anyone who is a caregiver for an infant under 6 months old to get this vaccination?? It's just mind boggling to me that people are willing to take this chance - for a trip to Disney, of all places..
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See, my experience has been just the opposite. The kids I know who get sick the most are those with the most vigilant parents. My SIL didn't take any of her kids out in public settings until 3mo, is almost germaphobic about the house and about the kinds/timing of outings, and all 3 of those kids catch every little bug that goes around.

I didn't have the option of staying that isolated when my first two were newborns; I went back to school (college) when DS was a week old, and when DD was born DH was working such long hours that I may as well have been a single mom. They're 11 & 8 now and have never really gotten sick. Between the two, we've had exactly one illness that required antibiotics. My youngest is still a baby, but at 15mo the worst she's had is the sniffles despite almost constant exposure to large groups of older kids via her siblings. I can't imagine how I could have isolated her at home without putting the brakes on the big kids' social lives, because at their ages I still go to sporting practices, games, scout meetings, school events, etc.
I am not a germaphobe, in fact being a RN I am pretty level headed about it.I never stopped taking my newborn out in public and doing everyday things.I was not the mom that flipped out about shopping carts, playing in dirt or the playground.But I have to say....There is a big difference though in going about your normal home life with a newborn and travelling to a themepark ,where thousands of people from all over the globe are in a densely packed environment.There is a good chance the OP's baby would be fine, there is also a GREAT chance they could catch something.It isn't a question of breastfeeding, or keeping baby close. Influenza is droplet and spread airborn.One sneeze can travel up to 80 mm/sec and can live over 2 hrs or more.Pretty hard to use sanitizer on that..For a baby that young it could be life threatening.An illness at that age buys a hospital stay and a spinal tap at the least.Add to that alot of that could be happening in Orlando, not at home.
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See, my experience has been just the opposite. The kids I know who get sick the most are those with the most vigilant parents. My SIL didn't take any of her kids out in public settings until 3mo, is almost germaphobic about the house and about the kinds/timing of outings, and all 3 of those kids catch every little bug that goes around.

I didn't have the option of staying that isolated when my first two were newborns; I went back to school (college) when DS was a week old, and when DD was born DH was working such long hours that I may as well have been a single mom. They're 11 & 8 now and have never really gotten sick. Between the two, we've had exactly one illness that required antibiotics. My youngest is still a baby, but at 15mo the worst she's had is the sniffles despite almost constant exposure to large groups of older kids via her siblings. I can't imagine how I could have isolated her at home without putting the brakes on the big kids' social lives, because at their ages I still go to sporting practices, games, scout meetings, school events, etc.
You are very lucky! Who is to say that your kids wouldn't have had the same immune system if you had stayed home for the first 6 weeks? Please don't misunderstand me - we took our newborns out, very sparingly though. We didn't take them into crowded theme parks or shopping malls until they were a bit older though as the chance to pick something up is greater. We also were vigilant with making people wash hands and not kiss them on the mouth. We don't use bleach or antibacterial products at all, and our kids have been in private school since 13 months old, so they have been exposed to many things - some of which were serious, but most of which were not, and these built up their immune systems.

I understand the whole hygiene hypothesis, but with major illnesses such as influenza, RSV and pneumonia (this is why we have vaccines for many of those illnesses), they can be deadly for newborns. We can attest to the fact that getting these illnesses whacks our babes out for weeks/months.

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Let me put it this way.. We have searched and searched and searched on a daily basis (DD also calls her DD's pediatricians office TWICE a day) trying to get this H1N1 vaccination for my 11 yr. old DGD.. Swine flu is swirling all around their area.. An otherwise healthy 7 yr. old boy died from this just the other day..

I would happily reimburse someone the cost of their entire trip if they could just get one dang H1N1 vaccination up here for my DGD..

We're not talking about a "routine" year here.. I never kept my children isolated when they were babies, but WHY do you folks think they are advising anyone who is a caregiver for an infant under 6 months old to get this vaccination?? It's just mind boggling to me that people are willing to take this chance - for a trip to Disney, of all places..
Not to go off topic CAnn but we are not vaccinating in our home and many people here aren't as well. While they are reccommending that all these people get it the health care workers fought to get and injunction so they were not required to get the shot. Sorry, but if the doctors and nurses don't want that vaccine in their body so badly that they sought and injunction to stop it from happening I have no faith in it at all. Of course I have researched it ad nauseum and spoke to professionals who are experts on vaccination while making my decision. I realize it is a personal decision and I these are just my views.

That being said that I do agree with you. It is not something to mess around with. I don't understand why anyone would take the risk. WDW isn't going anywhere and even if it was it is still not worth the risk to me.
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Not to go off topic CAnn but we are not vaccinating in our home and many people here aren't as well. While they are reccommending that all these people get it the health care workers fought to get and injunction so they were not required to get the shot. Sorry, but if the doctors and nurses don't want that vaccine in their body so badly that they sought and injunction to stop it from happening I have no faith in it at all. Of course I have researched it ad nauseum and spoke to professionals who are experts on vaccination while making my decision. I realize it is a personal decision and I these are just my views.

That being said that I do agree with you. It is not something to mess around with. I don't understand why anyone would take the risk. WDW isn't going anywhere and even if it was it is still not worth the risk to me.
Is it perhaps also about having your personal rights stripped away with being forced to vaccinate?

I see lots of health professionals put lots of things into their bodies that they shouldn't: cigarettes, fast foods, alcohol and illegal drugs. I can't believe that these same people would actually think that the H1N1 vaccine is more harmful than those items?

I totally understand that vaccinating is a personal thing, but in many cases, not doing so, could seriously harm someone else if indeed you were to contract that disease yourself. So, for some, this should be a consideration - but, I do believe that people should be given the choice to vaccinate or not. I don't believe that forcing it onto medical professionals is the answer either. It's a hard one...

I wish all parents/caregivers/medical professionals who are struggling with whether to vaccinate much good health. It's a hard decision either way...but my DH and I know that only we can best protect our kids. We cannot rely on other people to properly take care of themselves, so after much research, they will be getting their shots on Thursday as baby has asthma and a horrible history of pneumonia, bronchitis and recurrent ear infections, and he's only 2.

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Not to go off topic CAnn but we are not vaccinating in our home and many people here aren't as well. While they are reccommending that all these people get it the health care workers fought to get and injunction so they were not required to get the shot. Sorry, but if the doctors and nurses don't want that vaccine in their body so badly that they sought and injunction to stop it from happening I have no faith in it at all. Of course I have researched it ad nauseum and spoke to professionals who are experts on vaccination while making my decision. I realize it is a personal decision and I these are just my views.

That being said that I do agree with you. It is not something to mess around with. I don't understand why anyone would take the risk. WDW isn't going anywhere and even if it was it is still not worth the risk to me.
I understand your views perfectly.. Some healthcare officials are against it, while we have found that most are "for" it.. DD and her DH spent many, many weeks discussing this, researching it, talking to various doctors, etc. - and what it boils down to is that my DGD is an only child, only grandchild.. My DD and her DH will never be able to have another child.. They considered the options of a possible adverse reaction (long or short term) and the possibility of losing their only child to H1N1.. If the likelihood of her being one of the children that were to die from this virus were as high as 1 in a bazillion, it's just not a chance they're willing to take..

These are decisions that the majority of the people have not taken lightly - and thank goodness there was enough time between the large outbreaks and the beginning deliveries of the vaccine - for people to really do their homework.. Barring any other horrendous viruses in the future - or a mutation of this one - this will probably be the most difficult decision that many families will have to make for years to come..

Good luck to you and your family - and stay well!
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This question is for the post regarding her child being sick and misdiagnosed and the doctor telling her about diseases found at disney. Out of curiosity I wonder if you could tell me some of the ones he mentioned. I personally would not take a small baby to such a crowded environment because disney is occupied by people from all over the world and whether their vaccinations are up to date or they have been exposed to whopping cough is an unknown. I would not worry about the small sniffles it would be the major infectious diseases and viruses that may be there. Please poster try to remember what the diseases found were. Thanks.
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This question is for the post regarding her child being sick and misdiagnosed and the doctor telling her about diseases found at disney. Out of curiosity I wonder if you could tell me some of the ones he mentioned. I personally would not take a small baby to such a crowded environment because disney is occupied by people from all over the world and whether their vaccinations are up to date or they have been exposed to whopping cough is an unknown. I would not worry about the small sniffles it would be the major infectious diseases and viruses that may be there. Please poster try to remember what the diseases found were. Thanks.

I already PMd you, but for others who may be wondering, the docs basically said that they swab Disney as part of their research, and have found pretty much everything there: mono, strep, scarlet fever, chicken pox, RSV, influenza, norwalk, etc. I remember them also saying that they found some surprising things, but I can't remember what specifically, as we had no sleep and a very sick baby to contend with.

Bottom line, is that it should come as news to no one that WDW is a germy place. It handles millions of people each year - there are seasons though, in which there are outbreaks in Orlando (March is strep and rotavirus peak season). They all said that they don't recommend that any babies under 4 months travel to WDW. The one doc became very sad when he spoke of babies who did not make it for the trip back home...serious illnesses and pre-existing medical conditions that I can't remember at the moment, but nonetheless, a 6 week old newborn would more than likely require serious medical intervention if he/she contracted something serious. But they also reminded us that even mild things like colds could turn deadly if given the right conditions, so best to not be so far away from home with babes that young. They specifically mentioned people who come to WDW from overseas and the fact that they are so far from home in a country with different medical procedures, treatments, etc.

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Well I am due on Tuesday and the baby will be about 2mths old (9weeks) when we go. We will take precautions, but have been exposed to a high amount of H1N1 in our community. My boys go to school where numourus cases have been confirmed, and there really is no way to get away from H1N1. Everyone in our family has been vacinated.

Enjoy your trip do not let all the hype by the media scare u, be careful, but do not let it ruin your time.
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