Boycott Discovery Cove and Sea World? - The DIS Discussion Forums

timben · 10-23-2009, 04:35 AM

Dear all,

I do not mean to be offensive but having seen parts of the documentary "The Cove" by Ric O'Barry and read some information about the captivity of sea mammals I really wonder if the visit of such a theme park really is morally right?

I really would love to swim with a dolphin and get in touch with these great animals but the more I think about it I am wondering if this is the right thing to do?

Are there any alternatives like dolphin watching in their natural habitat? What is your opinion on that?

Timben

Frothy · 10-23-2009, 05:25 AM

Forget the spin the documentary puts on this as its an old argument. SeaWorld has been responsible for saving animal lives by educating human beings about them.

timben · 10-23-2009, 05:41 AM

Sea World saved the animals from what? Their natural environment?

I really do not believe that the Anheuser Bush Company couldn't find any other place to save sea mammals than central Florida, far away from the real sea....

On the other hand what's educational about a dolphin or orca show?

Don't you think the only question remains is, if this form of entertainment can take care of the animals needs and if they are treated right?

Frothy · 10-23-2009, 05:44 AM

This might enlighten you

http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/re...ehab/home.html

timben · 10-23-2009, 06:06 AM

thank you.

I really do appreciate your effort and will read it as soon as I am out of work.
However is there also any "independent" documentation available?

SunniKC · 10-23-2009, 06:29 AM

SeaWorld doesn't obtain its animals in this manner http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4586918...s-animals.html
There was a day when they did...but long before AB owned them.
Back in the later 70's and 80's our local amusement park used to have a dolphin show that was always packed full. I have no doubts they probably obtained their animals in this manner though. At least Seaworld has made efforts to have areas that at least look natural. These lived in a round concrete pool.

sympatico · 10-23-2009, 07:32 AM

No offense to anyone but why not let all the horses and cattle go. Ranches make the horses work, raise the cattle for food. Maybe the horses would like a break and be allowed to run free. And for that matter should you have a dog or a cat as a pet. How about a goldfish in a bowl. Aren't you limiting their freedom by keeping them in the house or on a leash. It may be argued that these are domestic animals but how did they get that way. They must have been wild/free at some time.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong just wondering "why stop with dolphins" ?

Indiana Rose Lee · 10-23-2009, 07:52 AM

So take a boar ride and go see the dolphins in their natural environment.

To the others, I know their manatee program is wonderfully successful. M niece did an internship with them. During her stay many were brought in cut up, taken care of and released.

timben · 10-23-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Indiana Rose Lee

So take a boar ride and go see the dolphins in their natural environment.

To the others, I know their manatee program is wonderfully successful. M niece did an internship with them. During her stay many were brought in cut up, taken care of and released.

Did I write anything wrong?

Indiana Rose Lee · 10-23-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by timben

Did I write anything wrong?

lol! Sorry, that would be a boat ride. You can get information at the welcome center.

timben · 10-23-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Indiana Rose Lee

lol! Sorry, that would be a boat ride. You can get information at the welcome center.

I understood the boat ride

- It just happens that I had the feeling my questions are felt inappropriate in some way.

I know that farms need horses for work and I do eat meat and I even have a cat at home. But that does not mean that I can not question the use of animals just for entertainment.

It costs a lot of money and of course I do not want to support a company that lives by exploiting the environment. That's all.

Thanks

timben

Indiana Rose Lee · 10-23-2009, 08:52 AM

Everyone is allowed their own outlook. If that is yours, have at it. Do not put your oney in a place you have issues with. Mine is a bit different since I know secondhand about the care that goes into some of their programs. It is all good.

RabFlmom · 10-23-2009, 09:09 AM

We live on the coast of Florida. The place that is called for injured or sick dolphins, whales, turtles, manatees, etc. that wash on shore or are swimming or floating aimlessly near shore or in the waterways is Sea World. You do not always see the animals they rescue and save. All do not become performers in their shows etc. They have a rescue, heal, and release program that saves more animals than you could ever imagine. The parks are not their only facilities for caring for these animals. If an animal cannot be returned to the wild they care for them and give them a place to live safely so they do not become food for predators in the ocean or starve because they can't get their own food any longer.

If you are uncomfortable seeing animals in captivity I suggest you boycot all homes with any type pet, also. Might get kind of lonely since almost everyone I know has a family member that is not human.

Proud to say that Harley Davidson(insert our last name) was a loved member of our family for almost 20 years and that our grand pup Chance is enjoying "his last chance" (adopted after being in pound for over a year and a half) being a loved member of our family now.

As for seeing dolphins in the wild, that is pretty easy thing to do, too. Just head to the east coast of Florida and stand near the Indian River for a while and you might actually get a glimpse of dolphins, manatees, shark, etc. swimming free. Same thing can be done at the beach, but usually farther off shore than in the river.

RabFlmom · 10-23-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by timben

Dear all,

I do not mean to be offensive but having seen parts of the documentary "The Cove" by Ric O'Barry and read some information about the captivity of sea mammals I really wonder if the visit of such a theme park really is morally right?

I really would love to swim with a dolphin and get in touch with these great animals but the more I think about it I am wondering if this is the right thing to do?

Are there any alternatives like dolphin watching in their natural habitat? What is your opinion on that?

Timben

Not to be cantankerous but curious why you would post about boycotting SW and Discovery Cove on a Disney site and not mention boycotting Disney because they also have animals and sea life in captivity for us to enjoy?

Indiana Rose Lee · 10-23-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RabFlmom

Not to be cantankerous but curious why you would post about boycotting SW and Discovery Cove on a Disney site and not mention boycotting Disney because they also have animals and sea life in captivity for us to enjoy?

eta: remember when disney killed the indigenous birds on Discover Island?

10-23-2009, 04:35 AM	#1
timben No Kangaroos in Austria Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vienna Posts: 128	Boycott Discovery Cove and Sea World? Dear all, I do not mean to be offensive but having seen parts of the documentary "The Cove" by Ric O'Barry and read some information about the captivity of sea mammals I really wonder if the visit of such a theme park really is morally right? I really would love to swim with a dolphin and get in touch with these great animals but the more I think about it I am wondering if this is the right thing to do? Are there any alternatives like dolphin watching in their natural habitat? What is your opinion on that? Timben __________________ Last edited by timben; 10-23-2009 at 04:40 AM. Reason: spelling

10-23-2009, 05:25 AM	#2
Frothy Mouseketeer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 305	Forget the spin the documentary puts on this as its an old argument. SeaWorld has been responsible for saving animal lives by educating human beings about them. __________________ 1999 - Swan & Dolphin 2001 - WDW Contemporary 2004 - WDW Ft Wilderness 2005 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Sunset Lakes) 2006 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Cumbrian Lakes) 2007 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Cumbrian Lakes) 2008 - Florida Leisure Vacation Homes (Cumbrian Lakes again) 2009 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Cumbrian Lakes - 4th time) Me DH ds ds

10-23-2009, 05:41 AM	#3
timben No Kangaroos in Austria Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vienna Posts: 128	Sea World saved the animals from what? Their natural environment? I really do not believe that the Anheuser Bush Company couldn't find any other place to save sea mammals than central Florida, far away from the real sea.... On the other hand what's educational about a dolphin or orca show? Don't you think the only question remains is, if this form of entertainment can take care of the animals needs and if they are treated right? __________________ Last edited by timben; 10-23-2009 at 05:42 AM. Reason: missed a word

10-23-2009, 05:44 AM	#4
Frothy Mouseketeer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 305	This might enlighten you http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/re...ehab/home.html __________________ 1999 - Swan & Dolphin 2001 - WDW Contemporary 2004 - WDW Ft Wilderness 2005 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Sunset Lakes) 2006 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Cumbrian Lakes) 2007 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Cumbrian Lakes) 2008 - Florida Leisure Vacation Homes (Cumbrian Lakes again) 2009 - Florida Leisure Vacation Home (Cumbrian Lakes - 4th time) Me DH ds ds

10-23-2009, 06:06 AM	#5
timben No Kangaroos in Austria Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vienna Posts: 128	thank you. I really do appreciate your effort and will read it as soon as I am out of work. However is there also any "independent" documentation available? __________________

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10-23-2009, 06:29 AM	#6
SunniKC Mouseketeer Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 138	SeaWorld doesn't obtain its animals in this manner http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4586918...s-animals.html There was a day when they did...but long before AB owned them. Back in the later 70's and 80's our local amusement park used to have a dolphin show that was always packed full. I have no doubts they probably obtained their animals in this manner though. At least Seaworld has made efforts to have areas that at least look natural. These lived in a round concrete pool.

10-23-2009, 07:32 AM	#7
sympatico DIS Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NS Canada Posts: 1,896	No offense to anyone but why not let all the horses and cattle go. Ranches make the horses work, raise the cattle for food. Maybe the horses would like a break and be allowed to run free. And for that matter should you have a dog or a cat as a pet. How about a goldfish in a bowl. Aren't you limiting their freedom by keeping them in the house or on a leash. It may be argued that these are domestic animals but how did they get that way. They must have been wild/free at some time. I'm not saying it's right or wrong just wondering "why stop with dolphins" ? __________________ Wanda Me DH Love vacation homes Places we've stayed since 1997 : Lindfields: twice, Lake Davenport:The Palms, Oak Plantation, Wyndham Cypress Palms, Liki Tiki Village, Grand Reserve, Windsor Hills: 4 times, Indian Creek, Emerald Island, Reunion Resort.

10-23-2009, 07:52 AM	#8
Indiana Rose Lee DIS Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,097	So take a boar ride and go see the dolphins in their natural environment. To the others, I know their manatee program is wonderfully successful. M niece did an internship with them. During her stay many were brought in cut up, taken care of and released.

10-23-2009, 08:52 AM	#12
Indiana Rose Lee DIS Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,097	Everyone is allowed their own outlook. If that is yours, have at it. Do not put your oney in a place you have issues with. Mine is a bit different since I know secondhand about the care that goes into some of their programs. It is all good.

10-23-2009, 09:09 AM	#13
RabFlmom DIS Veteran Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Space Coast Posts: 1,019	We live on the coast of Florida. The place that is called for injured or sick dolphins, whales, turtles, manatees, etc. that wash on shore or are swimming or floating aimlessly near shore or in the waterways is Sea World. You do not always see the animals they rescue and save. All do not become performers in their shows etc. They have a rescue, heal, and release program that saves more animals than you could ever imagine. The parks are not their only facilities for caring for these animals. If an animal cannot be returned to the wild they care for them and give them a place to live safely so they do not become food for predators in the ocean or starve because they can't get their own food any longer. If you are uncomfortable seeing animals in captivity I suggest you boycot all homes with any type pet, also. Might get kind of lonely since almost everyone I know has a family member that is not human. Proud to say that Harley Davidson(insert our last name) was a loved member of our family for almost 20 years and that our grand pup Chance is enjoying "his last chance" (adopted after being in pound for over a year and a half) being a loved member of our family now. As for seeing dolphins in the wild, that is pretty easy thing to do, too. Just head to the east coast of Florida and stand near the Indian River for a while and you might actually get a glimpse of dolphins, manatees, shark, etc. swimming free. Same thing can be done at the beach, but usually farther off shore than in the river. __________________ Rabflmom

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