Do you think the resale prices will go up since points are going up? - The DIS Discussion Forums

edk35 · 10-02-2009, 11:43 AM

Just curious if people will sell their contracts for more per point now that prices are going up per point? I am always looking for small contracts via resells.

Rob S. · 10-02-2009, 12:33 PM

The price per point is only going up for BLT so I doubt that it would have any significant impact on the resale market.

edk35 · 10-02-2009, 02:32 PM

I do believe that AKV is also going up though.

wdrl · 10-02-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by edk35

I do believe that AKV is also going up though.

I'm not sure if AKV's price per point is going up to $120 like BLT, but Disney changed the incentives on 8/30/2009 for some AKV contracts. In August, my wife and I were debating adding on more points. At the time, Disney was offering $19 incentives on 100 points for AKV, bringing the cost to $93 a point. But when we finally got around to calling our Guide on 9/1/2009, we discovered Disney had lowered the AKV incentive from $19 to $10, making the cost $102/point. We ended up making a bid on an AKV resale for $84/point.

I would expect that if the spread between Disney-direct and resale widens, there will be a greater financial benefit for Disney to ROFR contracts. If Disney RORFs more contracts, then sellers will raise their asking prices, or buyers will raise their offers to insure that they get contracts they really want.

CapeCodFam · 10-03-2009, 08:51 AM

I think the market will dictate what happens. As the economy goes, so goes DVC resales. As long as the abundant supply is out there for resales, there won't be any sustained increase. Once the supply doesn't meet the demand, they will go up.

wildernessDad · 10-03-2009, 11:04 AM

I doubt it. The resale market is heavily tied to the economy, whereas who knows what drives Disney's prices? I don't pretend to know what makes Disney tick.

5forDiz · 10-03-2009, 11:41 AM

edk35 · 10-03-2009, 03:45 PM

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CarolMN · 10-04-2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by edk35

Just curious if people will sell their contracts for more per point now that prices are going up per point? I am always looking for small contracts via resells.

Not unless Disney raises the amount it will pay for ROFR. Not enough demand in this economy to force prices up otherwise. Still too many who need to sell.

Deb & Bill · 10-04-2009, 10:36 AM

We sold two contracts for much more than we paid for them about two years ago when the direct price from Disney was much lower. I think it's the economy that is driving the resale price, not the current price of points.

silmarg · 10-04-2009, 07:50 PM

The BLT retail sales are a unique situation. DVC is selling from a position of strength there - considering its location.

The resale market has very different dynamic. What is motivating sellers to sell is often related to the overall economy - which is still sluggish. On the buy side of the equation, I think Disney offering all the discounts of late (buy 4 get 3 and extended free dining) is dampening DVC demand on the resale side.

I dont suspect resale prices will go up for a while yet. There is still plenty of inventory to work off...

But my personal opinion is the economy may be turning around. Disney's 2010 discounts are no where near as good as 2009's. And it has me thinking more and more that this is THE best time to buy on the resale market.

If the market does make a turn, I could see resale prices rebound in 2011-2.

Belle & Ariel · 10-05-2009, 09:47 PM

I think as long as BLT sales are strong, resales are not a big competition to Disney. If they are raising the price, I would think sales are good unless it is a ploy to increase sales to beat the price increase.
If a lot of people go resale to pay $80 a point instead of Disney's $120, I could see Disney increasing use of ROFR to inflate resale prices and make their product more competitive pricewise.

edk35 · 10-06-2009, 07:00 AM

There are some really great deals on the resale websites right now. Hopefully the deals via resales will continue into next year.

Jason@dvcstore · 10-09-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by edk35

Just curious if people will sell their contracts for more per point now that prices are going up per point? I am always looking for small contracts via resells.

At The Timeshare Store, Inc.® we try and sell the properties at prices which seem fair to buyer and seller. We also try and sell the properties at a price where Disney is NOT going to exercise ROFR. For example, right now we are selling Saratoga Springs typically for between $67 and $72 per point and Disney is not buying those contracts back. If Disney were to start buying them back at $67, $68 and $69 per point then we would need to advise sellers to list at higher prices.

Jason

edk35 · 10-09-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason@dvcstore

At The Timeshare Store, Inc.® we try and sell the properties at prices which seem fair to buyer and seller. We also try and sell the properties at a price where Disney is NOT going to exercise ROFR. For example, right now we are selling Saratoga Springs typically for between $67 and $72 per point and Disney is not buying those contracts back. If Disney were to start buying them back at $67, $68 and $69 per point then we would need to advise sellers to list at higher prices.

Jason

Thanks

10-02-2009, 11:43 AM	#1
edk35 DIS Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,168	Do you think the resale prices will go up since points are going up? Just curious if people will sell their contracts for more per point now that prices are going up per point? I am always looking for small contracts via resells. __________________ DVC MEMBERS SINCE JAN. 2007 Aug 13 The Villas at Seven Dwarfs Resort March 13 SSR/AKV July 12 BLT/SSR May 12 SOG March/April 12 Windsor Hills Jan. 12 VWL (1/20-1/28) Jan. 12 POR (1/6/-1/11) Jan. 11 OKW July 10 SOG/SSR/VERO July 09 POLY/BCV/AKV Jan. 09 OKW Nov. 08 SSR/ASMU MVMCP July 08 OKW/BCV Jan. 08 SOG Nov. 07 SSR MVMCP Aug. 07 SSR/BWV P&PP Jan. 07 SOG BECAME DVC MEMBERS!!! Nov. 05 SOG/CSR Jan. 05 SOG Nov. 02 CR May 98 Poly May 95 SOG Dec. 93 CR Dec. 92 CBR July 92 Dixie Landing First Family Trip Off Site 87,86,82 (Single With Friends)

10-02-2009, 12:33 PM	#2
Rob S. DIS Veteran Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago burbs Posts: 536	The price per point is only going up for BLT so I doubt that it would have any significant impact on the resale market. __________________

10-02-2009, 02:32 PM	#3
edk35 DIS Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,168	I do believe that AKV is also going up though. __________________ DVC MEMBERS SINCE JAN. 2007 Aug 13 The Villas at Seven Dwarfs Resort March 13 SSR/AKV July 12 BLT/SSR May 12 SOG March/April 12 Windsor Hills Jan. 12 VWL (1/20-1/28) Jan. 12 POR (1/6/-1/11) Jan. 11 OKW July 10 SOG/SSR/VERO July 09 POLY/BCV/AKV Jan. 09 OKW Nov. 08 SSR/ASMU MVMCP July 08 OKW/BCV Jan. 08 SOG Nov. 07 SSR MVMCP Aug. 07 SSR/BWV P&PP Jan. 07 SOG BECAME DVC MEMBERS!!! Nov. 05 SOG/CSR Jan. 05 SOG Nov. 02 CR May 98 Poly May 95 SOG Dec. 93 CR Dec. 92 CBR July 92 Dixie Landing First Family Trip Off Site 87,86,82 (Single With Friends)

10-03-2009, 08:51 AM	#5
CapeCodFam DIS Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 792	I think the market will dictate what happens. As the economy goes, so goes DVC resales. As long as the abundant supply is out there for resales, there won't be any sustained increase. Once the supply doesn't meet the demand, they will go up. __________________

10-03-2009, 11:04 AM	#6
wildernessDad DIS Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,629	I doubt it. The resale market is heavily tied to the economy, whereas who knows what drives Disney's prices? I don't pretend to know what makes Disney tick. __________________

10-03-2009, 11:41 AM	#7
5forDiz DIS Veteran Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 3,367

10-04-2009, 10:36 AM	#10
Deb & Bill DVC-Trivia Contest, Apr-2006: Honorable Mention Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: USA Posts: 40,675	We sold two contracts for much more than we paid for them about two years ago when the direct price from Disney was much lower. I think it's the economy that is driving the resale price, not the current price of points. __________________ Deb - DVC Member since '97 OKW and VWL Homes Stop the madness. No more DVC construction. Bring back Vacation Magic. Dump Disney Files! Stopped drinking the Kool-aid long ago.

10-04-2009, 07:50 PM	#11
silmarg SIL Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 1,857	The BLT retail sales are a unique situation. DVC is selling from a position of strength there - considering its location. The resale market has very different dynamic. What is motivating sellers to sell is often related to the overall economy - which is still sluggish. On the buy side of the equation, I think Disney offering all the discounts of late (buy 4 get 3 and extended free dining) is dampening DVC demand on the resale side. I dont suspect resale prices will go up for a while yet. There is still plenty of inventory to work off... But my personal opinion is the economy may be turning around. Disney's 2010 discounts are no where near as good as 2009's. And it has me thinking more and more that this is THE best time to buy on the resale market. If the market does make a turn, I could see resale prices rebound in 2011-2. __________________ Sil WDW: 1979 1982 1986 1989 1997 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005(twice) 2006 2007(+4 day DCL) 2008 (Aug) - 15 day eastbound repo on DCL (+DL & DCA)!!! 2009 (Feb) - WDW (POP - buy 4 get 7 impromptu trip) 2009 (Aug/Sep) - Nine Days of FREE DINING and FREE SSR upgrade! 2010 Feb - Taking my parents to POR w Grand Kids 2010 Sept - Pop Free Dining Bounce Back 2011 Feb - Grand California DVC Welcome Home 2011 Aug - Disney Dream!!! (AKV b4 and BCV after) 2012 Feb - Carribean Beach / SSR split stay 2012 Sept - 5 day NYC/Canadian Cruise on Magic 2012 Oct - 3 day suprise the kids trip MNSSHP / F&W @ OKW 2013 Feb - Disney Fantasy

10-05-2009, 09:47 PM	#12
Belle & Ariel DIS Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,731	I think as long as BLT sales are strong, resales are not a big competition to Disney. If they are raising the price, I would think sales are good unless it is a ploy to increase sales to beat the price increase. If a lot of people go resale to pay $80 a point instead of Disney's $120, I could see Disney increasing use of ROFR to inflate resale prices and make their product more competitive pricewise.

10-06-2009, 07:00 AM	#13
edk35 DIS Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,168	There are some really great deals on the resale websites right now. Hopefully the deals via resales will continue into next year. __________________ DVC MEMBERS SINCE JAN. 2007 Aug 13 The Villas at Seven Dwarfs Resort March 13 SSR/AKV July 12 BLT/SSR May 12 SOG March/April 12 Windsor Hills Jan. 12 VWL (1/20-1/28) Jan. 12 POR (1/6/-1/11) Jan. 11 OKW July 10 SOG/SSR/VERO July 09 POLY/BCV/AKV Jan. 09 OKW Nov. 08 SSR/ASMU MVMCP July 08 OKW/BCV Jan. 08 SOG Nov. 07 SSR MVMCP Aug. 07 SSR/BWV P&PP Jan. 07 SOG BECAME DVC MEMBERS!!! Nov. 05 SOG/CSR Jan. 05 SOG Nov. 02 CR May 98 Poly May 95 SOG Dec. 93 CR Dec. 92 CBR July 92 Dixie Landing First Family Trip Off Site 87,86,82 (Single With Friends)

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