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Old 04-30-2014, 12:38 AM   #1
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Armanda Knox guilty---- again

What a mess the Italian justice system is. First you're guilty, then you're not, then you are, then you're not, then you are.

Kind of like the boy in love plucking pedestals off a flower saying she loves me, she loves me not.

Thank god for our system.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:46 AM   #2
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What a mess the Italian justice system is. First you're guilty, then you're not, then you are, then you're not, then you are.

Kind of like the boy in love plucking pedestals off a flower saying she loves me, she loves me not.

Thank god for our system.
That's crazy. Now what, will she have to go back? I haven't followed the recent case.
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Old 04-30-2014, 02:20 AM   #3
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That's crazy. Now what, will she have to go back? I haven't followed the recent case.
Unlikely any time soon as long as she stays in the U.S. There is another level of appeal. Then she can also appeal it to the EU. And if all fails, then And then it has to go through all the paperwork and then it has to go to court if she fights it. Unfortunately, if she steps foot in the EU, she can be arrested and have to go back.
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Oh no not again! I am from the UK. I was wondering why the US authorities don't just step in now and tell Italy to take a hike and leave the girl alone? Enough is enough?
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:53 AM   #6
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What a mess the Italian justice system is. First you're guilty, then you're not, then you are, then you're not, then you are.

Kind of like the boy in love plucking pedestals off a flower saying she loves me, she loves me not.

Thank god for our system.
Maybe the got it right this time.
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Old 04-30-2014, 04:59 AM   #7
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What a mess the Italian justice system is. First you're guilty, then you're not, then you are, then you're not, then you are.

Kind of like the boy in love plucking pedestals off a flower saying she loves me, she loves me not.

Thank god for our system.
Yes, because our system is so much better. Just ask Jonathan Fleming or the numerous others like him. Ask Casey Anthony. I bet she just loves our system.
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Oh no not again! I am from the UK. I was wondering why the US authorities don't just step in now and tell Italy to take a hike and leave the girl alone? Enough is enough?
Because Italy has the right to administer justice in their own country.
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Oh no not again! I am from the UK. I was wondering why the US authorities don't just step in now and tell Italy to take a hike and leave the girl alone? Enough is enough?
I'm glad a US citizen didn't say that.
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Guilty again. Wow.

Here is an article I found, this one gives more detail: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5232721.html
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Maybe they should have held on to her the first time they decided she was guilty. If a person then is acquitted and sent free, it does seem a wee bit unreasonable a few years later to decide she really is guilty this time and you want her back in jail. Too complicated. And stupid.
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What a mess the Italian justice system is. First you're guilty, then you're not, then you are, then you're not, then you are.
Kind of like the boy in love plucking pedestals off a flower saying she loves me, she loves me not.
Thank god for our system.
The Italian system isn't perfect (far from it), but then neither is the U.S. system (oh, gosh, far, far from it).

What happened in Italy actually shows that the judicial system of appeal works: the higher court basically told the lower court that they had messed up, and that they should reconsider the evidence. (And no, the higher court did not say that Ms Knox was innocent - just that the evidence had to be reconsidered.)

The main failing with the Italian system is that it is so slow and bureaucratic, even in the case of serious charges like this one. Not long ago, defense lawyers played the system by delaying and delaying, since they knew that at fairly regular intervals (every six or seven years, or so) the national legislature would basically say that the system is overloaded, and declare an amnesty for everyone who had been on trial (and in prison waiting for trial) a certain number of years.
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The Italian system isn't perfect (far from it), but then neither is the U.S. system (oh, gosh, far, far from it).

What happened in Italy actually shows that the judicial system of appeal works: the higher court basically told the lower court that they had messed up, and that they should reconsider the evidence.
(And no, the higher court did not say that Ms Knox was innocent - just that the evidence had to be reconsidered.)

The main failing with the Italian system is that it is so slow and bureaucratic, even in the case of serious charges like this one. Not long ago, defense lawyers played the system by delaying and delaying, since they knew that at fairly regular intervals (every six or seven years, or so) the national legislature would basically say that the system is overloaded, and declare an amnesty for everyone who had been on trial (and in prison waiting for trial) a certain number of years.
That is an important point I think many don't understand. She was never acquitted in the same sense our system means by acquitted.
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Haven't the powers-that-be over here in the US basically said, in so many words - good luck in trying to get her back to Italy? I imagine it'd take a lot for us to turn her over to the Italian authorities.

I have always been on the fence about this case in terms of her guilt or innocence. I think the evidence is pretty shoddy and not convincing, but I do think she knows more than she's saying. I don't mean she did it, but I think she knows who did and might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Haven't the powers-that-be over here in the US basically said, in so many words - good luck in trying to get her back to Italy? I imagine it'd take a lot for us to turn her over to the Italian authorities.

I have always been on the fence about this case in terms of her guilt or innocence. I think the evidence is pretty shoddy and not convincing, but I do think she knows more than she's saying. I don't mean she did it, but I think she knows who did and might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If the U.S. Justice Department refuses to honor a legitimate and legal request for extradition to a nation with which we have an active extradition treaty in place that covers the crimes for which she has been convicted and for which her extradition is sought, are we as a nation prepared to forfeit any current and future moral outrage when another country refuses a legitimate extradition request by the United States?

If anything is likely, there may be negotiations to forestall the extradition request, but if one if made, I do not see how we refuse to honor it and not undermine every extradition treaty we have with every other nation with which we have one in place.
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