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Old 09-22-2009, 12:42 PM   #1
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Was anybody else troubled to see

The new [toy] guns in PotC? They are bright pink and bright blue with orange caps.

My brother's favorite toy at WDW (1970's) was always the guns in PotC. They also sold the same ones in Frontierland (alongside Davy Crockett racoontail-caps), but PotC was always where my brother bought his. Each year, he got a slightly bigger gun. He did fire some caps, but mostly he was very careful not to do anything to damage them. As an adult, he's not into guns at all.

About ten years ago, I noticed Disney added orange caps. Then came 9/11, and somewhere in there, the Frontierland guns disappeared. Now they sell pins and candy in the same spot.

This year the orange capped guns are painted bright blue and bright PINK! Yes, PINK! Times sure have changed.

Has our society lost something? Or is it better that they look so obviously fake?

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Old 09-22-2009, 12:45 PM   #2
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I hear what you're saying, but I'd rather have them look obviously fake by being pink, blue, rainbow-striped, whatever, than have a child accidentally shot by an officer who thought it was real.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:28 PM   #3
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:38 PM   #4
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The new guns in PotC? They are bright pink and bright blue with orange caps.

My brother's favorite toy at WDW (1970's) was always the guns in PotC. They also sold the same ones in Frontierland (alongside Davy Crockett racoontail-caps), but PotC was always where my brother bought his. Each year, he got a slightly bigger gun. He did fire some caps, but mostly he was very careful not to do anything to damage them. As an adult, he's not into guns at all.

About ten years ago, I noticed Disney added orange caps. Then came 9/11, and somewhere in there, the Frontierland guns disappeared. Now they sell pins and candy in the same spot.

This year the orange capped guns are painted bright blue and bright PINK! Yes, PINK! Times sure have changed.

Has our society lost something? Or is it better that they look so obviously fake?

I think it's important that they be obviously fake... I'm not sure that the bright color is the way to go, but I'm sure there is some marketing logic behind that as well.

Also, for TSA rules, they need to be completely "non-realistic" or they'll get confiscated - this might more likely be the reasoning behind the change, since I'm sure folks were trying to check or get on planes with the things and they were being taken by the TSA (there was an article on cnn.com where this was mentioned just yesterday).
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:02 PM   #5
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I understand this reality- I was ina classroom on 9/11 and during Columbine.Everyone in our schools was very scared. Indeed, a short time after Columbine, there was shooting at a nearby school. I interviewed at that school.

Still, it seems that our society has lost something. Something significant. I'm not advocating real guns. I'm saying we've lost the ability to play. Instead of assuming the kid's gun is fake, our first assumption is that it could be real.

Again, I'm not commenting on current gun laws. I'm trying to figure out what happened to our society? When did we lose the ability to play?

The Disney buses were shut down for an hour last week because of a tire pressure gauge. What's happening to us?
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:06 PM   #6
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Color doesn't mean a thing when it comes to a firearm being "realistic." You ought to see how many color options are out there for refinishing (I've used their products, they're easy to apply and some have done up firearms in extremely nontraditional colors like pink).

It is more the shape that matters, and the toy flintlock style I've seen at WDW isn't likely to be mistaken for a real gun any more than a stick or wooden rubber band gun might be (in the dark, they will be, no matter the color).

For those worried about their kids being hurt when they play with their toys in areas and at times when they can be mistaken for the real deal, the only counter is to teach one's children the proper behavior and times/places for play. Nobody is going to draw down on kids in their backyards or basements in the middle of the day. At night on somebody else's property, things change and color won't matter (nobody will be able to see it in the dark, just the general shape).
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I understand this reality- I was ina classroom on 9/11 and during Columbine.Everyone in our schools was very scared. Indeed, a short time after Columbine, there was shooting at a nearby school. I interviewed at that school.

Still, it seems that our society has lost something. Something significant. I'm not advocating real guns. I'm saying we've lost the ability to play. Instead of assuming the kid's gun is fake, our first assumption is that it could be real.

Again, I'm not commenting on current gun laws. I'm trying to figure out what happened to our society? When did we lose the ability to play?

The Disney buses were shut down for an hour last week because of a tire pressure gauge. What's happening to us?
You raise a good point, and I think the answer is that the unthinkable has not only become thinkable, but a remote possibility. There was a day when parents were involved enough that the idea of a young kid using a lethal weapon to harm someone was silly talk. Yes, it could happen, but the possibility was so remote nobody ever considered it. Nowadays we have young kids heavily involved in crime. The first presumption is no longer "not a chance" but "you know, it might be; I know somebody this happened to."

That changes your thinking.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:10 PM   #8
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The new guns in PotC? They are bright pink and bright blue with orange caps.
AAAHH! For a moment I thought you were referring to the guns in the actual attraction... I would just drown myself in the ride.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:11 PM   #9
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Is this new? My DH bought a rifle style gun for DS in February that is brown and pretty much looks like the ones my brothers had int he 70's. It does have an orange cap but the rest is brown.
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There was a law in the early 90s requiring all toy guns to obviously be fake (hence the orange caps). I used to do a lot of theater in high school (early/mid-90s) and it was just about impossible with our small prop budget to find a toy gun for plays (for more money, you can rent a real prop, of course). We would usually end up wrapping a cap gun completely in black electrical tape.
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AAAHH! For a moment I thought you were referring to the guns in the actual attraction... I would just drown myself in the ride.
That was my first thought too...lol. Whew!!
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:16 PM   #12
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We buy a gun from PotC every time we go ... usually 2!
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There was a law in the early 90s requiring all toy guns to obviously be fake (hence the orange caps). I used to do a lot of theater in high school (early/mid-90s) and it was just about impossible with our small prop budget to find a toy gun for plays (for more money, you can rent a real prop, of course). We would usually end up wrapping a cap gun completely in black electrical tape.
We use sharpies or black paint for our airsoft guns.Kind of lame playing airsoft with orange caps.
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You raise a good point, and I think the answer is that the unthinkable has not only become thinkable, but a remote possibility. There was a day when parents were involved enough that the idea of a young kid using a lethal weapon to harm someone was silly talk. Yes, it could happen, but the possibility was so remote nobody ever considered it. Nowadays we have young kids heavily involved in crime. The first presumption is no longer "not a chance" but "you know, it might be; I know somebody this happened to."

That changes your thinking.
I like this line of dialog. I challenge people further to consider that these acts of crime commited by our youth has nothing at all to do with the color we paint our toy guns, but with much deeper issues. Toy guns could look real 50 years ago without Columbine happening, and 100 years ago many kids had there own gun for hunting! Obviously this isn't the cause. But it's a lot easier to change the color of our toys than change on a deep level.
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Again, I'm not commenting on current gun laws. I'm trying to figure out what happened to our society? When did we lose the ability to play?

The Disney buses were shut down for an hour last week because of a tire pressure gauge. What's happening to us?
We have not lost our ability to play. If you can play with a "realistic" gun, you can play with a pink or blue one. Any child with imagination and a true sense of play doesn't care what color the toy is. They imagine it the way they want it. In fact, they can take a ladle or a backscratcher or a ruler or a cardboard paper towel tube and turn it into the most wonderful pirate weapon of all time. The people who can't be a pirate unless the gun looks real -- THOSE are the ones who have lost the ability to play, IMO.

As for the bus situation ... nothing's happening to us. Over-dramatic, much? There was something attached to the undercarriage of a bus that no one could identify. Would you have rather they continued to drive the bus without checking? Maybe we've all become more careful since 9/11, but I don't know that it means something is "wrong with us." The world evolves. Things change. They changed after the Depression. They changed after Pearl Harbor. They changed after Vietnam. They changed after 9/11. Then again ... the world also changed after talking pictures. And television. And Disneyland. And the Internet. You've gotta take the bad with the good.

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