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Old 06-02-2010, 10:16 AM   #3136
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It looks like this (Shoulder and lap restraint):

Those seats look quite cozy, lol.

Again, not sure what my chances are that I'll fit, but I'm glad to not see any seatbelts.

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Old 06-02-2010, 10:18 AM   #3137
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You think it's "wonderful" that Universal treats its guests with such disrespect that there's no rhyme or reason to who they let into the soft open?
How are the GUESTS being treated with disrespect? I agree that passholders have a legitimate complaint. I also agree that Universal seems to be flying by the seat of its pants during this initial test phase, and thus the inconsistent and contradictory information.

But package holders and hotel guests are getting guaranteed access to the Wizarding World for hours every day. And they're getting to enjoy this area without having to fight the crowds.

Why would package holders and hotel guests be offended that a few other random people also get to enjoy this privilege, to a somewhat lesser degree (getting in an hour or two later)? Does the fact that *they're* having a good time somehow sour it for you?

After the grand opening, it's going to be open to everyone and wall-to-wall people. All package holders and hotel guest will get after that is an hour's early access.

Yeah, I think Universal's giving their guests a pretty good deal right now. I wish I was there!
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:20 AM   #3138
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How are the GUESTS being treated with disrespect? I agree that passholders have a legitimate complaint. I also agree that Universal seems to be flying by the seat of its pants during this initial test phase.

But package holders and hotel guests are getting guaranteed access to the Wizarding World for hours every day. And they're getting to enjoy this area without having to fight the crowds.

Why would package holders and hotel guests be offended that a few other random people also get to enjoy this privilege? Does the fact that *they're* having a good time somehow sour it for you?

After the grand opening, it's going to be open to everyone and wall-to-wall people. All package holders and hotel guest will get after that is an hour's early access.

Yeah, I think Universal's giving their guests a pretty good deal right now. I wish I was there!
I don't know what the passholder situation is, but if you're letting one member of the GP in, and not another, with NO discernible explanation, why is that fair?
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:24 AM   #3139
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I don't know what the passholder situation is, but if you're letting one member of the GP in, and not another, with NO discernible explanation, why is that fair?
That's how a soft opening works. It's all about being in the right place at the right time.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:27 AM   #3140
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I don't know what the passholder situation is, but if you're letting one member of the GP in, and not another, with NO discernible explanation, why is that fair?
That's called a soft opening!

I was lucky enough to walk by Spaceship Earth during a soft opening. They ushered a few dozen of us inside, and by the time we got off they'd closed the gate again, and there were no other rides that day.

We were lucky!

If we'd gotten there 15 minutes later, we wouldn't have been lucky.

I'm assuming they decide, based on how many package holders and hotel guests are in the land, how many of the general public they can allow in. Then they open the gates, count that number, and close the gates. Some people are allowed in, some are not.

As for why the folks at the gate at nine were turned away - I personally suspect it's because someone knew that it'd be another hour or more before anyone could be let in, and they didn't want a stampede or people getting hurt. Especially if there were far more people waiting than were likely to be let in.

Someone somewhere may have made up the story about "no public allowed in today" to get people to disperse quiety, or it may have been a misunderstanding, or a sudden change in plans, but whatever the reason, that doesn't mean the fellow at the gate was lying. He was almost certainly just passing on exactly what he'd been told.
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Total FAIL on Universal's part.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:31 AM   #3142
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You think it's "wonderful" that Universal treats its guests with such disrespect that there's no rhyme or reason to who they let into the soft open?
Remember: the package deal only promises these things:

This EXCLUSIVE vacation package includes:
Early Park Admission◊ to experience The Wizarding World of Harry Potter
Breakfast at the Three Broomsticks™ - one per person
Commemorative ticket – one per person
Hotel accommodations at a Universal Partner Hotel
3-Day Base Ticket^ to both Universal Orlando® theme parks – one theme park, per day
Access to live entertainment◊◊ at Universal CityWalk®

Nowhere there is listed exclusive, special access to package holders only. The only time package holders would be in the park "alone" would be the early breakfast. After 9, it's fair game. They need bodies in there so they can work out crowd control to make it less of a madhouse when they throw those gates open on June 18
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:36 AM   #3143
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We got let into wwohp at 9:55AM, whoever happened to be around the gate at that time. Rand to forbidden journey and did butterbeer.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:47 AM   #3144
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People seem to forget the area is only SOFT open at the moment...and with package holders they do have the area from 8am to around 12pm (based on several peoples reports)
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:52 AM   #3145
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Remember: the package deal only promises these things:

This EXCLUSIVE vacation package includes:
Early Park Admission◊ to experience The Wizarding World of Harry Potter
Breakfast at the Three Broomsticks™ - one per person
Commemorative ticket – one per person
Hotel accommodations at a Universal Partner Hotel
3-Day Base Ticket^ to both Universal Orlando® theme parks – one theme park, per day
Access to live entertainment◊◊ at Universal CityWalk®

Nowhere there is listed exclusive, special access to package holders only. The only time package holders would be in the park "alone" would be the early breakfast. After 9, it's fair game. They need bodies in there so they can work out crowd control to make it less of a madhouse when they throw those gates open on June 18
Yes but nowhere does it say "limited admission time to harry potter' area
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:54 AM   #3146
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The problem is, when you write something like this, no one really notices the "don't know how true it is" part of your message. All they read is "the doors swung open", "they are in now", and the "yet another example" editorial.

So your story gets passed along from one poster to the next, and the next thing you know sme folks are completely convinced that the gates are being thrown wide open at 9am sharp and all the non-package, non-hotel park goers are flooding in and packing the place elbow to elbow, and ruining everything for the folks who bought packages.

But at the same time other folks are saying, "No, only limited numbers got in, and only at 10, and the FJ ride is a walk-on." What's the truth? I don't know, I'm not there and neither are you.

Of course, as a package holder travelling in December, I won't get anything other than an hour early entry and breakfast, as indicated on my e-ticket.
No. To be very clear I am not there. I've been up front about that in every post I have made about it and have prefaced everything I've said on the matter. I simply answered a question that no one else had answered at that point with the knowledge that was available to me at the time, and I said as much. I never stated it as a fact. (the 'swung open at 9am' part was almost verbatim from the source I got the information from.)

I try very hard to differentiate in my posts between what is fact, speculation or opinion. But people need to realize that very little of what gets posted in these forums can be taken as true unwavering fact. It is a grapevine, albeit a relatively well informed one.

And yet, sadly, it has been a far better source of information than Universal has been on this whole WW thing.

But hey, at least when you go as a pkg holder in December you'll get to stay in all day. Unless of course they change it on you before you get there and are told on arrival they've decided to limit it to only a couple of hours. If they do that, remember you're not supposed get upset and God forbid if you complain. Just be a good little vacationer and nevermind what you thought you were paying for; just be happy for the fact that the vacation you bought allows you to get in for any length of time. They very well could have taken your money and then not let you in at all--they're doing you a favor. (This is what I've been told many times on here anyway. So it must be true right?)
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No. To be very clear I am not there. I've been up front about that in every post I have made about it and have prefaced everything I've said on the matter. I simply answered a question that no one else had answered at that point with the knowledge that was available to me at the time, and I said as much. I never stated it as a fact. (the 'swung open at 9am' part was almost verbatim from the source I got the information from.)

I try very hard to differentiate in my posts between what is fact, speculation or opinion. But people need to realize that very little of what gets posted in these forums can be taken as true unwavering fact. It is a grapevine, albeit a relatively well informed one.

And yet, sadly, it has been a far better source of information than Universal has been on this whole WW thing.

But hey, at least when you go as a pkg holder in December you'll get to stay in all day. Unless of course they change it on you before you get there and are told on arrival they've decided to limit it to only a couple of hours. If they do that, remember you're not supposed get upset and God forbid if you complain. Just be a good little vacationer and nevermind what you thought you were paying for; just be happy for the fact that the vacation you bought allows you to get in for any length of time. They very well could have taken your money and then not let you in at all--they're doing you a favor. (This is what I've been told many times on here anyway. So it must be true right?)
As far as I was aware, any theme park can close any ride as it sees fit, you are never guaranteed a particular ride will be open.
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:03 AM   #3148
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No. To be very clear I am not there. I've been up front about that in every post I have made about it and have prefaced everything I've said on the matter. I simply answered a question that no one else had answered at that point with the knowledge that was available to me at the time, and I said as much. I never stated it as a fact. (the 'swung open at 9am' part was almost verbatim from the source I got the information from.)

I try very hard to differentiate in my posts between what is fact, speculation or opinion. But people need to realize that very little of what gets posted in these forums can be taken as true unwavering fact. It is a grapevine, albeit a relatively well informed one.

And yet, sadly, it has been a far better source of information than Universal has been on this whole WW thing.

But hey, at least when you go as a pkg holder in December you'll get to stay in all day. Unless of course they change it on you before you get there and are told on arrival they've decided to limit it to only a couple of hours. If they do that, remember you're not supposed get upset and God forbid if you complain. Just be a good little vacationer and nevermind what you thought you were paying for; just be happy for the fact that the vacation you bought allows you to get in for any length of time. They very well could have taken your money and then not let you in at all--they're doing you a favor. (This is what I've been told many times on here anyway. So it must be true right?)
I wouldn't WANT to spend 10 hours a day stuck inside a few square metres of land. Four hours is plenty.

If I was told that I could have an exclusive preview, with limited access to everyone else, for several hours every morning, I'd personally be thrilled. No crowds, a chance to wander around and see things before everyone else, what's the downside?

Have you considered actually quoting your sources verbatim in the future? Then no one would think it was actually your description, and you couldn't be accused of rumour-mongering. Merely of passing on rumours, from clearly-not-so-well-informed sources.

(BTW - I hope you'll be writing a trip report, if you're still going!)
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How are the GUESTS being treated with disrespect? I agree that passholders have a legitimate complaint. I also agree that Universal seems to be flying by the seat of its pants during this initial test phase, and thus the inconsistent and contradictory information.

But package holders and hotel guests are getting guaranteed access to the Wizarding World for hours every day. And they're getting to enjoy this area without having to fight the crowds.

Why would package holders and hotel guests be offended that a few other random people also get to enjoy this privilege, to a somewhat lesser degree (getting in an hour or two later)? Does the fact that *they're* having a good time somehow sour it for you?

After the grand opening, it's going to be open to everyone and wall-to-wall people. All package holders and hotel guest will get after that is an hour's early access.

Yeah, I think Universal's giving their guests a pretty good deal right now. I wish I was there!

Ya know, this sums it up how I feel right now...well stated!
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I've got a question to ponder..

How different do you think things would be if this was say 10yrs ago...BEFORE the age of internet, cell phones and the like. None of this negative info would be passed so freely. You would have booked the package when you saw it available, you would have gone to the soft opening preview, and you would have been THRILLED with what you got no matter how much or how little...

Its safe to say, the internet/always connected world has ruined the small joys in life..its now a I WANT IT NOW world...I for one, would LOVE to go back
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