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Old 02-21-2010, 07:28 PM   #1171
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We're staying CL at BC for the last part of our trip. Are the DSA's close by? I understand I'll have to go downstairs and such - but are they easy to get to like they are at BWI?

For example, at CL at BWI I could walk down the stairs that were right next to the Concierge desk outside the CL doors and the DSA was in the courtyard. Easy peasy! It was an easy in - easy out. Is there a DSA close by the CL section at BC that's like that? You know, stairs that I could go down that come out near a DSA, or do I have to trek to get to one?

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Old 02-26-2010, 03:37 PM   #1172
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Wait - does this mean smoking is allowed on balconies? Or is it sort of one of those things where they turn a blind eye to it?

DH and I smoke and while I'm happy to walk myself down to one of the DSAs, I can almost guarantee that he won't (he's not all that thrilled that I'm shanghai-ing the family off to WDW but that's a different story altogether). We're going to try to trade into DVC from my HGVC timeshare but I don't want to open the door to trouble if he refuses to walk to a DSA. I also want to be courteous to my fellow guests (those staying nearby and the next group to use our villa).

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The balcony information is incorrect. SSR seems very smoker friendly and you have the locations correct. AKL not so much as there is only 2 locations. Between the main entrance and the bus stop and the other is near the playground
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Old 02-26-2010, 09:18 PM   #1173
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Smoking on balconies is not allowed
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Old 02-26-2010, 09:41 PM   #1174
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jjohnson and shellybaxter are right - the earlier (previous page, top) information about balcony smoking is WRONG. The room rental contract you sign states this clearly, on the back - no smoking in rooms or on balconies, and that the Guest is agreeing to pay a fee of up to $550 per incident for violating the agreement.

There is a DSA in front of EVERY building at SSR and OKW. If you really think he's going to be difficult, (a) ask for a unit near the designated smoking area and (b) be SURE to point out the no-smoking agreement he/you sign to him.
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Old 02-26-2010, 10:53 PM   #1175
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Thanks much for clarifying; I'll just have to drag him downstairs by the hair, LOL.
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Old 02-27-2010, 12:04 AM   #1176
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Nah, just ask for a copy of the room agreement and an elastic band... and wrap them around his cigarettes, with the no-smoking clause and penalty visible and highlighted :lmao2: and LOTS of luck! It's actually really nice (okay, nicer at OKW, but I just like that resort better overall) - there's a bench, landscaping, and a BIG ashtray!
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Old 02-27-2010, 05:09 AM   #1177
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May I just say that everyone here is a conscientious, courteous smoker, who knows their DSAs etc, and I think the 'other's' should give us some slack! I KNOW we all wish we didn't need this thread, but we do, for courtesy! The same courtesy should be afforded us when we're IN a DSA. Am I right?
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Old 02-27-2010, 05:47 AM   #1178
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Okay, KimRaye, I'm going to start off by disclaiming: it's early; I didn't sleep well; sometimes I think I'm funnier than I really am.

Okay, with all that out of the way I think we should get custom-made clothing - t-shirts, hats, hoodies, whatever one wears - from a site like Zazzle:

Courteous person smoking only where allowed; now get off my @$$ and go breathe somewhere else!
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Okay, KimRaye, I'm going to start off by disclaiming: it's early; I didn't sleep well; sometimes I think I'm funnier than I really am.

Okay, with all that out of the way I think we should get custom-made clothing - t-shirts, hats, hoodies, whatever one wears - from a site like Zazzle:

Courteous person smoking only where allowed; now get off my @$$ and go breathe somewhere else!
ITA!! Maybe just a sign post we can hold up for the 'others' that we HEAR saying - "I smell smoke"! I myself smell smoke in NON DSAs and it annoys me that 'some' get away with that, and possibly ruin our chances at DSA spots. Respect, on both sides is all I ask!
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:21 AM   #1180
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[QUOTE=kaytieeldr;35616286]Okay, sometimes I think I'm funnier than I really am.
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now THAT is a quote for the TAG fairy!!!(sounds like a Steven Wright line)
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:25 AM   #1181
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Thanks, smidgy! I admire him (and I'm from Massachusetts - must by our wry Yankee sensibilities... )
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:20 PM   #1182
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We just returned from 6 nights at WDW, the first night at POP and then 5 at BWV.

We needed 2 rooms at POP and I requested them to be close to a DSA. We got first floor rooms in the 1950ís building with a DSA about 50 feet from our door, so that was convenient. At check-in I didnít leave a credit card for room charges since we were only there for one night, so I wasnít asked to sign anything. I really donít think that signature at check-in has anything to do with the smoking policy, itís just an authorization to charge the credit card for room charges.

Anyway, the DSA at POP was well used. It was clean except the ashtray was absolutely full of butts. We werenít there long enough to see how well it was maintained, but in the short time we were there we met many other people flocking to the same DSA.

At BWV we had a grand villa which was 332 paces and 2 elevator rides to the closest DSA. It was a nice covered DSA with a bench, but again used by many guests. The butts would be removed but an hour later the ashtray would be full again. This particular DSA is located at the door nearest to the Bellevue Lounge on the lake side of the Boardwalk. There are 2 DSAís on the Luna Park side, but they were tucked into the extreme corners, also by doors, and it was windy during our trip so the effect was like being in a wind tunnel. DH said there was another DSA on the other side of the Luna Park pool, along the sidewalk, but I didnít investigate that one since it was along the waterway and would probably have been even windier there. There simply were not enough decent DSA's at the BWV to accommodate the number of smokers staying there, at least at the same time we were there.

One cast member we asked told us that DSAís on the boardwalk itself were located at either end, one outside of Jellyrolls and one outside of ESPN. There were many benches and one ashtray at each site but again it was windy and an unpleasant place to have a cup of coffee and a cigarette, especially after such a long hike to get there. At night both places were also heavily populated by drunks. I had a particularly unhappy encounter with a group of drunken men Ė I mean, knee-crawling drunk Ė at the Jellyrolls DSA.

DSAís in the parks were fewer and harder to find than on our last visit. DH soon reached a point where he wouldnít even go into the parks. He said if he had to look for a DSA too long, he would get out of the traffic area and light up anyway. Fortunately, that didnít happen (mainly because he didnít go to the parks much). At Animal Kingdom I spent 20 minutes looking for a DSA marked on the map in Dinoland and asked three CMís before I actually found it. When I did, I felt like I was going backstage. It was large and had several benches, but still it was SRO despite its size and being so hard to find.

At the DSAís we talked to people who admitted to breaking the rules because the rules have become too strict to follow. Too little accommodation for the smokers is having a reverse effect. I myself still followed the rules, even though it had a negative effect on my vacation and wore both DH and me out legging it to the legal smoking areas. On the positive side, we saved big $$$ by spending so little time doing anything else.

Weíre finding the DSAís fewer, crowded, and harder to find. It really cut into our park time the last four trips, and we actually cancelled three trips in large part because we dreaded hassling with the smoking issue. We had a good time, but I was ready to leave. No more long stays at Disney for us.
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On my last trip, I found myself smoking EVERY time I encountered a DSA, whether I wanted a cigarette or not. And often, at Epcot, between the park entrance and the bus area, in that little nook to the left where the soda machines are? And I was seldom alone there. Nobody could definitively show or explain to me where I could or couldn't smoke outside the actual park.
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Nobody could definitively show or explain to me where I could or couldn't smoke outside the actual park.
Yes, they would clear up a lot of confusion if they just gave a clear cut policy. I don't mind being told to smoke in certain places - as long as designated areas are provided to accommodate me.

Also, inside the MK last Easter I consulted my trusty map to remind me where the nearest DSA to Pecos Bills was. One of the CMs from the restaurant saw me with the map (it always shows on my face that I don't get along well with maps ) and pointed me in the right direction. Well there were at leat 10 others smoking there, but I notice there was no ashtray - just hundreds of cigarette ends on the ground. I may be a smoker, but I'm not a litterbug, so I decided to move along to a different DSA instead. As I was walking away, a CM came up and told all the smokers to put out their cigarettes as it was not a DSA - it had moved, but nobody seemd too sure where to ....(????) It was still like that 10 days later when we walked by. This is the kind of unnecessary confusion through lack of effective signage and communication that gets the rule-abiding smokers into trouble.
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Old 03-21-2010, 07:24 AM   #1185
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On my last trip, I found myself smoking EVERY time I encountered a DSA, whether I wanted a cigarette or not. And often, at Epcot, between the park entrance and the bus area, in that little nook to the left where the soda machines are? And I was seldom alone there. Nobody could definitively show or explain to me where I could or couldn't smoke outside the actual park.
That happens to me too. In WS there are two I would always stop at, and last trip one of them is now gone. It gets very frustrating when you are trying to follow the rules and then can't because they've taken away yet another DSA. None of the CM's seem to know where the DSA's are.

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Yes, they would clear up a lot of confusion if they just gave a clear cut policy. I don't mind being told to smoke in certain places - as long as designated areas are provided to accommodate me.

Also, inside the MK last Easter I consulted my trusty map to remind me where the nearest DSA to Pecos Bills was. One of the CMs from the restaurant saw me with the map (it always shows on my face that I don't get along well with maps ) and pointed me in the right direction. Well there were at leat 10 others smoking there, but I notice there was no ashtray - just hundreds of cigarette ends on the ground. I may be a smoker, but I'm not a litterbug, so I decided to move along to a different DSA instead. As I was walking away, a CM came up and told all the smokers to put out their cigarettes as it was not a DSA - it had moved, but nobody seemd too sure where to ....(????) It was still like that 10 days later when we walked by. This is the kind of unnecessary confusion through lack of effective signage and communication that gets the rule-abiding smokers into trouble.
Yes, that one is gone now. So is the one between Adventureland and Frontierland. There are still smokers that go there now, even though they've moved the two sections to waayy over by Splash Mountain.

It is getting more and more difficult to follow the rules. I wonder what's going to happen if the parks go entirely smoke free?
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