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Old 03-21-2006, 03:28 AM   #16
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Just wanted to say a big thankyou to all the people GBLT and CSP who posted over there and supported us, especially luvmydogs.

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As I said when I posted on the thread... the only ppl who have a strong vested interest in bashing gay/lesbian ppl are ppl who have skeletons in their closet to begin with.
lol, it's that old "the lady doth protest too much methinks"!!!
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Old 03-21-2006, 09:58 AM   #17
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Never fear folks, those threads tend to die out and those that post the nastiness virtually always move on, looking like the close minded hate filled judgemental bigots that they are. It's happened before and will continue to happen.

There is one poster in particular that always, always has to state his opinion, founded on his strong belief in God and the Bible. Without fail, he always states that with prayer and an equally strong belief system we (gays anbd lesbians) can overcome our unnatural urges and choose to live heterosexual lives that fit the norm and God's will.

It may have worked for him, albeit it temporarily in my mind, but it won't and doesn't work for everyone.

You can visit that thread in question to see my post to him to know who I am speaking about. I'd rather not list his name here on this board.
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Old 03-21-2006, 10:01 AM   #18
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By the ways everyone, rather than complaining about that thread on the Community Board over here, go and visit it and post your own thoughts.

We all need to let others hear our voices. If we only talk amongst ourselves, what purpose would that serve? It might be cathartic to get things off our chest, but it would be better served by letting others see the ignorance in their closed minds.

On that note, I really really strongly urge you to do so but to do it by following the DIS rules, i.e. no name calling and nothing offensive.
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Old 03-21-2006, 10:32 AM   #19
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Hi Rick

I think I better stop going over there, it is making me NOT think about Disney.

DISNEY is much more fun to talk about.

I wish I was there now, and not trying to persuade someone I did not choose to be Gay !

If I chose anything, I would choose myself to be Rich, Buffed with a 6 pack, and Handsome. 2 out of 3 isn't bad. LOL !
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Old 03-21-2006, 10:51 AM   #20
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It's interesting to speculate about the psychological make-up of someone who confuses "knowing" and "believing." You certainly can't get through to someone who claims to "know" something that reasonable people consider a matter of faith. I think "knowing" that there is a hell is delusional. In the case of the poster whom Rick references, I suspect the delusion is not based in a general propensity to credulity so much as in a need to espouse a very particular set of ideas, perhaps for the reasons Rick states (battling own homosexual urges) or perhaps because absolute certainty helps him to cope with an otherwise confusing internal landscape. He may have had very authoritarian parenting, and need to believe that there is a protector available to him who will vindicate all the wrongs others can perpetrate. I do imagine that he projects his own (to him unacceptable) urges (not necessarily homosexual) onto others and then condemns them to hell (note his grandiose assumption that he knows the mind of his god) in proportion to his failure to accept himself. Just some thoughts.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:01 AM   #21
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I've been reading the posts too and it's taken a major amount of self-control not to reply. I'm Catholic and I'm thankful that I hear a quite different message when I go to Mass on Sunday - Gays and Lesbians are full participants every week ... but maybe we read a different bible! It's frustrating to see that some posters seem to choose to take the bible literally when it suits their own agenda but ignore the sections that dispute their beliefs.
I too am Catholic and I believe that God made each and every one of us exactly the way he wanted. We are never made perfect and the world would be a boring place if we all were.

I have a Gay cousin and I love him dearly. I know he was born that way and it does not matter to me why. His SO is a great guy and I know that they would love to adopt, but cannot at this time.

Actually our Bible is different. We have more books in our Bible and a different translation. I once saw a Protestant Theologian speak and he said the big difference between Catholics and Protestants is that Catholics are more spiritual (take the Bible are a guide) and Protestants more theological (take the Bible verbatium).

I too am sorry for all the hate on that thread. I stopped reading it very early. The same group seems to love to spew their venom and stand behind the Bible as proof they are right. To me the Bible is a way to treat others not to put others down.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:09 AM   #22
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I don't agree that being gay or lesbian is a 'lifestyle' choice, I feel that where you work, who you live with (regardless of sexuality) how many kids you have etc is a 'lifestyle' choice, sure, there are gays who enjoy the whole 'scene' and those particular parties/clubs etc, but there are straight people who enjoy the same or entirely different 'scenes'. Unless people are pretending to be something they're not, ie gay when straight or straight when gay, then I'm not sure they actually HAVE a choice.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:17 AM   #23
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There is one poster in particular that always, always has to state his opinion, founded on his strong belief in God and the Bible. Without fail, he always states that with prayer and an equally strong belief system we (gays anbd lesbians) can overcome our unnatural urges and choose to live heterosexual lives that fit the norm and God's will.

It may have worked for him, albeit it temporarily in my mind, but it won't and doesn't work for everyone.
I checked out the poster you are refering to. I find I skip his posts since I never find much value in what he says. I have no idea what God's will is, how could I? I am not God. People like him really make me hang my head in shame as a Christian. I believe in love and acceptance not hatred and bigotry.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:24 AM   #24
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I made my way over there and posted a little bit from my perspective, I think I'm post number 509. In case you don't go over there to read I'm going to post my response below as it is the antithesis of what a lot of the "Christians" are posting they are taught.

"Just a little posting from my perspective...

My maternal grandfather was (he passed away) a United Church of Christ minister. He had a Doctorate in theology from a major university as well as having graduated from a major theological seminary. (I tell you this just to illustrate he had studied religion, most especially Christianity extensively). His minstery took him to 4 different states, from urban to rural (the longest times he was in one church were rural), he started his ministery in the early 40's and continued until the mid/late 80's when he retired (but he still did vacation fill in minstering until he passed away). Now with all that info, this is/was my granndfather's stance on homosexuality... as told to me from the youngest ages:
God loves everyone, regardless of whom they love, or how they live their lives. God wants everyone to find the person who makes them so happy they will no longer doubt that God exists and what it feels like to be loved by God. God wants you to find the person, regardless of gender, who can make you believe in the love of God.

Being as I have literally lived IN a church and was raised with everything in my life being tied into the church and religion being in every aspect of my life... I do not understand the haters who try to hide behind the Bible, using the passages to defend their hate. You can find a passage in the Bible to suppport any claim, it's all up to your interpretation.

God does not want you to hate and it is not up to YOU to judge. Going by the Bible as i know it... the real Christians are the ones who love and accept unconditionally, not the haters and judgers."
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:33 AM   #25
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It's interesting to speculate about the psychological make-up of someone who confuses "knowing" and "believing." You certainly can't get through to someone who claims to "know" something that reasonable people consider a matter of faith. I think "knowing" that there is a hell is delusional. In the case of the poster whom Rick references, I suspect the delusion is not based in a general propensity to credulity so much as in a need to espouse a very particular set of ideas, perhaps for the reasons Rick states (battling own homosexual urges) or perhaps because absolute certainty helps him to cope with an otherwise confusing internal landscape. He may have had very authoritarian parenting, and need to believe that there is a protector available to him who will vindicate all the wrongs others can perpetrate. I do imagine that he projects his own (to him unacceptable) urges (not necessarily homosexual) onto others and then condemns them to hell (note his grandiose assumption that he knows the mind of his god) in proportion to his failure to accept himself. Just some thoughts.

That's a great post. Very insightful. I know someone like this IRL and it makes a lot of sense. I think that's why the phrase (in general) "I tell it like it is!" bothers me so much. I always want to say, you mean you tell it like you see it!
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:42 AM   #26
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It's interesting to speculate about the psychological make-up of someone who confuses "knowing" and "believing." You certainly can't get through to someone who claims to "know" something that reasonable people consider a matter of faith. I think "knowing" that there is a hell is delusional. In the case of the poster whom Rick references, I suspect the delusion is not based in a general propensity to credulity so much as in a need to espouse a very particular set of ideas, perhaps for the reasons Rick states (battling own homosexual urges) or perhaps because absolute certainty helps him to cope with an otherwise confusing internal landscape. He may have had very authoritarian parenting, and need to believe that there is a protector available to him who will vindicate all the wrongs others can perpetrate. I do imagine that he projects his own (to him unacceptable) urges (not necessarily homosexual) onto others and then condemns them to hell (note his grandiose assumption that he knows the mind of his god) in proportion to his failure to accept himself. Just some thoughts.
I couldn't agree more, however, in this particular poster's case, he has said on more than one occasion, quite a long time ago, that his faith in prayer and strong belief in God was what had allowed him to choose the right path and live in a lifestyle that is more acceptable to his church's and his own beliefs.

I honestly think that's a pant load truth be told. Anyone that is able to do that is simply repressing one's own desires and need to love whom one wants to as opposed to whom society dictates. It is a path that is bound for tremendous failure. There have been far too many people out there who have been put through so much intense pain and grief because their wife/husband came out later in life.

In any case, this poster and one other are incredibly preoccupied with what goes on in gay folks' bedrooms to the point that their interest borders on obsession. God knows I could care less what they do in their own homes, not sure why they feel the need to know what goes on in mine.

Although whenever anyone gets caught up in their need to espouse anti-gay remarks with the vehemence in which they are known, it really makes me wonder what their true motives are. Those folks need to look into themselves and really find out exactly what the driving force is, whether it's repression (in a LOT of cases) or simple ignorance and poor education.
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he has said on more than one occasion, quite a long time ago, that his faith in prayer and strong belief in God was what had allowed him to choose the right path and live in a lifestyle that is more acceptable to his church's and his own beliefs.
Yes, it's as if he believes that without very rigidly controlling himself, he would be out of control or immoral in his behavior (exactly how he views gays). Setting aside whatever standards of scrupulosity he holds (to him, swearing in his mind might equate with being immoral), he sounds like the would-be criminal who goes into law enforcement instead, never truly accepting and controlling his impulses, but instead working vengefully to punish others for the same ones. Some people (usually empathy-challenged, and notice his lack of empathy toward those who disagree with him, even to the point where he drives them to tears, all while posting sunshiny smilies and professing to love everyone) have very rigid ideas about right and wrong, and can't tolerate what they perceive as wrong in themselves. So they project it outward and then castigate those they project onto. Gays are just the targets of projection du jour. But that fact that he would go to delusional extremes to uphold his rigid framework testifies to just how afraid he is of having the dam break and how incapable of deep acceptance he is.
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That's a great post. Very insightful. I know someone like this IRL and it makes a lot of sense. I think that's why the phrase (in general) "I tell it like it is!" bothers me so much. I always want to say, you mean you tell it like you see it!
Thanks, Texa. Arrogance is so off-putting (even when the person is right), and it certainly doesn't strengthen an argument or openness to one's perspective. I'm sure a panel of impartial judges would not think that the most arrogant posters on the CB thread had even minimally supported their cases. So it doesn't really matter that they think they are stating the obvious and that everyone else 's argument is without merit; no minds were changed in their favor and they generated a fair degree of antipathy for their tone-deaf perspective.
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Old 03-21-2006, 01:59 PM   #29
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I know your all gonna flame me for this - but it is possible that you can be gay by choice and by being born gay. i know because I am in a relationship where one of us was born gay the other chose a change in lifestyle and today chooses to be in a gay relationship. It's wonderful that we have t he opportunity to make choices for ourselves and yet be embraced by others for it.

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I haven't even opened the thread on the CB because I won't be able to play nice if I do.

Here is what it boils down to:
If society told me I "should" be a lesbian I would be completely bewildered. I am straight. Not by choice, but just because. I never even THOUGHT about who I would fall in love with, I just happened to love boys. Isn't that exactly the same thing gay and lesbian folks feel when society tells them they "should" love the opposite sex? It must feel so UNnatural that it is almost laughable. So how could anyone CHOOSE to be gay? The attraction we feel for another person is pre-determined, be it a person of the opposite sex or the same sex.

Of course it's not a CHOICE!
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