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Old 03-08-2006, 03:12 PM   #16
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I tried to read some of that thread, but could not get thru Spoons post. Yikes!!! Imagine having to listen to that in person. UGH!!!

Please don't be put off by the CB. We are not all bad, we just have a few rotten apples. Unfortunately, they are the ones that leave a lasting impression.

I do not agree with what I read on that thread & am sorry that crap is going on over there.
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Old 03-08-2006, 04:06 PM   #17
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I worked my way through that thread and was delighted to see the number of CSP supporting us. When I first started reading the thread I began to get angry and then remembered a saying my father used to always use which is "I don't discuss things with people more ignorant and closed minded than myself because I can't learn anything from them." He was one of those CSP that worked for our rights and was totally accepting of his two gay children.

I appreciate that there is a forum to discuss things on these boards and I am grateful their are people chiming in to show support for us.
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Old 03-08-2006, 05:26 PM   #18
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I read the thread while I was at work today and I normally try not to do that while I'm at work ... but it was like a car wreck ... I didn't want to look but I couldn't stop myself! On the plus side it showed once again how many CSPs there are - thank you all!! And that makes the very few who posted negative comments in the minority .... wow, ignorant people are now a minority ... I wonder if they'll soon start to see things through our eyes. No, probably not!
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The idea of a Best Picture really is subjective. And I agree it's just a movie. But the Brokeback loss really did bother me, mostly because I, as well as other people, see it as hollywoods homophobia rearing its ugly head. It's difficult for me to not come to that conclusion when you have quotes from Academy members like this out there:
I am curious, did you see all five nominees? Did you actually feel that Brokeback Mountain was the best of them? I saw all five. I think that Brokeback Mountain was an important film, but I do not think it was better than Crash.

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Old 03-09-2006, 08:23 AM   #20
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I know that there is discrimination against gay and lesbian people. It still hurts, though, to read comments from people who believe that we are innately immoral and that we lack value to society.

It's at moments like this when I feel gay pride. Despite all of the hate and persecution over the centuries, gays and lesbians have continued to love and contribute to civilization.
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:31 AM   #21
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I am disgusted that some Academy members did not watch Brokeback Mountain. If they are going to accept the responsibility to vote on the nominees, then they have a responsibility to watch ALL nominated films so as to make an informed voting decision.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:37 AM   #22
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I am disgusted that some Academy members did not watch Brokeback Mountain. If they are going to accept the responsibility to vote on the nominees, then they have a responsibility to watch ALL nominated films so as to make an informed voting decision.
Agreed. They are provided with screening copies of everything they vote on (their own branch (e.g., directing) plus all the films that everyone votes on). For someone like Tony Curtis to say he would not watch Brokeback Mountain (when it's his job as a voting academy member) is just unprofessional, tacky AND homophobic. Do Academy members sign something or somehow indicate they've seen all the films??
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I was surprised that Tony Curtis of all people would refuse to watch Brokeback Mountain. Jamie Lee Curtis is the godmother of Jake Gyllenhaal.
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I was surprised that Tony Curtis of all people would refuse to watch Brokeback Mountain. Jamie Lee Curtis is the godmother of Jake Gyllenhaal.
Tony Curtis? Yeah, he's so butch he wears silk scarves, Yoko sunglasses and more brush than a Grandma.
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Tony Curtis? Yeah, he's so butch he wears silk scarves, Yoko sunglasses and more brush than a Grandma.
And he also dressed in drag in Some Like it Hot ... not to mention Sparticus.
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I am curious, did you see all five nominees? Did you actually feel that Brokeback Mountain was the best of them? I saw all five. I think that Brokeback Mountain was an important film, but I do not think it was better than Crash.

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Hi, Tom, for many of the reasons outlined by Stephen King in his most recent articile on the topic, I thought Brokeback was a much, much better film than Crash. And, yes, I saw all five films , unlike many members of the Academy who freely admitted they were never going to see Brokback but were going to vote for another film anyway.

Here are my favorites from top to bottom (so to speak - yikes):

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Good Night and Good Luck
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Because it's hard for me to separate Hoffman's stunning portrayal of Truman from the film itself I might actually have liked Brokeback better and I am open to the argumnet that fifty years from now Good Night and Good Luck will be a classic while all the others are almost forgotten. I had a vested issue in liking Crash - my family is multiracial - but its treament of race relations was so thin I was disillusioned and bored halfway through. Frankly, I can't believe it was nominated and I know homophobia was the reason it won.
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Do Academy members sign something or somehow indicate they've seen all the films??
Not for Best Picture.

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Old 03-09-2006, 05:30 PM   #28
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Tony Curtis? Yeah, he's so butch he wears silk scarves, Yoko sunglasses and more brush than a Grandma.
I kept waiting for YEARS for him to come out... my gaydar is not working, guess I'm gonna have to ask for a refund.
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:48 PM   #29
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Not to change the topic here, but did anyone else read the point/counter point type of article in USAToday today? (3/9)

It was debating gay adoption, the last page of the first section.

If it we not so sad, it would have been comical.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:10 PM   #30
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"I am curious, did you see all five nominees? Did you actually feel that Brokeback Mountain was the best of them? I saw all five. I think that Brokeback Mountain was an important film, but I do not think it was better than Crash."

It really doesn't matter what movie I think was the best. Like I said, that is a subjective question. The facts speak for themselves (see the article I posted). A number of members of the academy said they would not see or vote for Brokeback Mountain because of the subject matter, and in any other year a movie with the awards and critical acclaim that Brokeback Mountain had (one of the most honored films of all time) would have won best picture. And a movie like Crash, with it's poor showing in other awards (including not even being nominated for the Golden Globes), and it's very mixed reviews and poor box office, would not have had a chance of winning.

This made me realize something that I have suspected for a long time, that the Academy Awards mean absolutely NOTHING. The awards are empty. And this has nothing to do with which picture won or lost. People can actually vote for Best Picture without seeing a single nominated film, or vote against a film for political reasons. How does that prove the merits of a film? I have not really been into the Academy Awards the past few years, but I don't think I will be watching them anymore. Like I said, they don't mean anything.
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