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Old 07-06-2013, 08:12 AM   #91
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I'm pretty sure I heard there was a per quarter limit per park for pass holders, but this may not be the case anymore.
That was a widely-discussed rumor started by someone looking to stir pots.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:14 AM   #92
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Two RUMORS that have recently come about:
  • Segmented FP+ Availability - There are some indications that WDW might not release all FP+ reservations at the 60 day mark choosing to release a lot of them then but also saving some for the day before and day of.
  • More FP+s at MK - With so many rides at MK, Disney seems to be considering moving up the allocation of FP+s from 3 to 5. Still hearing that there won't be any "groups" of rides to choose from like previous tests. This would explain (partially) that increase in price for MK.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:31 AM   #93
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I heard that Disney has given up on FP+ and is going straight to FP++.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:17 AM   #94
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The old system was very simple and self-contained and also very fair and difficult to abuse as long as CMs rejected old FPs (from previous days or weeks).

Not having tried the new system yet, I have to say I'm uncomfortable with the idea that it's much more complicated and possibly more time-consuming to schedule and manage your experience.

Probably Disney is concerned about guests who book very expensive vacations at very busy times, who don't do any research about touring plans, learning about the existing FP system etc. and who leave The World somewhat dissatisfied with the number of rides and shows they saw compared to what they paid. From a business point of view these very-high-profit guests are the last people you want to be P-O'd (compared with the relatively low-profit AP guests, low-season visitors, etc.) All of this complicated FP+ baloney seems to me to be a way of trying to get FPs into the hands of these high-paying but relatively dumb and uninformed guests.

They could have simply given a stack of regular 'open' FPs to high-paying guests at busy times for each park, in an envelope at check-in time. But instead it looks like a committee of managers with too much time on their hands and a bunch of geeks in the IT department came up with this much more complicated system. Once it's complicated, you start to think of ways to game the system (e.g. AP holders block booking 'just in case') or else ways that system could be blocked and hampered (e.g. GAC abuse). Since it was designed by a committee and bunch of computer geeks, the answer to problems is always going to be 'make it more complicated to try to get around the unforeseen complications'.

That's the grumpy 'me' talking. Maybe it'll be fine in practice and for tourers like myself it won't be all that different from the old system. But it seems to me to be a very expensive and complicated 'solution' to the very simple problem of how to enhance the visiting experience of high-paying but uninformed guests at peak times and get them out of queues and into the shops.
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:51 PM   #95
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The old system was very simple and self-contained and also very fair and difficult to abuse as long as CMs rejected old FPs (from previous days or weeks).

Not having tried the new system yet, I have to say I'm uncomfortable with the idea that it's much more complicated and possibly more time-consuming to schedule and manage your experience.

Probably Disney is concerned about guests who book very expensive vacations at very busy times, who don't do any research about touring plans, learning about the existing FP system etc. and who leave The World somewhat dissatisfied with the number of rides and shows they saw compared to what they paid. From a business point of view these very-high-profit guests are the last people you want to be P-O'd (compared with the relatively low-profit AP guests, low-season visitors, etc.) All of this complicated FP+ baloney seems to me to be a way of trying to get FPs into the hands of these high-paying but relatively dumb and uninformed guests.

They could have simply given a stack of regular 'open' FPs to high-paying guests at busy times for each park, in an envelope at check-in time. But instead it looks like a committee of managers with too much time on their hands and a bunch of geeks in the IT department came up with this much more complicated system. Once it's complicated, you start to think of ways to game the system (e.g. AP holders block booking 'just in case') or else ways that system could be blocked and hampered (e.g. GAC abuse). Since it was designed by a committee and bunch of computer geeks, the answer to problems is always going to be 'make it more complicated to try to get around the unforeseen complications'.

That's the grumpy 'me' talking. Maybe it'll be fine in practice and for tourers like myself it won't be all that different from the old system. But it seems to me to be a very expensive and complicated 'solution' to the very simple problem of how to enhance the visiting experience of high-paying but uninformed guests at peak times and get them out of queues and into the shops.
If you connect your idea with the the concept of making FP a high demand commodity, when people go online to score a good FP, they will be less likely to give it up and venture off to a non Disney park. Also it will lock people in to parks in advance with little opportunity to switch on the fly.
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:22 PM   #96
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Not all of us! I loathe the day that they came out with FP and nothing has happened to change my mind. Disney no longer has to design queues that told the pre-story because everyone was running to get through the area via Fastpass. Doing that made it quicker, maybe, but they lost a valuable and memorable part of the experience. Now they can just put up normal switchback lines with nothing but pipes separating the rows. Toy Story has a tremendously creative queue that no one sees and those that do, see the same thing for incredible amounts of time because their line is not moving.

From everything I have seen or can guess will happen, this is going to hurt both the casual FP user and even the avid FP user. My guess is that FP+ will make it more complicated, limit the number of FP's available and on top of the rest of the stuff that people like myself felt were bad involving FP will now be cranked up and made worse. Not looking forward to it at all. Now that doesn't mean that I have judged it before it happened, but they have given no reason for me to think that it will be an improvement.
Haven't read the entire thread yet, but I agree with every word in this post. I was raised locally, and we used to enjoy just getting to the parks early-ish, but not rope drop, turning left (guaranteed less crowded, because most right-handed people naturally turn right) and making our way around the park in a circle. The queues were true experiences, the lines were just long enough to give us time to enjoy the queue, and we talked to each other or other guests in line if the queue backed up at all. We could finish an entire park in a day with no need to backtrack or zig zag or criss-cross.

Fastpass ruined all of that. Now it's rope drop and spending the entire day running at warp speed back and forth across the park. Either no time or too much time in a queue, everything happening according to ridiculous schedules. A tourist day at Disney is no fun anymore. It's hard work. When we go now, we typically just go for a few hours in the morning or at night, before or after the thick of the crowds, and we just do standby for whatever headliner or two we choose that day. But I cringe a bit when friends or relatives come down, and we want to show them everything, because I know I'm in for a ridiculously complicated and stressful visit.

I'm willing to remain open minded, but I honestly believe FP+ will only exacerbate the existing problems.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:16 PM   #97
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Here's another thought. Instead of park hopping, and standing in lines at one of the parks...why not stay onsite at Universal? Book your 3 FP+ for morning each day at Disney, then head back to Universal and use unlimited FOL for the rest of the day? Universal could turn out to be the biggest beneficiary of this whole mess...
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:26 PM   #98
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Here's another thought. Instead of park hopping, and standing in lines at one of the parks...why not stay onsite at Universal? Book your 3 FP+ for morning each day at Disney, then head back to Universal and use unlimited FOL for the rest of the day? Universal could turn out to be the biggest beneficiary of this whole mess...
Maybe this is why Disney wants everyone to buy DVC! It makes that option more difficult. And Disney is all about building more of those complexes. Polynesian next?
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