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Old 09-20-2012, 02:08 PM   #61
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I think it sounds a lot more hopeful with your last update. I was originally leery about the company with them changing the salary, but now the hiring manager appears to be just as upset with HR and the Area Manager's antics as your DH is. Of course your DH should continue to job hunt, but if the manager wants your DH, then he'll make it happen. Good luck!
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Old 09-20-2012, 02:11 PM   #62
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I completely agree. They would have not had time to do any sort of checks or references. They just offered by the seat of their pants? That wouldbe a huge red flag to me. Combining it with a salary switch? That would have completely made me turn it down. In this kind of job market a solid company take time to make hiring decisions.
With DBF's offer the new company cold called HIM, he wasn't looking but he was open to talk once they spoke on the phone. Apparently a client had recommended DBF, a client who is again his client at the new company. Anyway, the company he works for now called him and asked if he would be interested in applying, he said yes and that night we cleaned up his resume and sent it over, they called him the next day to set up an interview for the following week. DBF had asked them to not contact his current company because they were unaware he was applying but they did call his other references before the interview. At the interview they discussed salary etc and basically said he was going to be offered the position. They had already made their choice based on his references and his resume. He said he would have to discuss it with me and after we talked he counter-offered for a higher salary, which he received. He gave notice at his previous company and has been with the new company since May. The only difference with the OP's DH and my DBF was the face to face interview, it sounds like OP's DH had what the company was looking for and they are willing to hire without a face to face, not so uncommon in job markets.

OP good luck!! Again, I hope they come back with the salary you are both hoping for!
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:23 PM   #63
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when my DH was interviewing in FL (several years back) several times he got to the offer stage and and every time the salary was "tweaked".(we were beginning to wonder if it was a FL thing) Usually the salary ended up being met by combo pay/bonus. Well, since bonus is NOT technically salary, and the salary portions kept being a good 20+ grand less than DH was making, we felt as a career move the company either had to alter their way of paying or offer other incentives for us moving as well (like you, it was heartbreaking to not say yes) We didn't think it was the best career move for DH to lower his salary by that large of a cut and still be competitive in the workforce if the FL opportunity folded etc. Now what? He would have placed himself and his worth in another level that would have reflected questionably. Granted, FL is known for a bit of a salary difference but it osunds like what was re-presented to your DH was not marketable nor wise as a career move. That said, however, everyone's situation is different, but for my DH's age and level he is at in his field, taking such a large cut basically reflected poorly for his future (if that makes sense).
Hang in there, and it is always good to have activity and to have been chosen by the company even if it didn't pan out. There is hope!!!!!!
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:16 AM   #64
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Does he even want to work for a company that is pulling a bait and switch from the get-go? That would give me a HUGE pause. What if they keep changing things?
Agreed that seems pretty crappy that they did that to him. I hope they come up on the offer
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:43 AM   #65
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With all the hassle, DH has decided that he wouldn't even consider the job unless they came back up to the original advertised salary. It would have been a great opportunity but he has decided to basically forget about it and move on.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:35 AM   #66
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I'm sorry to hear that it doesn't seem to be working out. But from what you've said in your posts, I think your DH is making the right decision.
It was a good "dry run." I hope the next opportunity will be perfect for your family.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:05 AM   #67
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Bait and switch at its finest. I would strongly advise making sure your husband gets an offer letter in Writing spelling out every single detail. Every. Single. Detail. I have been burned before. Do not give notice at the current job until the offer letter is in hand.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:04 PM   #68
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With all the hassle, DH has decided that he wouldn't even consider the job unless they came back up to the original advertised salary. It would have been a great opportunity but he has decided to basically forget about it and move on.
Sorry to hear someone dropped the ball and caused DH to just move on with sending out resumes.

But like others said, and regardless of the call with the head of the office explaining what happened, I would have discouraged my DH to take the job or continue to negotiate a higher salary. Doesn't seem worth it to me if the left hand doesn't know (didn't know) what the right hand is doing (wants done). KWIM?

Good luck to your DH on finding something else!!
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:44 PM   #69
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Check out the website www.glassdoor.com

It has info from people who have interviewed with different companies. It also lists average job salaries, what it's like to work for the company, etc.

I hope it all works out for you guys!! It would be great to live so close to WDW!!!!!!
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:43 PM   #70
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Sorry for the letdown. Hopefully, you'll hear back from them, but if not, good luck with other options.
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:01 PM   #71
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Update: The interview went really well. They told him that he had all the qualifications they were looking for. They made him an offer at the end of the interview! They have great benefits and even said they would pay for relocation!
While this opportunity may have passed,
something to consider for the future is what they mean by "paying for relocation".

When DH's company relocated us, they paid for temp housing in the new city,
they worked with a relocation company to purchase our home at a fair market price
which they then sold at their leisure so that our family did not have to be separated while we waited for a house to sell,
and they paid for our moving expenses.

Honestly, if a company offered that kind of a package,
given how long it is taking for some homes to sell,
and families being separated for long periods of time waiting to be done and get settled in a new city,
a really good relocation package could be just as valuable as a higher salary.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:57 PM   #72
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With all the hassle, DH has decided that he wouldn't even consider the job unless they came back up to the original advertised salary. It would have been a great opportunity but he has decided to basically forget about it and move on.
When one door closes, a window opens.

Something better will come along. Until then, hang in there and good luck!
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:19 AM   #73
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No way would I consider working for that company.

That was pure bait and switch, not negotiating at all. Companies don't have to advertise a salary at all when they advertise positions. Most don't. That's story about the hiring manager changing their mind is BS.

They deliberately put down a higher figure than what they were willing to pay.
I know a little bit about some hiring practices. Companies don't always do this to bait and switch. Sometimes, a budget will have to be redone because a customer changes requirements or they bring in someone else for another job and reallocate funding.

It isn't always just lowballing for the sake of lowballing. Things happen and the company has to adjust.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:43 AM   #74
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I would be VERY hesitant to uproot my family for an job that was offered from a phone interview. I don't know any reputable companies that would offer someone a job without ever meeting the person!
My husband's current job was from a phone interview. Thy didn't meet him in person until after we had moved from the west coast to the east coast (at our expense) and bought a house. It is a huge cost saving measure for employers and I don't see a problem with it. Now the salary change would bother me a bit. Have they amended the original posting to reflect the new salary?
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My husband's current job was from a phone interview. Thy didn't meet him in person until after we had moved from the west coast to the east coast (at our expense) and bought a house. It is a huge cost saving measure for employers and I don't see a problem with it. Now the salary change would bother me a bit. Have they amended the original posting to reflect the new salary?
The issue is that its a lot of risk and all that risk is being put on you. If he gets there and they don't like him, they haven't invested much - and can let him go.

Companies who invest more time and money in hiring someone are trying to make a good long term decision - and have losses they need to cut if it doesn't work out. They have skin in the game. Your husband's company put in no skin - but you did. And maybe where you were, that was a good decision - if you have no current job (or are underemployed) and no local prospects, jumping at something even if its risky is better than sitting waiting.

I took a new job a year ago. It was local and from the time of the first interview to the job offer was four months and six interviews. One of my coworkers was a distant hire - he made two trips in before the offer. A friend got hired in California after flying out three times (the last time they flew the entire family) - all on the hiring company's dollar.
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