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Old 07-06-2014, 09:40 PM   #1
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What do you suppose the rationale is behind discontinuing popular entrees?

I understand that Disney wants to keep their menu fresh & updated, but I just can't figure out what their rationale is when they discontinue the most popular dishes on restaurant menus?

Kona's signature dish was their tuna oscar.....they eliminated it.

Jiko's signature dish was their filet with mac and cheese.....they changed it (though I've heard you can still get it on request)

Rose & Crown eliminated their potato leek soup

Le Cellier just changed their infamous mushroom filet

I just read that Cape May possibly eliminated their crab legs....really the main food that justified them calling it a new england seafood buffet

I just don't get it-isn't it just shooting themselves in the foot?

Just wondered, from a restaurant point of view, what is the rationale behind eliminating entrees that are the most popular amongst guests? Why not eliminate the least popular ones?
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Cape May eliminated the crab legs????
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:45 PM   #3
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Cape May eliminated the crab legs????
Here is the thread I was just reading where I got that info. Sounds like it's not definite, but definitely a possibility:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3299795
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:53 PM   #4
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Here is the thread I was just reading where I got that info. Sounds like it's not definite, but definitely a possibility: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3299795
Cape May is a big highlight is DH and DS's trip, because of the crab legs. That really stinks.
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:08 PM   #5
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I totally agree, it defies all reasonable logic!!

Let's see, I run a restaurant, and I have a best selling dish! Hmmmm......if I drop the dish and add something new, maybe cheaper to make, will they like that too? I don't think so!!! Bring back the Crab Legs!!!!!!
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:49 PM   #6
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What do you suppose the rationale is behind discontinuing popular entrees?

1) MONEY, and profit.
2) Why put the expensive stuff out, when DDP people will eat ANYTHING? *
3) As far as Cape May,
. . . the crab legs were small
. . . there was little meat
. . . people would "pig-out" on them
. . . they became unprofitable

* DDP, in our opinion, has become the opiate of the masses. People just seem
to order the most expensive things on the menu and believe it is "good food",
regardless of the actual quality. Sure, some DDP people are "foodies", but
most just want the expensive items. Even at that, in MOST cases, DDP is a
loss compared to paying OOP. Plus, in some cases, WDW has increased the
menu item price to justify the DDP (PRIME EXAMPLE: Mickey BBQ. It used to
be 1/2 the price of HDDR and is now the same price when using the DDP.
And, people fall for this !!!).
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:07 PM   #7
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According to a friend who runs a lovely restaurant here at home, there are 2 reasons to discontinue a popular item.
1. Lack of reliable availability.
2. Cost

Since I haven't read of a world wide shortage of tuna, beef, or crab legs, I'd have to assume this is another instance of corporate cost cutting. And I think Rusty is right. DDP can take a big share of the blame in the quality of the meals in the WDW restaurants.
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:57 PM   #8
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1) MONEY, and profit. 2) Why put the expensive stuff out, when DDP people will eat ANYTHING? * 3) As far as Cape May, . . . the crab legs were small . . . there was little meat . . . people would "pig-out" on them . . . they became unprofitable * DDP, in our opinion, has become the opiate of the masses. People just seem to order the most expensive things on the menu and believe it is "good food", regardless of the actual quality. Sure, some DDP people are "foodies", but most just want the expensive items. Even at that, in MOST cases, DDP is a loss compared to paying OOP. Plus, in some cases, WDW has increased the menu item price to justify the DDP (PRIME EXAMPLE: Mickey BBQ. It used to be 1/2 the price of HDDR and is now the same price when using the DDP. And, people fall for this !!!).
This guy said it perfectly. Kudos.
DDP & Free dining has deteriorated dining throughout WDW. It's sad (at least for me & my family).
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:19 AM   #9
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LeCellier

I'm still bitter that LeCellier dropped the 1 TS lunch, the cream cheese mashed potatoes and the burger. We used to go at least once, maybe twice every trip and have not been (and won't be back anytime soon) since they made the change.

Now Jiko...I have read you can still get the mac & cheese. We are staying at AKL and going to eat here just for the filet/mac & cheese. If we find out beforehand they stop serving it on request we will cancel.

Ohana...we used to love and while I still love the bread pudding, discontinuing the chicken was disappointing given they didn't add anything else (don't count the gross lettuce wraps). Luckily, since DH & I have a shellfish allergy and can't eat the shrimp, the chef cooked us 2 large chicken breasts so that we would have a 3rd protein. We are still debating dropping 'Ohana and ordering the dessert at the bar.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:49 AM   #10
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how to fix the DDP

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This guy said it perfectly. Kudos.
DDP & Free dining has deteriorated dining throughout WDW. It's sad (at least for me & my family).
Hello everyone, long time lurker, first time poster. I have to agree that the DDP has done harm to dining at Disney. Disney can do great food, just look at Victoria & Alberts which is truly amazing or head over to the Swan for a steak at Shula's.

I have always thought that Disney got it wrong when they started the DDP. Even now you just have to look at what you get for 1 TS credit. You can go for breakfast at Trails End for 1 credit or $17, or do dinner at Boma for $33 or 1 TS credit. If you are in Epcot you can go to Rose and Crown where the average meal is just over $40 (deluxe plan) for the same credit or head to Chef de France where the average meal is almost $50.

This is a huge gap in value for the customer of the DDP and with everyone trying to maximize their credit value I know I don't go out of my way to visit Trails End for breakfast when I could be dining at the GF for the same money.

From a restaurant point of view some are making great money with the DDP, others have to cut costs which might mean cutting some of the favorite dishes. It is not the way to run a restaurant or a business.

Look at what they have done with their park pass tickets. Buy one day and you are going broke. Buy a 10 day pass and the average cost is very reasonable. Buy for a year and you can go to Disney every day for the cost of a coffee and watch the tourists that just paid $100 for their one day pass to MK.

Disney could bring that same approach to the DDP and make it work for the consumer and the restaurants by using a point system for each restaurant. So a snack might be 1 to 3 points. Breakfast at Trials End would be 17 points, diner at Boma 33 points, Rose and Crown 40 points and finally Chef de France 50 points. Once at the restaurant the person can order off the menu just as the they would normally with the DDP.

What this would solve is issues of cost and quality as it would give a restaurant such as Cape May the ability to adjust their points based upon current food costs and consumption. If they let the quality slide the people won't see the value in the restaurant and won't go because for the XX number of points there will be a better one around the corner.

For the consumer Disney could sell the points in blocks with the more points you purchase per day of your trip the less it costs you per point. This would be value for Disney in that the more points people spend they will be spending them at higher priced restaurants. With higher priced wine and drinks to offset their lower margins for those customers.

The restaurants would only see the number of points used and not how much the individual paid for them so every customer would be treated the same.

Sorry for the rant on my first post but it is on my mind every time I read topics like this and the compliants about the DDP.
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:11 AM   #11
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Unless every person in your group always orders deserts and you never order alcohol or appetizers, the Tables in Wonderland program will usually save you more than the DDP.

The only drawback with that program is the person with the card has to be the person paying every time. If you have a large group that tends to split up during the day you either have to meet up with the person with the card assigned to them every time you want a meal or snack or not always use the discount or get multiple cards which diminishes the savings pretty quickly.
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:20 AM   #12
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I'm still bitter that LeCellier dropped the 1 TS lunch, the cream cheese mashed potatoes and the burger. We used to go at least once, maybe twice every trip and have not been (and won't be back anytime soon) since they made the change.

Now Jiko...I have read you can still get the mac & cheese. We are staying at AKL and going to eat here just for the filet/mac & cheese. If we find out beforehand they stop serving it on request we will cancel.

Ohana...we used to love and while I still love the bread pudding, discontinuing the chicken was disappointing given they didn't add anything else (don't count the gross lettuce wraps). Luckily, since DH & I have a shellfish allergy and can't eat the shrimp, the chef cooked us 2 large chicken breasts so that we would have a 3rd protein. We are still debating dropping 'Ohana and ordering the dessert at the bar.
I dropped our 'Ohana. We were huge chicken fans.. without that, I couldn't justify spending the money for the dinner. It's disappointing, and hopefully it will change.

As for Cape May, that's ridiculous. I hope the crab legs return. We're supposed to be having dinner there in 3 weeks but I'm canceling for something else because it's just not worth it without those in my opinion.
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On occasion restaurants will drop "signature menu items" when a new chef takes over. The new chef will add items that they have in their repertoire. Don't know how this applies to the crab legs, but does take into account things like the filet at LeCellier.

Doesn't happen strictly in WDW, i have gone to a favourite place in town and been disappointed when what i was dreaming of eating was no longer offered.

Hope those of you who are feeling frustrated by the fact that some of your "go-to" or "must eat" items no longer are available are able to find new things that tickle you fancy
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Cape May is a big highlight is DH and DS's trip, because of the crab legs. That really stinks.
Ours, too! It's my husband's favorite meal! I was frustrated to see the post about the crab legs being eliminated. We made reservations at about 150 days out and now every single restaurant we reserved has went through a menu change!
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On occasion restaurants will drop "signature menu items" when a new chef takes over. The new chef will add items that they have in their repertoire. Don't know how this applies to the crab legs, but does take into account things like the filet at LeCellier.
I agree! I'm probably just as cynical than the next person, but does everything have to be the result of cost cutting and DDP?

I don't think Le Cellier cut their costs by nixing the mushrooms in the risotto and adding spinach and bacon. I don't think Jiko cut their costs (couldn't have been by much if so), by cutting the mac and cheese in favor of polenta.

Could some of these decisions been due to creativity, authenticity or just a desire to keep things fresh?

P.S. I don't know what to say about eliminating the crab legs at Cape May. If they're going to do that, I would say they need to reinvent themselves altogether, because I always thought of it as "that all you can eat crab legs place".
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