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Old 02-27-2014, 08:22 PM   #31
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Whoa, wait a minute. Fast Pass is not simply a free perk. Disney is actively marketing the benefits of Fast Pass Plus in all of their current Print, Television and Social Media advertising. This "new and improved" edition of the Fast Pass is being marketed at the very same time they raised ticket prices. I would almost agree with your position where several years ago Fast Pass was available, but not a point of advertising, but now it is the center of advertising (to sell tickets) and thus is in no way a "free perk". When you tell me that my trip includes Fast Pass Plus, then it is now understood to be included in the purchase of my ticket...nothing free there. Disney is pushing it so Disney now owns it when it does not work as advertised and we (the consumer) have every right to complain. The fact is, to make the most of the system you most jump through many "preplanning hoops". It is not quite as simple as advertised, especially of you are a single day visitor. Disney is not giving "everyone a fast pass", we are paying for every single one of them via the most expensive tickets of any amusement park in existence.
Prices go up every year? FP+ or not. Universal is the same price to get on and you don't get front of line passes unless you pay more.

On a side note, easywdw just tweeted about a half hour ago that he just booked a fp for test track for 20 minutes out from his home cpmputer. Then cancelled it and booked for space mountain, big thunder mountain, & peter pan for tonight.
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The poster was asking about using a band from a previous resort stay to set up advance FP's later. You can't actually do this unless you have another stay booked.
Not entirely true. Those with MBs with APs attached can book up to 10 days of FP+ at any given time.
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Prices go up every year? FP+ or not. Universal is the same price to get on and you don't get front of line passes unless you pay more.

On a side note, easywdw just tweeted about a half hour ago that he just booked a fp for test track for 20 minutes out from his home cpmputer. Then cancelled it and booked for space mountain, big thunder mountain, & peter pan for tonight.
And? It's dead time of the year. Like to see them do the same 1st week of July.
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And? It's dead time of the year. Like to see them do the same 1st week of July.
He did something similar MLK weekend. That Saturday he did it was one of the 25 busiest days of the year.
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And? It's dead time of the year. Like to see them do the same 1st week of July.
Specifics will vary throughout the year as crowd levels change. However, the limit of 3 FP+ per day and the tiering at DHS and Epcot will help maintain flexibility the vast majority of the time.

Magic Kingdom has the largest crowds but also the greatest variety of rides. Families with younger kids may want Peter Pan, Dumbo and Ariel. Teens want to ride the mountains. More traditional theme park guests want POTC, HM and something else.

We are visiting MK twice on an upcoming trip so we have the mountains booked one day and the second visit attractions like Buzz, Jungle Cruise and a character meet.

Epcot uses the tiering to force guests to choose between Soarin, Test Track and Illuminations viewing. Same with Hollywood Studios and Toy Story Mania, RnR and Fantasmic.

Lastly Animal Kingdom has massive capacity in Kilimanjaro Safari and Everest, plus its collection of other rides and shows.

If Disney had allowed all guests to pre-book 4, 5 or 6 attractions per day--even worse, with no tiering--then we would definitely be running into issues with slots filled days or weeks in advance. Instead the daily cap and the tiering is preventing that from happening, preserving spontaneity.

Lines at the in-park kiosks are another matter entirely. Disney will have to figure out how to deal with that. Opening up the MDE site / app to all guests would help, but they'll still have thousands of guests every day who do no planning whatsoever.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:22 PM   #36
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Specifics will vary throughout the year as crowd levels change. However, the limit of 3 FP+ per day and the tiering at DHS and Epcot will help maintain flexibility the vast majority of the time.

Magic Kingdom has the largest crowds but also the greatest variety of rides. Families with younger kids may want Peter Pan, Dumbo and Ariel. Teens want to ride the mountains. More traditional theme park guests want POTC, HM and something else.

We are visiting MK twice on an upcoming trip so we have the mountains booked one day and the second visit attractions like Buzz, Jungle Cruise and a character meet.

Epcot uses the tiering to force guests to choose between Soarin, Test Track and Illuminations viewing. Same with Hollywood Studios and Toy Story Mania, RnR and Fantasmic.

Lastly Animal Kingdom has massive capacity in Kilimanjaro Safari and Everest, plus its collection of other rides and shows.

If Disney had allowed all guests to pre-book 4, 5 or 6 attractions per day--even worse, with no tiering--then we would definitely be running into issues with slots filled days or weeks in advance. Instead the daily cap and the tiering is preventing that from happening, preserving spontaneity.

Lines at the in-park kiosks are another matter entirely. Disney will have to figure out how to deal with that. Opening up the MDE site / app to all guests would help, but they'll still have thousands of guests every day who do no planning whatsoever.
Point taken.
I keep forgetting with 3 as the limit there would be more possibly floating around. I'm holding out hope this is all figured out before my trip in August to allow me to park hop and more than 3FP if there is available left in the pool
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We just got our date to choose our Fast Passes and let me say that my husband and I are not happy with the new system already!!! This changes the way we do disney parks, and it's not for the better. We park hop and going to different parks to ride the popular rides using paper fast passes was not ever a problem. At first I thought...ok...this wont be too bad, but having to schedule not only meals, but now fast passes for rides is not something that we find will make our experience any better while at Disney. HAving only THREE a day is just crazy. And they have to be in the same park? No. No. No. Why is Disney saying that I have to choose between certain rides (tears) and only get one of those rides per day? We were not gun ho fast pass getters, but did like the option to get to the park at opening and grab fast passes for Toy Story, Tower of Terror, etc, then get on the ride right away and use the fast pass to ride again later. CAnt do that anymore unless you schedule it early if that time is even available. What if you do not get to the park on time for your fast pass (you loose it basically). There is only a few minute window now!!! This does not bode well. Not at all! We will find out for sure in May, but im not impressed, and find my time and money will be a bit wasted not saved! This sounds like they tried to do a Disney for Dummies, but even the ones that need the extra hand will be losing in the long run.
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We just got our date to choose our Fast Passes and let me say that my husband and I are not happy with the new system already!!! This changes the way we do disney parks, and it's not for the better. We park hop and going to different parks to ride the popular rides using paper fast passes was not ever a problem. At first I thought...ok...this wont be too bad, but having to schedule not only meals, but now fast passes for rides is not something that we find will make our experience any better while at Disney. HAving only THREE a day is just crazy. And they have to be in the same park? No. No. No. Why is Disney saying that I have to choose between certain rides (tears) and only get one of those rides per day? We were not gun ho fast pass getters, but did like the option to get to the park at opening and grab fast passes for Toy Story, Tower of Terror, etc, then get on the ride right away and use the fast pass to ride again later. CAnt do that anymore unless you schedule it early if that time is even available. What if you do not get to the park on time for your fast pass (you loose it basically). There is only a few minute window now!!! This does not bode well. Not at all! We will find out for sure in May, but im not impressed, and find my time and money will be a bit wasted not saved! This sounds like they tried to do a Disney for Dummies, but even the ones that need the extra hand will be losing in the long run.
I hear everything you're saying...

But unfortunately...YES...the booking policy with the new my magic system is in fact meant to kill how you were accustomed to doing it.

It could be that they want to even it out...semi-noble I suppose...for equal access. But my hunch is that the continued jacking up of ticket media makes it absolutely necessary to quell complaints (I was there last week, got home, and sure enough...tickets were given another shot of price adrenaline on the 25th)

Or...to line up for pay per fastpass. Which is so likely Vegas won't take betting odds on it.
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Let's not forget that you don't HAVE to use the fast pass system. Some people simply choose to go through the parks at their own pace and don't worry about fast passes. So, first time visitors who won't catch on can still manage to have a great visit and just not worry about FP. If you're gonna stand in line an hour to schedule fast passes you could be standing in line at a popular ride. Just sayin'
Reports of the knock on effects of FP+ / the new system on the standy lines does not encouragingly support this statement, particularly in busier times. Unless of course you're going just to be there.

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And? It's dead time of the year. Like to see them do the same 1st week of July.
And with us being there over that week, perhaps I am letting myself get overly concerned, but working on the reports now while the parks are not at Independence Day week capacity and considering that FP+ is not presently pre-bookable for all guests, I am going to have to watch Easter week as a guide of what to possibly expect.
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I have had two experiences...


One during a dead week in November...one in an average trending towards busy week last week ending march 2...

I honestly haven't had any problems...but last week makes me wonder exactly what it is they were or were not thinking when they went ahead with this...

Both the "fastpass" lines and standbys were not very good in a busier park...which this time where magic and ironically animal kingdom...
The wait times where in the 30-60 minute range for not just the main rides...but alot of the older ancillary rides that really should not run wait times of that magnitude at that point on the calendar.

Listen...I don't go for the rides...so it doesn't much bother me...but the ride process appears trending towards completely inflexible...as dining had five years ago.

And they went ahead and started to mess with that again as well...when it had finally become tolerable again.
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I hear everything you're saying...

But unfortunately...YES...the booking policy with the new my magic system is in fact meant to kill how you were accustomed to doing it.

It could be that they want to even it out...semi-noble I suppose...for equal access. But my hunch is that the continued jacking up of ticket media makes it absolutely necessary to quell complaints (I was there last week, got home, and sure enough...tickets were given another shot of price adrenaline on the 25th)

Or...to line up for pay per fastpass. Which is so likely Vegas won't take betting odds on it.
When FP+ was first rolled out I predicted SB lines would have to increase and (like when Park Hopper became an extra cost instead of included) there will be some sort of "premium" option.

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Reports of the knock on effects of FP+ / the new system on the standy lines does not encouragingly support this statement, particularly in busier times. Unless of course you're going just to be there.



And with us being there over that week, perhaps I am letting myself get overly concerned, but working on the reports now while the parks are not at Independence Day week capacity and considering that FP+ is not presently pre-bookable for all guests, I am going to have to watch Easter week as a guide of what to possibly expect.
I'll let you know how Easter goes.

I predict the following:
1. SB lines for Soarin' start with a 60 wait at opening
2. we will end up Criss Crossing the park to use our other 2 FP's
3. We will end up only doing 3 attractions
4. Everything is so tighly scheduled I am unable to enjoy much of the entertainment in WS because I am running across the park to ride Spaceship Earth during my FP time. A ride a previously KNEW I could ride toward the end of the day with no wait regardless of crowd level.
5. My family will abandon me after the first time I watched Impressions de France. I usually watch it 3 times in a row I love it so much. Really, I loop through the gift shop and watch it again.

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I have had two experiences...


One during a dead week in November...one in an average trending towards busy week last week ending march 2...

I honestly haven't had any problems...but last week makes me wonder exactly what it is they were or were not thinking when they went ahead with this...

Both the "fastpass" lines and standbys were not very good in a busier park...which this time where magic and ironically animal kingdom...
The wait times where in the 30-60 minute range for not just the main rides...but alot of the older ancillary rides that really should not run wait times of that magnitude at that point on the calendar.

Listen...I don't go for the rides...so it doesn't much bother me...but the ride process appears trending towards completely inflexible...as dining had five years ago.

And they went ahead and started to mess with that again as well...when it had finally become tolerable again.
We don't just go to WDW just for the rides either but I think we've hit the other extreme. I don't mind at all wandering around for much of my trip not hitting headliners but I won't stomach doing that ALL of my trip.

My touch stone will be how full Impressions de France is over Easter I've watched it dozens of times and even at its busiest I've never seen it filled to capacity. Maybe I can watch it over and over but my family will not.
We have PAP's and go several times a year but if I don't get to do more than 3 attractions it becomes less appealing, I can go to New Orleans (which we also love) for the food and entertainment and better accomodations for less. Yes WDW is more than a Theme Park Vacation but they can't cut the Theme Park aspect down to so little.
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Yes WDW is more than a Theme Park Vacation but they can't cut the Theme Park aspect down to so little.
Iger and his Lts have been raping and pillaging the Orlando customers for 10 years...no breaks... Continued cost increases across the board...

I had started to layout a plan to renew our annuals last week...not a major undertaking... But still what amounts to $2,000 dollars (discounted)...

And then sure enough...they went another 3%

So I stopped that plan in its tracks... Honestly... That shouldn't be a big deal... But it's becoming aggravating to a point where I can't even explain it without going to a fourth dimension somehow

The point I'd that the masses are not behaving like me...it's simply "how much is it? Ok...it's a visa/Amex/discover..." And so on...just bad consumerism. Just out of hand
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Both the "fastpass" lines and standbys were not very good in a busier park...which this time where magic and ironically animal kingdom...
The wait times where in the 30-60 minute range for not just the main rides...but alot of the older ancillary rides that really should not run wait times of that magnitude at that point on the calendar.
The two primary complaints about FP+ seem to be:

1) Three FPs per day simply isn't enough. As in "I would get 2-3x that many with the old system!"
2) Standby lines are now much longer.

Problem is, I don't see how these two phenomena can mutually co-exist. Attraction capacities aren't changing--every ride or show can still accommodate the same number of guests per cycle / hour / day.

How can it be that guests are getting FEWER FPs (leaving more capacity for Standby riders), while Standby lines are simultaneously growing? It just doesn't compute.

That said, it does make sense that Standby lines would grow at attractions which are newly offering FP+. Things like Haunted Mansion and POTC formerly had 100% of their capacity servicing Standby...now it's some mix of Standby and FP+. But again the consensus seems to be that using a FP+ for POTC or HM is a poor choice. So how many people are really choosing those options?

It might be time to consider that spring break crowds are beginning to arrive (we have neighbors at WDW now), attendance is still strong and attraction wait times are under a microscope like never before.

Those romantic old visions of March walk-ons at POTC, HM and others may be out-of-touch with 2013/2014 WDW regardless of the FastPass system in place.
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to me they need more fast pass kiosks, especially if offsite guests are going to be forced to book with kiosk only. When we were there during the test I said that they clearly did not have enough fast pass kiosks. Not sure how many they have now but basically every single fastpass machine in all parks should now be kiosks. During the test they had extremely few kiosks per park. If there was more than one per park I couldn't find them and in some parks I couldn't even find the one. I am sure there are more now. The notion that everyone can use their phone as a kiosk is a bust to me. First of all it may only end up working for on site guests but more importantly not everyone wants to be staring at their phone the whole trip. I would rather not bring my phone to the parks at all. As for fast pass vs. standby wait times the change likely has to do with people not utilizing the fast pass system properly in the past because park attendance is about the same, ride capacity is about the same, therefore it is just a redistribution of people which should be easy enough for them to sort out by modifying fast pass availability and number of kiosks. Clearly they know the ebb and flow of peoples riding habits, make more fast passes available during the times when there are fewer people and less once the park gets busy to help redistribute riders to morning and away from afternoon for example
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The two primary complaints about FP+ seem to be:

1) Three FPs per day simply isn't enough. As in "I would get 2-3x that many with the old system!"
2) Standby lines are now much longer.

Problem is, I don't see how these two phenomena can mutually co-exist. Attraction capacities aren't changing--every ride or show can still accommodate the same number of guests per cycle / hour / day.

How can it be that guests are getting FEWER FPs (leaving more capacity for Standby riders), while Standby lines are simultaneously growing? It just doesn't compute.

That said, it does make sense that Standby lines would grow at attractions which are newly offering FP+. Things like Haunted Mansion and POTC formerly had 100% of their capacity servicing Standby...now it's some mix of Standby and FP+. But again the consensus seems to be that using a FP+ for POTC or HM is a poor choice. So how many people are really choosing those options?

It might be time to consider that spring break crowds are beginning to arrive (we have neighbors at WDW now), attendance is still strong and attraction wait times are under a microscope like never before.

Those romantic old visions of March walk-ons at POTC, HM and others may be out-of-touch with 2013/2014 WDW regardless of the FastPass system in place.
Sorry but this is wrong -- that may have been the case with FP- but it isn't the case with FP+ because the FP+ line has priority over SB on all rides. It isn't the fact that some people have pre-booked times on the rides that slows it all down, it's because as long as there are people in the FP+ line, the SB line cannot move.

And the way it is implemented on some rides makes it even worse. I've stated this example before, but it's good here too, so here goes. We had a FP for PoTC and used it when the posted SB line was 30 minutes (week BEFORE Pres Wknd -- I was like WHAT?!!!! it should have been 5 minutes -- but anyways). We were the only ones in the line, so guess what? We got the boat to ourselves -- 2 people. Shortly after our boat launched I looked back and another 4 people had got to the end of the FP line. They also got a boat to themselves. Out of a potential 48 riders, only 6 people got to ride. 42 empty seats while meanwhile the SB line did not move.

With FP-, the CMs used to draw riders from both lines. Not anymore...but consider them trying to change this now. People would be irate -- "are you kidding me? I had my time booked!!! You have to let me go first because I have FP+ for this ride." They can't change it and if they add more FPs per park, we could see situations where the SB line never moves.

Using a FP for PoTC or HM is a great choice if the SB line is 30 minutes (or actually indefinite, because you have no way of knowing how many people have FPs for that hour). We love those rides and they are on our must-do list. Time saved is time saved.
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