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Old 02-21-2014, 10:07 PM   #16
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Really?

I know that...but fastpass was designed to stunt the blow to the "in demand" rides. It didnt mess with all the others...
Now you have "mandatory" prebooked rides (because they make you take 3 automatically) that could throw the whole system out of whack. The lines - crowd control - take that into account. Don't be fooled.

Honestly, I'm sure there are many nuances to this and I don't pretend to know them all.
But 2 hour lines are an epic fail. That's not what they want...that's lost revenue
As someone earlier said, two hour wait times are attributed to park capacity, not because of the Fastpass system. President's Day weekend mixed with Valentine's Day mixed with the runs led to a very busy week in the park. The week before, Fastpass lines were short throughout the day, and so were wait times for parks.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:24 AM   #17
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How were the crowds/lines at the non-MK parks?
Sorry this is long but this was a weird experience today at Epcot.
I was searching the Boards tonight to explain what we have just experienced. Epcot was slow as in mid late September slow. We were shocked, but for us. This wasn't a really planned out trip for us, so we expected the place to be packed Presidents week, kids off from school and all the snow lately from we are from, I expected crazy.
The security check, the entrance, and GR all free flowing. Walk right up kind of thing we get in mid September I did FP last night for today and got into Sorin, Mission Space, and Crush for DS.
I asked several CMs and they had pretty much same reaction.
We are going to MK and HS this weekend and guess what, I just got FP for the three rides at each we wanted, again but yeah for us!
I wondered what was up, but the standby lines for MS and Sorin were at 50 and 60 mins. Again
No real crowds in park, with the exception of Elsa and Anna in Norway 3hour wait at one point, love them but not that much.
Are the FP really turning folks away?
I don't think you can stay off- property and get the FP+ option on your online account? So that is a lot of people that will be out, if this is true. Sad cause I don't think Walt really had that as part of his Vision.
The tix prices are also a concern. When we left Epcot tonight we saw the tix booths and estimate that without a discount the 3 day pass with hopper would cost us almost 900.00 ( just tix no discount - no resort stay). That would make it a no for last min. trip anymore.
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Old 02-22-2014, 04:38 AM   #18
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I agree after using the fast pass system that it is great for my family and the way we like to visit the parks. We know just wha to get fast passes for and what rides we don't need them for.

The thing I don't understand is all of the complaints about a free perk. Remember Disney doesn't have to give everyone fast passes. They choose to. Every other park I've ever been to has had the express passes. However these other parks either make you pay for the express pass or are only for resort guests. I for one am thankful that Disney thinks enough of its guests to allow everyone the opportunity to enjoy the use of these passes. No one says that they have to be used. So if you don't like it, don't use it. No skin of anyone's back. Just remember fast passes or no fast passes, you are in Disney world!!!!! Enjoy it, it's my happy place and I hope you like it too
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:04 AM   #19
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I agree after using the fast pass system that it is great for my family and the way we like to visit the parks. We know just wha to get fast passes for and what rides we don't need them for.

The thing I don't understand is all of the complaints about a free perk. Remember Disney doesn't have to give everyone fast passes. They choose to. Every other park I've ever been to has had the express passes. However these other parks either make you pay for the express pass or are only for resort guests. I for one am thankful that Disney thinks enough of its guests to allow everyone the opportunity to enjoy the use of these passes. No one says that they have to be used. So if you don't like it, don't use it. No skin of anyone's back. Just remember fast passes or no fast passes, you are in Disney world!!!!! Enjoy it, it's my happy place and I hope you like it too
The complaints come from folks comparing FP- and FP+. If you were a RDer, stay all day, grab FPs as the system allowed you too and grabbed them in more than one park FP+ is a lesser experience. Folks aren't comparing to other theme parks or WDW before FP-. They are comparing how they tour now with FP+ with how they toured with FP-. If you are a person that goes during slow times and didn't use FP-, you probably have no complaints. There is actually a plus in FP+. Personally for my next trip when I take my sis and her family on their only trip to the world, I would happily pay for an express pass. Why? B/c like I said it is a one and done and I want my nieces and nephews to be able to experience all the rides maybe even some more than once without having to stand in a bunch of lines.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:19 AM   #20
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If you have an account setup, can you link the band that you get as an off-site or single day (or even three day as in the example above) up to it and avoid the kiosks?

As an example, say I go to Orlando for a business trip, decide to buy a 3 day ticket... could I then just link that to my account, and once I get in the park, use my smartphone to choose the FP+?

If not, I imagine that will be coming sooner rather than later.
Yes. You can choose to set up FP+ on your smart phone or computer through my Disney experience well before you even arrive at WDW. Everything is supposed to be linked together on your magic band same as dinner reservations and park tickets.

My advice to anyone who can is to utilize this feature and avoid the kiosks at all costs... I know I intend to.
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Old 02-24-2014, 02:39 PM   #21
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I agree after using the fast pass system that it is great for my family and the way we like to visit the parks. We know just wha to get fast passes for and what rides we don't need them for.

The thing I don't understand is all of the complaints about a free perk. Remember Disney doesn't have to give everyone fast passes. They choose to. Every other park I've ever been to has had the express passes. However these other parks either make you pay for the express pass or are only for resort guests. I for one am thankful that Disney thinks enough of its guests to allow everyone the opportunity to enjoy the use of these passes. No one says that they have to be used. So if you don't like it, don't use it. No skin of anyone's back. Just remember fast passes or no fast passes, you are in Disney world!!!!! Enjoy it, it's my happy place and I hope you like it too
Whoa, wait a minute. Fast Pass is not simply a free perk. Disney is actively marketing the benefits of Fast Pass Plus in all of their current Print, Television and Social Media advertising. This "new and improved" edition of the Fast Pass is being marketed at the very same time they raised ticket prices. I would almost agree with your position where several years ago Fast Pass was available, but not a point of advertising, but now it is the center of advertising (to sell tickets) and thus is in no way a "free perk". When you tell me that my trip includes Fast Pass Plus, then it is now understood to be included in the purchase of my ticket...nothing free there. Disney is pushing it so Disney now owns it when it does not work as advertised and we (the consumer) have every right to complain. The fact is, to make the most of the system you most jump through many "preplanning hoops". It is not quite as simple as advertised, especially of you are a single day visitor. Disney is not giving "everyone a fast pass", we are paying for every single one of them via the most expensive tickets of any amusement park in existence.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:21 PM   #22
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Actually ride capacity has dropped at Epcot. Sad but true.

This is interesting. Thanks for the report.
FP has never effected ride capacity.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:15 PM   #23
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No amusement park would ever do this! Oh wait!!! Universal already does this. Same with Sea world!
I see so you are from the school that says it is OK because others have done it too. ....
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How is FP+ going to affect SB rides of the B team rides is what I'm wondering?

Take Spaceship Earth for example, we love it but know to wait until late in the afternoon to ride it, after the crowds have moved into the park. Even busy days SE is a walk on after 7PM when most of FW closes.

Is FP+ going to redistribute the SB line to later in the afternoon? Would people that would never have waited the 60 minutes now ride because you have to take three FP+'s so you might as

I've been to the parks enough times that no ride is worth a 60 minute wait anymore and I wonder if now even rides that were walk on's certain times of day will now have longer lines.

My worry is that we will be in the parks with our three FP+'s and look around and find nothing that we are willing to wait 60 minutes to ride.
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Actually ride capacity has dropped at Epcot. Sad but true.

This is interesting. Thanks for the report.

Could you please explain how ride capacity dropped?
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Could you please explain how ride capacity dropped?
The attractions at the Wonders of Life disappeared for one thing. You could argue that some other attractions aren't worth seeing any more and therefore don't really help disperse the crowds but that is of course subjective.
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Great report. I agree you have to be a veteran to use this system properly. With FP- people could find a ride and if they thought the wait was too long they could pull a FP right there. No need to find a kiosk, no need to know which ones to ask for.

This is what we experienced Pres Wknd too. The crowds were no higher than previous years but the wait times for even stupid things were ridiculous -- esp the queue to get into the FP return queue. Throughout our trip that queue was rarely long enough for all of the people in it at BTMRR and some others.

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The amount of people in line fortune rides is a result of park attendance and not FP+. FP or per-FP, the ride capacity is still the same.
The actual ride capacity may be the same, but the line capacity is not -- many rides that didn't have FP before had their queues split. It slows down the process of loading the ride and since FP+ holders have priority no matter how many people are waiting in SB, the SB lines back up pretty fast.

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How is FP+ going to affect SB rides of the B team rides is what I'm wondering?

Take Spaceship Earth for example, we love it but know to wait until late in the afternoon to ride it, after the crowds have moved into the park. Even busy days SE is a walk on after 7PM when most of FW closes.

Is FP+ going to redistribute the SB line to later in the afternoon? Would people that would never have waited the 60 minutes now ride because you have to take three FP+'s so you might as

I've been to the parks enough times that no ride is worth a 60 minute wait anymore and I wonder if now even rides that were walk on's certain times of day will now have longer lines.

My worry is that we will be in the parks with our three FP+'s and look around and find nothing that we are willing to wait 60 minutes to ride.
In my experience the SB line started backing up at park opening, since people had FP+ for even the 9-10 window on pretty much every ride I saw. But the FP+ lines got much longer after a while too, since the bands don't work as well as they're supposed to. While it's only a few seconds more for each person (sometimes a minute or more if it isn't working well at all) that adds up after a while.

With all of that said, I can't believe the number of people on these boards that still insist that everything about FP+ is great and is great for everybody. Yes, it's a great concept but they are having real issues now that it is in all of the parks and FP- is gone. It's not the low crowd season of January anymore. There were a couple of times during our trip that the entire system went down and nobody could book anything, even by phone. And let's not even get started on the wifi -- don't plan to make changes on your phone while in the parks unless you have a data plan. Lots of people will have to work with what they have booked or just skip their FP.
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Whoa, wait a minute. Fast Pass is not simply a free perk. Disney is actively marketing the benefits of Fast Pass Plus in all of their current Print, Television and Social Media advertising. This "new and improved" edition of the Fast Pass is being marketed at the very same time they raised ticket prices. I would almost agree with your position where several years ago Fast Pass was available, but not a point of advertising, but now it is the center of advertising (to sell tickets) and thus is in no way a "free perk". When you tell me that my trip includes Fast Pass Plus, then it is now understood to be included in the purchase of my ticket...nothing free there. Disney is pushing it so Disney now owns it when it does not work as advertised and we (the consumer) have every right to complain. The fact is, to make the most of the system you most jump through many "preplanning hoops". It is not quite as simple as advertised, especially of you are a single day visitor. Disney is not giving "everyone a fast pass", we are paying for every single one of them via the most expensive tickets of any amusement park in existence.
Prices go up every year, FP+ or not. Universal is the same price to get on and you don't get front of line passes unless you pay more.

On a side note, easywdw just tweeted about a half hour ago that he just booked a fp for test track for 20 minutes out from his home cpmputer. Then cancelled it and booked for space mountain, big thunder mountain, & peter pan for tonight.
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Yes. You can choose to set up FP+ on your smart phone or computer through my Disney experience well before you even arrive at WDW. Everything is supposed to be linked together on your magic band same as dinner reservations and park tickets.

My advice to anyone who can is to utilize this feature and avoid the kiosks at all costs... I know I intend to.
The poster was asking about using a band from a previous resort stay to set up advance FP's later. You can't actually do this unless you have another stay booked.

And to answer their question, having a band isn't what allows you to book in advance. International guests don't even get theirs until check-in. You need an MDE account, a resort reservation and tickets linked to your account. AP holders are just now getting the option to book some FP's in advance.

Nothing is actually on your MB -- it's just a way to access the information in your MDE account.
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