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Old 11-02-2013, 08:54 PM   #16
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Where exactly do you live in Canada where you're paying $150/mth in cell phone bills?? I'm in Ontario, and I have an iPhone through Bell and pay $40/mth. It's my only phone as I was paying $35 for my landline! I don't think having a cell phone is indicative of not needing assistance. Now, the ones who come into my government office to pick up their monthly cheques, wearing designer jeans, shoes, etc and carrying Coach bags...maybe.
Also in Ontario. Paying $160 a month for 3 phones (2 of them Iphones, one a Samsung.) Nobody pays $150 a month for an Iphone.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:08 PM   #17
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There are several prepaid cell services in Canada just as there are in the US.

HowardForums.com has many listed.

http://www.howardforums.com/forumdis...VNO-Discussion

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I live in Canada where cell phone service ($150 a month minimum) and cigarettes ($90 a carton) are very expensive.

I believe the people who really need the help often don't get the food and the others are using the local food bank to allow them spending money for their vices.

Last year on the news there was video of families lined up for their turkey and toy basket for Christmas. I noticed as did my coworkers that everyone in the shot had a phone in their hand.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:09 PM   #18
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Also in Ontario. Paying $160 a month for 3 phones (2 of them Iphones, one a Samsung.) Nobody pays $150 a month for an Iphone.

Southern Ontario here
Oh My
Guess I'm cheap or shall we say frugal
I have a pay as you go old flip phone.
Maybe $35.00 a month, but it does the job.
Many of my friends and family have cancelled their home phones and replaced them with a cell phones,
I'm sure they pay more than me.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:17 PM   #19
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But why does that bug you so much? We've had cellphones as our only phone since '02, way before we could truly afford them, and it's because our landline service was costing stupid amounts of money, was always being charged erroneously, and wasn't helpful when away from the home (obviously). Nowadays it's how many people have internet, which is helpful in many ways, even to those without enough money.
Exactly. My cell phone service costs $35 for an unlimited plan; my landline costs $30 plus per-minute charges for any number out of our immediate area, and when I say immediate I mean just that - 10-15min in any direction is far enough to be a "zone call", so even calling around on jobs or (for the poor) on social services/charitable resources within our own county incurs those charges. And there are cheaper cell phones than mine. There aren't cheaper landline options in this area. Someone on a very tight budget would be better off with the cell phone.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:21 PM   #20
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Thank you, OP, for the reminder! When I first saw the title of the thread, I felt my blood pressure begin to rise...as a social worker, I see people who are struggling on a daily basis. And while there may be some abuse, I can honestly say that my twenty-plus years of experience in the field tells me that it is few and far between.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:52 PM   #21
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But why does that bug you so much? We've had cellphones as our only phone since '02, way before we could truly afford them, and it's because our landline service was costing stupid amounts of money, was always being charged erroneously, and wasn't helpful when away from the home (obviously). Nowadays it's how many people have internet, which is helpful in many ways, even to those without enough money.


But hey, I grew up in a home where the dad left and almost never paid child support, it was just my mom working her fingers to the bone to help us, and she did her best. She did go on food stamps (I don't remember if there were food banks then, or in our area) and some form of welfare. And she did smoke because she was *addicted*, it was an addiction that started when she was 15, she was able to quit during her pregnancies but then she went back to it, and despite many tries she was never successful in quitting until she was 35 (and I was 10 and we had been off food stamps for a few years) and nearly died of an asthma attack. So she had groceries and cigarettes on the belt. She also had dog food. Because she had two big sled dogs from earlier in her life, and she wasn't willing to give them away or kill them during our personal economic downturn. She also wasn't working; figured that staying home with us for a couple years was good for us (she made a good decision there).

Whenever I read judgment of people who are getting aid of some kind, I think of us, and how absolutely bonafide my mom's reasons were for getting assistance, and I think "that person judging would have thought that the family I grew up in was doing something wrong", even though my mom was doing the absolute best she could, trying to make up for the decisions she made as a teen (smoking at 15, marrying at 17).
Not to make light of the situation you grew up in but a situation where an able bodied adult CHOOSES to stay at home and not work for a few years when they are perfectly capable of it but choose to let tax payers foot the bill for their life all the while continuing to buy cigarettes is not what I would call doing the best you can.

This is why we have such a system of abuse and ppl using welfare as a lifestyle choice instead of a hand up. If you are capable of working, and you don't work, and take government assistance, you are part of the very big problem.
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:01 PM   #22
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The local food bank gets my support and more important my time once a month.

I have seen people that live near me come in no questions asked to receive couple bags of the basics.

I have also seen over the years very long term lifer welfare scamers.

Seen people throw rice and beans and cans in the trash after leaving pick up area. (ugh)

I personally turned people away with kids, its hard and heart breaking.

People come from all income levels.

from no car to hummer.

Its not my job to judge them while im working there, its my job to pack bags, hand out bags or make them fill out little info we do collect.

smile, be pleasant, hope that im helping to feed child that i was.

food banks aren't snap or welfare its true charity at grassroots level if run by true local group.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:53 AM   #23
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:35 AM   #24
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My 8 year old cub scout and I spent 2 hours distributing bags around my neighborhood for Scouting for Food. Next week we will go back and pick up the donations. I hope we have a lot. One elderly man handed us a full bag yesterday as we walked around. It was full of candy, which we can't turn in. So tomorrow I'm taking it to the local dentist to get $1 per pound and with the money, I will buy more food for donation.

I'm proud of my son for doing the program yesterday as he has never "wanted" for food and doesn't know what it's like. Love the original message on this post. Thank you.
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:06 AM   #25
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I grew up in a family of 7 where only one parent worked. My Dad worked his fingers to the bone to provide everything he could for us. We never used PA. I can remember every holiday season he would put in as much overtime as possible. My mom clipped coupons, we never ate out, and we only had as much as we could afford. We didn't do family vacations, wore designer clothes, even have cable. I'm sure my family could have qualified for PA but my parents had enough pride and sense not to go beyond their means.

I fully support PA for those who need. I can understand needing a little help getting over the hump. It takes a lot of self discipline and effort to make it on barely enough. I wish I did help out more but I cannot cannot stand people taking advantage of me. I try to help out wherever I can but I have seen many times over people taking advantage of the system. People who have more than I had growing up yet still looking for help. I wish more was done to protect the system from people taking advantage. I think more people would be happy and willing to help out if there were less instances of people scamming the system. I don't think anyone would allow someone they know honestly needs help starve or be without.
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:20 AM   #26
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Your view is better than mine, it sounds like the individuals at your area food bank need the help.

I drive by a bus stop that is located in front of the food bank in my city. I drive by every weekday. I see adults in their 20s, and 30s who have their food bank bags on the floor of the bus shelter because they are always texting on their phone with one hand and have a cigarette in the other.

I live in Canada where cell phone service ($150 a month minimum) and cigarettes ($90 a carton) are very expensive.


I believe the people who really need the help often don't get the food and the others are using the local food bank to allow them spending money for their vices.

Last year on the news there was video of families lined up for their turkey and toy basket for Christmas. I noticed as did my coworkers that everyone in the shot had a phone in their hand.
I live in Canada too, and in my job many of the clients are in receipt of social assistance.Yet they all have Iphones (not just a pay as you go, cheap phone for emergencies/job searching, but a better one than me!), top notch clothes, and in some cases, better vehicles. Disgusting.
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Thank you, OP, for the reminder! When I first saw the title of the thread, I felt my blood pressure begin to rise...as a social worker, I see people who are struggling on a daily basis. And while there may be some abuse, I can honestly say that my twenty-plus years of experience in the field tells me that it is few and far between.
I too saw the title and my eyes turned red. So glad I read the whole thing. I normally don't get involved in these postings because there are so many people that are so judgmental(I guess it makes them feel better about their situation). I volunteer with several organization and see true need all the time. I would never begrudge bread for a needy family because one day I saw ONE idiot doing something wrong with the assistance.
For those who see folks on assistance with cell phones and are pissed, you are behind the times. In today's world you NEED a phone to get a call from a job or your kids school. Cell phones are just cheaper and more accessible than a stationary house phone.
The bottom line. Leave all your preconceived notions about those needing assistance out of this. And if you are blessed to give PLEASE do.
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:36 AM   #28
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I always get a kick out of these threads because both sides are right, there are very needy people and there are also people gaming the system.

A few years ago I volunteered with a friend whose church (Dream Center of Las Vegas) has a huge Thanksgiving festival in one the poorest parts of Las Vegas, to this day it ranks as one of the best and worst days of my life. It was an amazing experience because there were barbers, they set up portable shower tents, there were several semi trailers of donated clothes, health products, toys, and school supplies, there is a street carnival with bounce houses and little kid rides, tons of bagged food, and then there is a huge outdoor thanksgiving dinner. Lots of smiles and lots of tears of joy. It was a terrible experience because I wasn't prepared for just how bad off many of the people who came were. There were people who didn't have shoes or whose shoes were full of holes, there were people who hadn't had a shower in weeks, there were little kids with clothes that were filthy and torn, there were people who hadn't had a hair cut in years. These are people who truly need help.

On the other hand I've also seen my share of fraud, or at least what appears to be blatant fraud. The most memorable for me was standing behind a lady with an overflowing cart of food at the grocery store who paid with an EBT card, I know she used an EBT card because it was a couple hundred dollars worth of food and whatever didn't qualify got set aside so she could pay cash for it, in the parking lot I saw her loading all that food into a new Escalade, I have a pretty nice car but loading my groceries, that I work my butt off for, into my 6 year old $25k (when new) car while she loaded up her "free groceries" into her new $70k luxury SUV made me want to scream. These are the people that ruin it for the truly needy.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:05 AM   #29
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I just wanted to add that sometimes appearances aren't what they seem. We are a foster family. When we have infants we take wic or other public assistance for the child mainly because formula is expensive! Once they are on table food, we drop it because you have to go to monthly visits with the wic office where they lecture you with outdated medical information. It's a waste of time and at that point the amt of money spent On the kids food is small. So you may see me in line paying for some stuff with public assistance, some with my debit card and yes I drive a nice, relatively new cross over and wear nice but not designer clothes, but it doesn't make me a deadbeat. I've even purchased steak and store made baked goods. One of the other mothers in my area was followed to her car a harassed about taking money she didn't deserve etc because like me she paid part pa and part cash and had a nice car and the person who followed her didn't like that.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:07 AM   #30
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I have to say that I agree totally with both sides. The abuse is absolutely disgusting to me and makes me furious. Furious because those losers abusing the system wreck it for those who truly need the help.

With that in mind, I will still donate because even if my donation helps one family in need it is more than worth it. As for those who abuse the system? Well I also believe what goes around, comes around. They will get theirs in the end.

So donate! Even if you help one other person, it is so important!!!
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