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Old 10-21-2013, 11:27 AM   #16
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The amount of people currently testing is nothing compared to how many people will be using it next year at this time.

Yes, now, in testing moving times is generally easier. Availability isn't that much of an issue. That, is not the reality of what this system will be like.

Anyone thinking they'll be able to move their 10:20 FP+ for Toy Story to 5:45 on the same day is not thinking very realistically.

Oh, no doubt. It just has to be realized what you tested is not what will be in place when testing is completed and FP- is removed altogether.
You can't move your TSM time same day very successfully now. You are going to have to make a plan and stick to it when this is fully rolled out. It's pretty cruddy and unlike the ADR system there is no way to cancel a FP+ that you aren't going to be able to make it to so there will be tons of unused slots that other ppl want but can't get.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:28 AM   #17
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The amount of people currently testing is nothing compared to how many people will be using it next year at this time. Yes, now, in testing moving times is generally easier. Availability isn't that much of an issue. That, is not the reality of what this system will be like. Anyone thinking they'll be able to move their 10:20 FP+ for Toy Story to 5:45 on the same day is not thinking very realistically. Oh, no doubt. It just has to be realized what you tested is not what will be in place when testing is completed and FP- is removed altogether.
I meant w/o * I don't know why my auto correct changed the o to an I

I was just saying I didn't test or use FP and was fine. I don't know what's happening now but saying people are hypocrites is a bit much. Everyones a hypocrite in some way or another it's human nature. That word shouldn't be tossed around. Instead of saying hypocrite the word ignorant should be used. It's much more verbally correct. Just my opinion. No offense to anyone.

Anyone who comes and complains is ignorant or they just don't like it but by trying to find a way to make it better for them doesn't mean they are awful ppl.

Toy story will always be a different story. Always. Not a good example.

And no one even me will know exactly what will happen once old FP is gone.

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Old 10-21-2013, 11:29 AM   #18
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I'm no apologist, but I just don't see why people are making mountains out of molehills.. You don't NEED to preplan.. you can use MDE or a kiosk at the parks and reserve a FP+ while there. It's not forcing you to do anything 60 days out.. It's just available 60 days out.
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No offense, but I cannot wait till is gets fully rolled out because my trip is before they fully rolled it out and I cannot change my plans now. So when I pay a lot of money for something I will get peeved. I will probably not be able to afford to go to disney for another 5 years...
None taken, and none meant in return. Since your trip is before the full roll out then just take a deep breath and go with the flow. What else are you going to do? Getting all worked up about it will only affect you, your family and your vacation. The system is what it is, it is the way we choose to deal with it that is causing the problems. Learn all you can, make the most of it and have a great time. That's what I plan to do on my trip next week.
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How many posts will it take before someone says, "Well, just don't go"?
OP.... I think you SHOULD go! Before you blast a system that you haven't experienced, see how the "crap fastpass+ system" really works. Check out how many people are actually double and triple dipping. You might be surprised at what you find out. Maybe you'll discover that it's not so bad, or you actually like the system.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:41 AM   #21
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While I haven't yet had the chance to try the new system, will be there in November, I can say that for my family I think it will work to our advantage. It just flows well with the way we do WDW already.

First of all we usually know which park we will be in on each day based on our ADRs and since we don't typically park hop. We are not rope drop people, we actually enjoy sleeping in a bit on vacation, so this will allow us better access to get that Soarin or TSM FP that we sometimes miss out on by not being at the parks at rope drop.

I'll withhold judgment until the system is fully implemented and I've had the chance to actually try it.
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I'm no apologist, but I just don't see why people are making mountains out of molehills.. You don't NEED to preplan.. you can use MDE or a kiosk at the parks and reserve a FP+ while there. It's not forcing you to do anything 60 days out.. It's just available 60 days out.
Fastpasses have been running out for popular attractions halfway through the morning lately; I woudn't advise anyone to try this strategy unless they plan to fastpass all secondary rides and shows.
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OP.... I think you SHOULD go! Before you blast a system that you haven't experienced, see how the "crap fastpass+ system" really works. Check out how many people are actually double and triple dipping. You might be surprised at what you find out. Maybe you'll discover that it's not so bad, or you actually like the system.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:43 AM   #24
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OP.... I think you SHOULD go! Before you blast a system that you haven't experienced, see how the "crap fastpass+ system" really works. Check out how many people are actually double and triple dipping. You might be surprised at what you find out. Maybe you'll discover that it's not so bad, or you actually like the system.
I agree. I went in August and was invited to be part of the test. There were very little people using the MB at that time, it does seem things have changed. We were invited and didn't try to scam the system we only used KTTW once to get a sooner FP because my son became ill. I am not a scammer of the system and in fact we were screwed out of alot of things because of a plane delay and a maid at the hotel I digress. As far as the reservations, I have always only booked on reservation at a time. My son got sick and I had to cancel our Rose and Crown reservation. I cancelled it same day because of his illness and now if we go back I will be penalized for doing that. For the people who do follow the rules I do find it unfair.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:44 AM   #25
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I admit to being a little nervous about FP+ and how it will affect our trip in late February. There are a lot of unknown and Disney seems to e having some growing pains with it. I'm a big technology person, so I'm happy to give them the time they need to figure it out, but, of course I don't want it to negatively impact my trip.

I really don't see how, mathematically, FP+ is artificially reducing the FP pool. If Disney gives out 100 fast passes per ride per day, and 50 are prefilled, and they only distribute 50 in the park, it's still 100 passes. Also, if I think that Space Mountain is a must do, I was always going to draw from that 100 pass pool. The ability to double dip IS a problem, but chances are good those people were going to get more than the 3 fast passes anyhow. The long return times are based on those 50 people pulling their passes first. I'm sure, mathematically, that nothing much has changed in the numbers, but in end user experience.

While Disney transitions, double dipping is an option, but I'm sure that will all shut down when Disney gets it all together. I'm trying to have faith. However, if you're unhappy with your experience in the park, be sure to talk to guest services. How else will they know? And, lastly, I do vote with my money. If Disney makes me unhappy this trip, my 2016 trip may end up canceled or scaled back to avoid giving Disney less of my money. That's the most effective way to send a message.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:48 AM   #26
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We used MB/FP+ in September. Granted, the number of people using it wasn't the same as it is now, but we thoroughly enjoyed it. We did not end up pulling extra regular fastpasses, although I would have thought before we left that we might have done so. Although it certainly seems as if the full-scale testing is taxing the system right now, I can honestly say I am looking forward to using FP+ again.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:50 AM   #27
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"Double dipping" is neither scamming the system or unfair.

The small percentage of testers does not affect the massive amount of park visitors. This should not affect anyone else's experience at all. In fCe, many people really like it.

There is so much energy from those who feel like HAVE NOTS because they aren't testers. Just enjoy your vacation. You are spending a ton of hard earned money to have fun. I think if all this negativity can be redirected life would be so much easier for you. Think FUN!!!
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:51 AM   #28
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I think it's taking a lot of the spontaneity and FUN out of the trip.

Yeah, we don't HAVE to decide what time we want to ride what ride 60 days out, but if we don't, we run the risk of not being able to ride it at all. Especially once the old system is completely gone. I liked deciding what park I wanted to go to ON THAT DAY--taking weather into consideration, etc--and getting paper FP when we entered the park.

But when the paper is gone and all that's left is kiosks...there will be no same day FPs. Mark my words. If people can reserve them 60 days out, there will be NOTHING available on the kiosks the day you walk into the park. Same as what happened with table service restaurants. People will run to reserve ahead of time so they don't miss out. And there will be nothing left for people who don't want to plan every second of their trip months ahead of time.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:51 AM   #29
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Many people including myself are not happy with this FP + mess. I have been going to WDW almost annually for 30 years or so. Most of those trips have been in the "slower" seasons and I have never once did a rope drop or have I planned what my schedule was for the day. We have always been able to do basically everything we wanted to do, we worked around the crowd and used our FP when they came into effect.


This FP + system is a joke. I don't want to plan on when I'm going to eat and when I'm going to ride this ride or that 3/4/5/6 months out. That's utterly ridiculous. Now you can't even go to the Park and get a FP because they are all gone early in the day because most are taken up by these people getting them in advance. And forget about getting in a stand by line now for the big attractions. And a good part of this is not only because of the crap FP + system but from the people on this board that are scamming the system and double and triple dipping with all these FP's. People complain about the crowds on this board but then they're quick to point out how they got triple the FPs they should have because they used their Magic Band, Their KTTK card and their old room key. Ridiculous.

I agree with Disney charging people who don't show up for Dining Reservations, in fact they should charge them the price of the minimum meal X number of guests the reservation is for. If they catch you in the system with more FPs than the permitted amount, you should have your FP privileges revoked for your entire length of admission.
Personally, I think the biggest annoyance is people who complain and talk about how crappy something is before they've experienced it for themselves. Sure, the experiences other people post are helpful when planning and when evaluating something, but until I use FP+ the way I tour, I have no real way of knowing how it works for ME. I know how it works for this DISer or that DISer, but they're not me.

There are people here who have reported that FP+ worked just fine for them ... there are even fans of the system, who have used it and can't wait to use it again. I get that it's more fun and more human nature to read the negatives as validation and ignore the positives as anomalies, but the sample size here on the DIS is so minutely tiny that I can't imagine someone assuming the things posted here are representative of the system as a whole.

I do agree with someone upthread, though ... while it may seem cliché to say, "Well ... just don't go then!", it really is the only option. It's not like Disney's going to not roll out the rest of FP+. If it's something that someone is opposed to before they've even tried it, then choosing a vacation destination that doesn't have you stressed and angry before you've even left might make for a much better overall vacation experience.

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Fastpasses have been running out for popular attractions halfway through the morning lately; I woudn't advise anyone to try this strategy unless they plan to fastpass all secondary rides and shows.
is that reported for just FP-? Has this been confirmed the same with reserving FP+?
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