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Old 10-21-2013, 10:21 AM   #16
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It's just a glitch.

It better stop glitching before I get there in November.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:21 AM   #17
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Ick, the Soarin wait time is now 100 minutes with no FPs left. TT is an 80 minute wait with FP return time of 8:25-9:00pm. That is awful.
When I walked past TT at 9:45ish FP return was 8:05-9:00. If this is the best park I'd hate to see the worst one!
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:23 AM   #18
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I will say, LWTL was a walk-on
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:23 AM   #19
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When I walked past TT at 9:45ish FP return was 8:05-9:00. If this is the best park I'd hate to see the worst one!
Right? I feel really bad for you. I would not be a happy camper right now.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:31 AM   #20
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You are on vacation. You are not allowed to complain. Walt doesn't owe you any rides. You can have some free Beverly. (Wait till they FP+ that!)

Seriously, I'm sorry. This stinks.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:33 AM   #21
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You are on vacation. You are not allowed to complain. Walt doesn't owe you any rides. You can have some free Beverly. (Wait till they FP+ that!)

Seriously, I'm sorry. This stinks.
I heard this is a good way to learn about disappointment Because we don't learn about that enough in real life. Kidding, kidding.

Yeah, sorry to everyone there. Looks like this isn't a Columbus Day glitch anymore...
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:42 AM   #22
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Mmm... Beverly!
Now we're waiting for The Seas, the standby line is out past the monorail track.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:42 AM   #23
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Just trying to understand here--

So, people having advanced fast passes is making the return times later, is that right? Wouldn't all those people that have fp+ still have gotten to Epcot this morning to get a regular fast pass?

I am not sure I am understanding how fp+ is affecting the stand by line.

Are the crowds larger right now? Wouldn't that be the fault of the deals such as free dining?

Those sound like some of the return times during Thanksgiving week (which is why we don't use it that much) and 20 minutes isn't that long so I am just curious if it is the number of people in the park.

You have ever right to complain or be disappointed if its not what you thought but I just wonder what exactly is causing the issues.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:47 AM   #24
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I think it's really crowded! Or everyone is using Touring Plans now? Idk...
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I think it's really crowded! Or everyone is using Touring Plans now? Idk...
TP has changed their crowd predictions significantly for this week.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:58 AM   #26
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Mmm... Beverly!
Now we're waiting for The Seas, the standby line is out past the monorail track.
We are waiting an unusually long time for Tuttle talk.

Overall we are doing okay. We were able to walk onto test track. We have soarin FP for 4:20. And we're able to do sum of all thrills before the line got crazy. At least we don't have to worry about FP plus messing with food and wine.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:29 AM   #27
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Just trying to understand here--

So, people having advanced fast passes is making the return times later, is that right? Wouldn't all those people that have fp+ still have gotten to Epcot this morning to get a regular fast pass?

I am not sure I am understanding how fp+ is affecting the stand by line.

Are the crowds larger right now? Wouldn't that be the fault of the deals such as free dining?

Those sound like some of the return times during Thanksgiving week (which is why we don't use it that much) and 20 minutes isn't that long so I am just curious if it is the number of people in the park.

You have ever right to complain or be disappointed if its not what you thought but I just wonder what exactly is causing the issues.
My guess is that it's a combination of crowds (Disney's efforts to get people into the parks in "slow" times + more people researching online about the "best" times to go and "best" parks for the day) and FP+ being available to so many.

Most people who booked FP+ would NOT have been in the park at rope drop because the vast majority of people can't get their whole group there in time or don't want to. So, FP+ is a benefit for them. Meanwhile, it hurts those who didn't have access to FP+ and manage to arrive at or near rope drop. Even if they are fast enough to get a FP- for Soarin or Test Track, FP- will be gone for the other when they're eligible for second FP-. And everyone who arrived early and realized they were out of luck with FP- get in the standby line asap before it gets worse.

I would guess that the best strategy for those w/o FP+ is what we usually did anyway -- send one quick person to Soarin for fastpasses and have that person meet the rest of the party at Test Track standby (getting rider swap passes if you have a too short child). And expect your Soarin fastpasses to be for very late in the day now. We used to use this strategy to fastpass Soarin twice in a day, but oh well...I guess that was selfish.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:39 AM   #28
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Today's a 5 according to easywdw and touringplans, and both sites have EP as a best park. It's possible that both sites got it galactically wrong, but unlikely.

IMHO it's much more likely that this is the "new normal" as FP+ takes a larger % of the FPs, leaving fewer legacy FPs available for the great unwashed.

And if this is the way it is for a "5" day, imagine Christmas Week. Yikes.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:41 AM   #29
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I heard this is a good way to learn about disappointment Because we don't learn about that enough in real life. Kidding, kidding.

Yeah, sorry to everyone there. Looks like this isn't a Columbus Day glitch anymore...
Arrgh... will be there one week from today. Not too excited about my family finding out about the "glitch" .... not gonna be happy.

I have FP+ for evenings because we park hop. Maybe I should change them to mornings since those are the ones hardest to get and then just take whatever is available to ride in the pm. This is crazy.

Thanks for the report, though. As Michelina said, it is what it is ...and thankfully we have been enough that we don't feel like we have to get every single ride done multiple times to have gotten our $$ worth.

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