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Old 10-10-2013, 09:24 AM   #166
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Why would you book & pay the price of a Monorail Resort to take a bus??
Perhaps because you like the resort?
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:41 AM   #167
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.... I would ask for compensation for some of those things. This isn't about entitlements, its about getting what you PAY for. If you booked a window seat on the plane and paid for it, but when you were seated there was no window ... would you demand the money back for the window seat ? I sure as hell would. Would my flight still work ? Would I still get to where I was going, yup, but its not what I paid for.

I, nor anyone here, is asking for anything for free (an entitlement) they are asking for what the PAID for, the exact opposite. Its a transaction.

And you are right, Maxie's you are paying for the resort as a bundle, and part of it is the convenience and availability of the monorail. I wouldn't reserve the Poly thinking, here is my premium money for extra busses and boats, I would book it thinking ... MONORAIL !!!

Why not buy a Porche and have them give you a 2 KIA's instead ... be happy ? Pay for a Pizza with the works and get a cheese pizza instead ? How about if you bought a living room and when it showed up it was missing the ottoman, but came with a throw rug ?

You get what you pay for, its the entire basis of a capitalist economy. When you don't, you get compensation.


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You are correct in that you get what you paid for. Nowhere in any agreement that you signed with Disney does it stipulate that you get a monorail. Disney never promised, quoted, or even mentioned a monorail in any kind of agreement with you. Ask the people who buy DVC contracts - they explicitly state that they won't even promise that WDW will even EXIST after you sign the papers! Sure, people EXPECT that WDW will continue to operate, and that's why DVC has some value. But they get no compensation if all the parks close their gates entirely.
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I'm curious about this. Does Disney really "guarantee" transportation to all the parks? It may be in their legalese somewhere, but I just checked their website & couldn't find it anywhere. I even made a fake reservation directly through the Disney site, & read through the Terms & Conditions, and didn't see anything about complementary transportation being guaranteed, let alone a guarantee of a monorail.
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So, for a room that sleeps 4, renting the cheapest DVC studio room falls somewhere in price between a Value and a Moderate resort. The more expensive DVC studios are a little more than a moderate - for example, a standard studio at BLT would run $278 per night, or $58/night more than a moderate. Is it worth about $50 per day to have better pools, better restaurants, a monorail to Epcot, and a walk to MK? Or, a studio at Boardwalk Villas (standard view) runs $218 per night - $2 less than a Moderate, and you get the clown pool, a fun boardwalk atmosphere, a boat to DHS, and short walk into Epcot.



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Whats SO FRICKEN hilarious, is that over here you are including the Monorail as something you get for the money you pay for a monorail resort, and then over on the other thread you are defending Disney ... saying that the Monorail isn't something included in the price you pay, so Disney doesn't owe people anything ... Or that Disney doesn't guarantee the monorail or include it as an amenity of the resorts ...

Just had to share this chain, it's hilarious. Argues over here that monorails are not "included" in the price that you pay for your monorail resort, that Disney does not HAVE to provide alternative transport options and does now owe anyone anything for not offering the monorail when they have paid to stay at a monorail resort.

Over there, argues that monorail resorts are worth the extra money because they include the monorail ...


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Old 10-10-2013, 09:55 AM   #168
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I guess I'm still a little confused. Are you saying that Disney contacted you ahead of time? Saying that there was "plenty of discussion" and "schedules posted" sounds like it was on DIS or another place. Did Disney contact you, or did they post information months ahead of time on their own website? If they offered to rebook people who weren't happy, are they doing so now as well? When the Poly construction started (last week?), it seems like it was a surprise to everybody. A press release about the Poly DVC went out the day construction started, & the press release was so "low key" that many people didn't believe it was real (at least until the fences went up). I haven't tracked all of Disney's construction announcements. But in at least 3 monorail stoppages & the Poly construction, no official announcement was made ahead of time. From what I remember of the VGF, construction had already started before Disney announced it - the joke at the time was that since no announcement had been made, you could point out the new building to cast members and they would pretend to look all around and say "What new building?" In reading the thread about the Poly construction, it seems to be having little impact on current guests, unless you're walking to the TTC (except, of course, for the monorail outage, and there's a big argument about the monorail there too). It seems like Disney just doesn't announce its construction plans ahead of time. In general, it appears that they don't want to give you the chance to reschedule - they would rather minimize its impact on current guests & try to accommodate people who are unhappy. I could see why some people wouldn't like this strategy, but it does appear to be consistent over the last several projects.
No. Disney posted construction updates well in advance that detailed where construction was going to occurs within the resort. They also accommodated guests whose stay was impacted by construction noise. There were no surprises. When my family was making plans to vacation, I chose to avoid akl because I had plenty of information to make an informed choice. There were others who had booked their stay in advance of the construction updates and those people were accommodated if they wanted to make changes.

I know that construction is always an ongoing occur but I believe that if an industry the size if Disney can inform guests that a dinner reservation time is changed, and can make the time to call to advise guests to make ADR's, and can email guests to inform them of upcoming events, there is no reason that they don't inform guests that a major mode of transportation is going to be impacted during their stay.

For heavens sake, when the hot tub was closed at a resort Disney communicated that fact, (I forget which one). All anyone can ask is that they be informed if there is going to be a major disruption at their resort and be allowed to make an informed decision of their own how the disruption will affect their stay. It really is not too much to ask from a company that manages to communicate all the positive aspects a Disney resort offers
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:02 AM   #169
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Perhaps because you like the resort?
Actually, GF is my fav, but..no..I would not want to take a bus!! I could spend a lot less @ another resort to take the bus!
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:31 PM   #170
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D.P. I hope I didn't offend you just making a joke. If I did I apologize.
No offense taken! I was making a joke too...
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:10 PM   #171
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Just had to share this chain, it's hilarious. Argues over here that monorails are not "included" in the price that you pay for your monorail resort, that Disney does not HAVE to provide alternative transport options and does now owe anyone anything for not offering the monorail when they have paid to stay at a monorail resort.

Over there, argues that monorail resorts are worth the extra money because they include the monorail ...


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Yes, and THANK YOU for going out of your way to make fun of me on both threads! I appreciate it!

OF COURSE having the monorail is worth paying extra for. It works most of the time, but it's just not GUARANTEED. It's VERY LIKELY to be working during your trip, but Disney does not PROMISE that it will be open.

The monorail is worth paying extra for because it works 90% of the time. The great pools are worth paying for because they're open 95% of the time. By chance, you MAY happen to be they're when they're closed. It doesn't mean they're not great features.

WDW costs almost FOUR TIMES more than my local amusement park. I'm willing to pay more for WDW because it has so many of my favorite rides, like Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, the Haunted Mansion, etc. It's very possible that one (or more) of my favorite rides will be closed. It doesn't mean the WDW isn't worth going to, or isn't worth PAYING MORE for.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:14 PM   #172
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Actually, GF is my fav, but..no..I would not want to take a bus!! I could spend a lot less @ another resort to take the bus!
Location, location, location. We stay at the GF because its in the monorail & close to MK. Disney sells this feature & so we expect it to be true. Sure, things happen. But if it were down for a big part of our trip I would be really bothered about that. Hoping for this best this winter!
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:31 PM   #173
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Why would you book & pay the price of a Monorail Resort to take a bus??
If I wanted to book a resort & take a bus, I'd stay @ AKL, POR, maybe any other mods, maybe even a Value!! For those prices @ the Poly, I would NOT want to take the bus!!
There aren't any monorail resorts. There are four, almost five, Magic Kingdom-area resorts where one of the two or three modes of transportation is the monorail. Guests who stay in the Magic Kingdom properties still use buses to get to AK and DHS, even with the prices they pay. And this should only take two weeks, part of the day.

And Polynesian guests can easily walk to the TTC and take the Express Monorail.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:30 AM   #174
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There aren't any monorail resorts. There are four, almost five, Magic Kingdom-area resorts where one of the two or three modes of transportation is the monorail. Guests who stay in the Magic Kingdom properties still use buses to get to AK and DHS, even with the prices they pay. And this should only take two weeks, part of the day. And Polynesian guests can easily walk to the TTC and take the Express Monorail.
Others can call them anything they want . I guess there is superiority where ppl feel the need to correct others on technical terms. There is a reason ppl stay in those resorts for the accessibility of the Monorail. Many ppl choose these resorts for the convenience of the monorail. Yes, buses are available to AKL & DHS. The problem is that if you book these resorts for accessibility to the Monorail & that's not working, that's a major issue for those that book it for that reason. Of course things happen. Anything can break unexpectedly. That wasn't the case here. This was an issue that is going to take 2 weeks to finish& guests were notified the night before. I'm not suggesting any compensation or anything of the sort. I'm saying that ppl should've had the ability to change resorts if that was an issue to their travel plans. Some guests can easily walk to the TTC. I'm assuming you're an able bodied person. I have a progressive nerve disorder which causes excruciating pain & I booked the resort closest to my needs..which is the Epcot resort area. I don't know why ppl act as though 11-6 isn't an important time of day? What about ppl leaving the resort in the afternoon to give kids a nap or break in the pool. What about dinner time early-a lot of ressie's are between 5-6pm? We stayed @ GF & Poly for our small children for the convenience of the Monorail. The prices of these resorts are inflated for a reason. Like others have said:: Location, Location, Location..
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:25 AM   #175
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since it started on October 6 has anyone reported how it has been and if they are still thinking it would only be for a couple weeks?
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:34 AM   #176
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since it started on October 6 has anyone reported how it has been and if they are still thinking it would only be for a couple weeks?
VGF opens 10/23, so I am sure the work will be done by then.
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D.P. Thanks for responding it did bother me if I had offended you. I like to joke around but never want to offend anyone.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:47 AM   #178
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We're at the GF starting 10/31...hope all the work is done by then!
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:09 PM   #179
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Yes, and THANK YOU for going out of your way to make fun of me on both threads! I appreciate it!

OF COURSE having the monorail is worth paying extra for. It works most of the time, but it's just not GUARANTEED. It's VERY LIKELY to be working during your trip, but Disney does not PROMISE that it will be open.

The monorail is worth paying extra for because it works 90% of the time. The great pools are worth paying for because they're open 95% of the time. By chance, you MAY happen to be they're when they're closed. It doesn't mean they're not great features.

WDW costs almost FOUR TIMES more than my local amusement park. I'm willing to pay more for WDW because it has so many of my favorite rides, like Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, the Haunted Mansion, etc. It's very possible that one (or more) of my favorite rides will be closed. It doesn't mean the WDW isn't worth going to, or isn't worth PAYING MORE for.

Not making fun of you, just pointing out your absolutely contradictory positions. Its classic Disney apologist, something I had just been discussing on this thread.

The issue isn't about the price of Disney, or the value of the parks. We are talking about the resorts in particular. People don't pay for a monorail resort to have a 90% CHANCE of having the monorail open, they pay to have the monorail, period. Some people pay for other reasons, the beach for instance.

The reason why its so contradictory, and needed to be pointed out, is that you are over here talking about how there is no guarantee of the monorail, that Disney doesn't owe it to you, etc etc. and therefore there is no need to compensate you. Except, over there, you suggested what makes it worth the extra money ... was ... the monorail !!! Come on, that's pretty hilarious, and a little hypocritical.

Notice when you were trying to argue for the value of a monorail resort vs others you didn't say "isn't it worth the extra money for a 90% chance at having a monorail up and running" YOU included the use of the monorail as part of the value you get for paying the premium price. Then over here take the exact opposite position.
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I'll be honest i skipped the middle pages of the thread- but this is the internet so hey- let me thrown in my 2 cent's- lol..

This is a planned outage- and the only reason why it's happening at a time where it can inconvenience guests is becasue it's cheaper.

It's no different than highway construction. If they think it will annoy enough people the government finds the money to pay the extra cost to get everyone to work at night. Disney decided this wouldn't offend enough people to make them look bad enough to do anything about it.

So bottom line i dont think it would hurt to kindly ask for an adjustment in rates. They saved thousands of dollars by not doing it after the parks closed so they might as well share with the guests some of the savings.
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