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Old 09-04-2013, 07:18 AM   #136
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Tootall and Dave,

Im usually with you...but the argument avatar is anywhere close to as significant or successful as Star Wars from a cultural standpoint or even has what can be loosely hinted at staying power is just silly...
My opinion...we'll disagree.
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Old 09-04-2013, 09:21 AM   #137
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Tootall and Dave,

Im usually with you...but the argument avatar is anywhere close to as significant or successful as Star Wars from a cultural standpoint or even has what can be loosely hinted at staying power is just silly...
My opinion...we'll disagree.
i do agree with you its not on the level of star wars, BUT 1977 and 2013 are very different times for movies..no red box etc....

star wars was just as much known for its special effects as avatar


still dont think any of this matters in terms of theme park success
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:51 AM   #138
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Tootall and Dave,

Im usually with you...but the argument avatar is anywhere close to as significant or successful as Star Wars from a cultural standpoint or even has what can be loosely hinted at staying power is just silly...
My opinion...we'll disagree.
I'm not saying it is either-- however, it may be in the future-- possibly due to a collaboration. Everything has a beginning.

I wish I had thought of putting a rock in a cardboard box and selling them as pets. That was a dumb idea, right?
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:00 AM   #139
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I wish I had thought of putting a rock in a cardboard box and selling them as pets. That was a dumb idea, right?
That was a dumb idea...set
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:17 PM   #140
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I'm not saying it is either-- however, it may be in the future-- possibly due to a collaboration. Everything has a beginning.

I wish I had thought of putting a rock in a cardboard box and selling them as pets. That was a dumb idea, right?
I thought of something much too late to market it, but I once remembered the pet rock thing and pondered the concept of selling Y2K compliant rocks, complete with a letter of guarantee.
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Old 09-06-2013, 10:47 PM   #141
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Avatarland is a horrible fit for Disney. Scrap it. Here's what I would do instead. Build "Journey to the center of the Earth" ride. Either at Animal Kingdom or Disney Studios. For Epcot, I would build a Horizons II dark ride.

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Old 09-07-2013, 08:09 AM   #142
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That would have been great.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:14 PM   #143
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It would make more sense to have a Donald Duck in Mathland ride though I believe Disney will put more roller coasters hopefully in Avatarland. Riding those dragons might be thriling.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:33 AM   #144
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why avatarland. so many other better films / worlds to chose from
I had lunch with the Imagineer on the project and asked the question. I was told it fit with the conservation philisophy of Disney/ AK. Could not share anything about Avatarland other then it should b great.
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Any word on when construction will begin and where it will be located? The common belief is it will be at Camp mini-Mickey but per google something is happening beyond Asia. I have concerns about Avatar and probably not the same ones as many. I agree with the assessment that Avatar does not have the staying power of say Star Wars but if done right it will still work. My concerns are more will it happen in a timely manner and if so will Cameron be so difficult to deal with, will Disney not just drop the whole thing and lose valuable time in upgrading AK. If the area behind Asia is not the construction then Disney is already behond schedule. The original plan had the park section to begin opening late 2015 but I dont see that happening. 2017 is the earliest maybe even later. We are looking 5+ years out and the initial news would have started in 2011. Seriously that is a lot of time for a Park needing a little extra punch to get the needed punch. Is it costs or is Cameron (who is a known perfectionist) so difficult to deal with that Disney is pushing things farther back? Either case my gut is telling me Disney is almost looking for a way out of this deal before they go too deep in plans. This has to be a thought especially coupled with the DHS plans being tossed around. Both would be lots of money but both really needed for both parks. Look I am not Disney's CEO nor do I pretend to be but it begs the differ that with 2 parks being what many consider half day parks was the Fantasyland expansion really needed. I doubt many would consider MK being anything less than a full day park without the New Fantasyland whereas the need to me appeared to be at two other parks and Disney is years away from upgrading either.
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Any word on when construction will begin and where it will be located? The common belief is it will be at Camp mini-Mickey but per google something is happening beyond Asia. I have concerns about Avatar and probably not the same ones as many. I agree with the assessment that Avatar does not have the staying power of say Star Wars but if done right it will still work. My concerns are more will it happen in a timely manner and if so will Cameron be so difficult to deal with, will Disney not just drop the whole thing and lose valuable time in upgrading AK. If the area behind Asia is not the construction then Disney is already behond schedule. The original plan had the park section to begin opening late 2015 but I dont see that happening. 2017 is the earliest maybe even later. We are looking 5+ years out and the initial news would have started in 2011. Seriously that is a lot of time for a Park needing a little extra punch to get the needed punch. Is it costs or is Cameron (who is a known perfectionist) so difficult to deal with that Disney is pushing things farther back? Either case my gut is telling me Disney is almost looking for a way out of this deal before they go too deep in plans. This has to be a thought especially coupled with the DHS plans being tossed around. Both would be lots of money but both really needed for both parks. Look I am not Disney's CEO nor do I pretend to be but it begs the differ that with 2 parks being what many consider half day parks was the Fantasyland expansion really needed. I doubt many would consider MK being anything less than a full day park without the New Fantasyland whereas the need to me appeared to be at two other parks and Disney is years away from upgrading either.
Can you specify where you see activity outside Asia? I don't see anything in google sat view. I think the evidence of clearing out Camp MM and relocating the Lion King theater makes it pretty clear.
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Any word on when construction will begin and where it will be located? The common belief is it will be at Camp mini-Mickey but per google something is happening beyond Asia. ....
The area behind Asia has looked basically like that since the park was built. They seem to use it for storage and staging for other projects. There is nothing in the Google Maps that would lead me to believe they are going to build there any time soon.

All indications are that it is going in the CMM area.

There was a picture recently over at Orlando Theme Parks News showing a survey marker in the CMM area. Can't say for sure it is for Avatar, but it's an interesting sign.

Evidence of actual construction, no matter where they build it, will likely surface first as a permit to the South Florida Water Management District. This would proceed construction by at least a month or two.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:15 PM   #148
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Any word on when construction will begin and where it will be located? The common belief is it will be at Camp mini-Mickey but per google something is happening beyond Asia. I have concerns about Avatar and probably not the same ones as many. I agree with the assessment that Avatar does not have the staying power of say Star Wars but if done right it will still work. My concerns are more will it happen in a timely manner and if so will Cameron be so difficult to deal with, will Disney not just drop the whole thing and lose valuable time in upgrading AK. If the area behind Asia is not the construction then Disney is already behond schedule. The original plan had the park section to begin opening late 2015 but I dont see that happening. 2017 is the earliest maybe even later. We are looking 5+ years out and the initial news would have started in 2011. Seriously that is a lot of time for a Park needing a little extra punch to get the needed punch. Is it costs or is Cameron (who is a known perfectionist) so difficult to deal with that Disney is pushing things farther back? Either case my gut is telling me Disney is almost looking for a way out of this deal before they go too deep in plans. This has to be a thought especially coupled with the DHS plans being tossed around. Both would be lots of money but both really needed for both parks. Look I am not Disney's CEO nor do I pretend to be but it begs the differ that with 2 parks being what many consider half day parks was the Fantasyland expansion really needed. I doubt many would consider MK being anything less than a full day park without the New Fantasyland whereas the need to me appeared to be at two other parks and Disney is years away from upgrading either.
announced in 2011 and always stated construction would not begin until 2013....everything i ve read seems to have it complete by 2016/2017
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Not a wizard with attaching but there is between Asia and Conservation Station a big area that looks cleared out. Looks like it has a couple of buildings located there. It may have been there for years or it may have some purpose of keeping some animals (doubt it as most are between Africa and Conservation Station). I do believe it will eventually go at Camp Mini-Mickey. However that said it does go to my point that construction start is delayed. Originally they said 2013. Unless moving Lion King counts then they are behind construction.
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I was just there a few days ago and there are walls up and what may be some construction beginning. I could not get a good look at what was going on, and I don't know what those buildings were.
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