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Old 06-27-2013, 10:59 PM   #376
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Well it's less points than most other 1B's so you saved simply;y by being there! Plus it's OKW...

I'd take a 1B over a studio any day if I have the points!

I totally agree. A 1 bedroom feels more vacationy and less hotel like to me. The separate bedroom is the best.

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And we'll see if I regret that decision any money I saved with mom not coming has been used up with the hotel and car. Oh well, I shouldn't be nickel and diming everything. It's going to be an adventure

Don't do that to yourself. You're going to have a great trip. You deserve to treat yourself and have a little adventure.





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Cynthia,
I appreciate your comments over on my TR, but I'm going to respond here since we are all synced in and Fran has been known to monitor my TRs when she is feeling bad. Jenny I hope you don't mind me hijacking your TR but I don't have another place unless y'all join our Boo to you thread that has been dormant for months!

I am TOTALLY on board with all your suggestions, in fact I would even go wheat free since my only real addiction is pasta and I could give that up if needed. The problem is that Fran is not willing to sign on to any of the suggestions you have offered. I have substituted Turkey as bacon, ground meat and who knows what else and she has called me out on it, said she won't take part. She claims she has 100 lbs to lose and she just recently turned 60. I don't know how she plans to do it but evidently she thinks she will!

I'm approaching 50 and know there are challenges. I have already cut down on most of the things you talk about, but it's the "germ killer" that gets me! I need to get more active! I've already cut down on the calories. Possibly to the point that my body thinks I am in famine and is storing calories rather than burning them.

I think either way I'm still doomed!
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:58 PM   #378
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Cynthia,
I appreciate your comments over on my TR, but I'm going to respond here since we are all synced in and Fran has been known to monitor my TRs when she is feeling bad. Jenny I hope you don't mind me hijacking your TR but I don't have another place unless y'all join our Boo to you thread that has been dormant for months!

I am TOTALLY on board with all your suggestions, in fact I would even go wheat free since my only real addiction is pasta and I could give that up if needed. The problem is that Fran is not willing to sign on to any of the suggestions you have offered. I have substituted Turkey as bacon, ground meat and who knows what else and she has called me out on it, said she won't take part. She claims she has 100 lbs to lose and she just recently turned 60. I don't know how she plans to do it but evidently she thinks she will!

I'm approaching 50 and know there are challenges. I have already cut down on most of the things you talk about, but it's the "germ killer" that gets me! I need to get more active! I've already cut down on the calories. Possibly to the point that my body thinks I am in famine and is storing calories rather than burning them.


I think either way I'm still doomed!


Hijack away. I should have posted here but wasn't sure you'd see it.

You are not doomed!!! While you're still ticking, the game isn't over.

Move more, eat less. It sounds trite but its the truth. You can do it but it will take willpower and change and support. You've got that here. I'd have to be eating like 500 calories a day for my body to go into starvation mode. Maybe have your thyroid checked?

Start with maybe a 30 minute walks when she's napping, slow pace, nothing crazy. She's asleep, she won't know.

I respect Fran immensely but you can do this without her support. She may not be on board but your health matters too. You matter too. While it would be easier if she were on board, you may have to figure it out otherwise. Baby steps and little changes like Cynthia mentioned. We are all here to support you.

We can all find a million reasons and situations to not do it. All of us. It's a choice. Baby steps friend. You are NOT doomed! I promise.
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I appreciate your comments over on my TR, but I'm going to respond here since we are all synced in and Fran has been known to monitor my TRs when she is feeling bad. Jenny I hope you don't mind me hijacking your TR but I don't have another place unless y'all join our Boo to you thread that has been dormant for months!

I am TOTALLY on board with all your suggestions, in fact I would even go wheat free since my only real addiction is pasta and I could give that up if needed. The problem is that Fran is not willing to sign on to any of the suggestions you have offered. I have substituted Turkey as bacon, ground meat and who knows what else and she has called me out on it, said she won't take part. She claims she has 100 lbs to lose and she just recently turned 60. I don't know how she plans to do it but evidently she thinks she will!
Oh Allison

I hope I don't overstep, lord knows I'm known for it. This sounds like fear talking on Fran's side. As if she is afraid that if you get healthy, you will leave. Or that you don't love her the way she is and you want her to change. I know that during the years I wasn't being as active it really really bothered Jeff. His voicing it had the opposite effect. It didn't motivate me, it really angered me and like a child I refused to do what was good for me simply because he thought I should. It made the situation worse.

All that aside, (and yes without changes losing 100 pounds won't happen on its own), she doesn't have to take part for you to take part. That is a choice you make. She can't make you or not allow you to go to Curves, or for a walk, or make different food choices. You choose to let her make you feel bad and then do what she wants to keep peace. I get it, I truly truly do. I was married to a drug addict and alcoholic. I did things to survive that time that in retrospect I realize simply enabled him to keep doing what he was doing. I kept trying to "fix" him, or keep him happy so that he would want to change, but all I really did was neglected myself. And in the end he is/was the only one that could change himself. It isn't that much different here. Fran has to want this for herself, you can't make her want it or force her to do it. You can only control you. At the end of the day that is who we each are left with and who is most important. I truly believe that we can't love someone else fully, without loving ourselves the most, first. As women that is counter-intuitive. We give and give and give. Sometimes until there is nothing left to give. It's not sustainable and if we don't "feed" ourselves, not only can the desire to give run out, resentment can come in and thrive creating a hideous spiral and circle. It truly wasn't until my ex was out of the house and in live in rehab when I stepped back and looked at myself and went who am I? Where did I go? How do I get myself back? It isn't the same and not implying that it is, only saying if there is a way to step back and look at this bigger picture, more outside looking in than inside looking out it can provide clarity.

Choosing to go down a path that is not supported by the one we love is brutal and often unthinkable. Choosing to give up our health for someone else shouldn't be a choice you have to make for a relationship. I know you don't want to hurt her or make her feel bad but instead it's hurting you, and making you feel bad.

I don't advocate sneaking. It never works, it always gets found out and it isn't healthy on either side. You should (and CAN) do what is right for you. You can ask for her support and she can choose to give it to you or not but letting go of the idea of her doing it with you and letting her make that choice on her own may be the first step to allow you to pursue this. Pursue it for you. If she ultimately decides to get on board, so much the better. taking it slow, both on the exercise and diet front will allow both of you to acclimate and hopefully lessen her fears.

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I'm approaching 50 and know there are challenges. I have already cut down on most of the things you talk about, but it's the "germ killer" that gets me! I need to get more active! I've already cut down on the calories. Possibly to the point that my body thinks I am in famine and is storing calories rather than burning them.

I think either way I'm still doomed!
As we age sadly it doesn't seem that just exercise or just diet works. Both are required. Which pretty much sucks! I would really suggest trying myfitnesspal or something like it as an alternative. What I really like about is that you can enter your info, target weight, target rate of loss and it will tell you how many calories you need to be eating. If you work out, you can "eat bacK" whatever you worked out. But as important, it will tell you the composition of what you are eating. Target %'s fat/protein and carbs and then even down to the vitamin level. For me it was incredibly educational as to what I was really putting in my body. Low calorie or low fat is not always the best choice for a balanced diet. You can enter it online, on a smart phone and even scan bar codes and create recipes (I love that feature). I have so many standard dishes I make that I might think are healthy but entering them in really helped me identify what was, and what maybe wasn't, and think about small tweaks as needed. Or in some cases simply realize that x favorite item had a lot more calories than I'd been assuming and either I needed a smaller portion or less side dish!

I feel like a dope here but by "germ killer" what exactly do you mean? I tried to figure it out and all I came up with was wine but...

You aren't doomed! You have a LOT of people here who support you and you can do this. But you have to decide you aren't doomed and do something about it. That's the hardest part. We are all here for you
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I think you might be right. I think I'm just realistic. It's impossible for anyone to love and appreciate and put up with my kids like I do. Nor do I expect anyone too.
I love it! Most of my friends have kids and they'll act like psychopaths while my friends just smile and ignore it, or worse comment on how amazing their children are. It amuses me greatly.



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Absolutely. I'm glad you did. You'll be so relaxed and pampered. Have to decided what car you'll rent? I'm thinking small with good gas mileage.
Thank you

The same, no need for a big one. Looks like Hertz is the closest to the port. Right now I can only get an estimate for $160, hopefully it will go down.

Have you decided what you'll do post cruise?
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Alison, I'm not ignoring your guys' conservation, just reading along and taking notes. I've had a weight problem my whole life, lost and gained back a 100 pounds twice. I'm back on track and trying to lose it again. But will definitely not be that careful on vacation.
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You've got that here. I'd have to be eating like 500 calories a day for my body to go into starvation mode. Maybe have your thyroid checked?
Starvation mode is generally linked to calorie intake, which is a flawed way to look at it. Starvation is actually a function of nutrients as much as it is calories. It's possible for someone to be perfectly healthy on 1000 cals per day if they are getting enough of the necessary nutrients, while someone on 1600 cals per day might not be if they are falling short in required nutrients.

It also really depends on current weight. Starvation mode is tied to that so what that number is for one, will be very different than another. There are a lot of myths about it that is for sure!
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I'm so glad you guys are talking about weight and what is working for you. I struggle with my weight too and am finding this all very inspiring.

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Alison, I'm not ignoring your guys' conservation, just reading along and taking notes. I've had a weight problem my whole life, lost and gained back a 100 pounds twice. I'm back on track and trying to lose it again. But will definitely not be that careful on vacation.

Vacation is defiantly not the time to begin to make changes. I find though that my healthier changes spill over even when on vacation, most of the time, just because I don't feel great if I'm stuffed silly. For me quantity is a huge factor. Hate diet food, always have, always will. Portion control is key. I'm sure I eat too much fats.

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Starvation mode is generally linked to calorie intake, which is a flawed way to look at it. Starvation is actually a function of nutrients as much as it is calories. It's possible for someone to be perfectly healthy on 1000 cals per day if they are getting enough of the necessary nutrients, while someone on 1600 cals per day might not be if they are falling short in required nutrients.

It also really depends on current weight. Starvation mode is tied to that so what that number is for one, will be very different than another. There are a lot of myths about it that is for sure!

I run very well on a balanced 1200 calories a day.

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Thanks ladies. I'm already doing things. I don't eat sweets. Occasionally, yes. But I'm not one who woukd eat a container of Ben and Jerry's in a sitting. More like four sittings. I also don't drink diet soda. Coffee, water, iced tea and wine. Unfortunately my portion sizes are already pretty small.

Germ killer is mine and Brandi's (dgbg100206) sarcastic term for spirits and wine. When a bunch of people on the AKL thread were sick, we joked that we made sure to kill the germs with plenty of drinks! Hence the term "germ killler".
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I don't think anyone should be that careful on vacation, it's part of the point! I do agree it spills over though. I've worked out the last 4 vacations and have never done that before in my life! Not my normal schedule but still, just even the idea before wouldn't have even crossed my mind but somehow...I felt compelled to at least do a little something. So bizarre. In a good way but odd and new.

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I'm so glad you guys are talking about weight and what is working for you. I struggle with my weight too and am finding this all very inspiring.

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Hey, random cruise question for you! Wasn't there somewhere you really like in San Juan for hotel? It's ridiculously far away to me but there is a FB meet thread for the cruise (I can PM you the link if you like, I don't think you are on it?) and a lot of hullaballo over a AAA rate at the Sheraton right there at the port. Rate doesn't seem anything spectacular to me but maybe I'm missing something.

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Vacation is defiantly not the time to begin to make changes. I find though that my healthier changes spill over even when on vacation, most of the time, just because I don't feel great if I'm stuffed silly. For me quantity is a huge factor. Hate diet food, always have, always will. Portion control is key. I'm sure I eat too much fats.

I run very well on a balanced 1200 calories a day.
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For me it's as much ingredient control as it is portion. Really small portions of certain things can be really dangerous to me. Like mac and cheese! OMG I love my homemade mac and cheese but OMG once I put the ingredients in to myfitnesspal...yikes. I am with you on diet food. Balance is key. That's where myfitnesspal really helped me make some tweaks. Calories weren't horribly off but the nutrition...not always so good. 1200 is weight loss mode for me, I need more than that.


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Thanks ladies. I'm already doing things. I don't eat sweets. Occasionally, yes. But I'm not one who would eat a container of Ben and Jerry's in a sitting. More like four sittings. I also don't drink diet soda. Coffee, water, iced tea and wine. Unfortunately my portion sizes are already pretty small.
I'm sure you are doing lots of things! Not remotely implying or assuming you aren't and I truly hope you don't take it that way. All I am saying is that for me, using some kind of food log that really tracked the content really helped me understand exactly what it all added up to be. So for example I eat a fair amount of oatmeal. I love raisins in it. I was probably putting 3/4 cup in my bowl. It's fruit, it's fiber, it's healthy. But the sugar content in that alone was nuts! I've dropped it to 1/4 cup. Trail mix. I love trail mix as a snack, and it's healthy right? Sure..in 1/4c increments. Who wants only 1/4 cup? That's not even a handful lol. But knowing the impact having more than that had..has helped.

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TGerm killer is mine and Brandi's (dgbg100206) sarcastic term for spirits and wine. When a bunch of people on the AKL thread were sick, we joked that we made sure to kill the germs with plenty of drinks! Hence the term "germ killler".
It's my downfall too. Ok that and cheese and chips. Honestly, when I was in weight loss mode I made sure I burned enough that day, to justify my wine that night. One 6 oz glass is about 114 calories. I don't know about you but my glasses just might be bigger than that and well, I may have more than one. 45 minutes of walking is worth one glass of wine, so is 50 minute of house cleaning but even better, so is 30 minutes of gardening. I will say I did give up beer for the most part about a year and a half ago. Not for weight loss reasons but because I have issues with carbonation. Pretty much stick to wine and that does help and we limit it to certain nights of the week as well as amount. Jeff cut beer to Fridays only, switching to wine, and just that alone helped him lose some.
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Hey, random cruise question for you! Wasn't there somewhere you really like in San Juan for hotel? It's ridiculously far away to me but there is a FB meet thread for the cruise (I can PM you the link if you like, I don't think you are on it?) and a lot of hullaballo over a AAA rate at the Sheraton right there at the port. Rate doesn't seem anything spectacular to me but maybe I'm missing something.


I haven't even looked at hotels yet. Guess I am a slacker! I would love the link to the FB meet thread.

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I haven't even looked at hotels yet. Guess I am a slacker! I would love the link to the FB meet thread.

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Nah, I think they are WAY jumping the gun. I'll PM you the link

BTW...K was at Mines on Monday (at CSU today, 3 day camp)...they want her to come back in the fall for a scholarship conversation.

We shall see!
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BTW...K was at Mines on Monday (at CSU today, 3 day camp)...they want her to come back in the fall for a scholarship conversation.

We shall see!
Thanks!

Yay! Scholarship conversations are good! If you guys need anything when K is in town, let me know. I have a spare bedroom that's always open.

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Yay! Scholarship conversations are good! If you guys need anything when K is in town, let me know. I have a spare bedroom that's always open.

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Awwww, thanks! Jeff's mom lives there so grandma is in HEAVEN having her there for a week, even if 3 days of it are residential at CSU. We still see, not at all sure it's the right academic fit but it is an amazing school. One of my engineers played a year of softball there so I got her take on the athletic program so that was good. Probably going to have K meet her over lunch.
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