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Old 06-19-2013, 01:12 AM   #31
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Absolutely ridiculous! Whoever came up with this is an idiot. What's next? Kids won't be able to call water or juice "drinks" anymore because it will encourage them to drink alcohol excessively!!!!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:44 AM   #32
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If it is about gambling--that is just ridiculous. "A rose by any other name . . ."
Besides which, um, HELLO, you can wager/gamble on anything, and dice are used for all kinds of non gambling games an activities (and, heck, you can even play poker with just chips as a game and not bet money--we do all the time).

I don't like the attitude that the kids are too stupid to connect dice to possibly gambling as long as we change the name.

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Like someone else said, I'm a teacher and to my knowledge it's never been about gambling.

We call them number cubes or number generators to describe their FUNCTION. I've often called them Dice as well, because dice is a commonly used name for the tool that is used to ..... generate numbers!

Oh my, it must be a conspiracy. Schools are describing dice that are being used as learning tools by their function!

Even in Kindergarten, my students would know that if you're playing a game that needs a number generator and didn't have any dice - you could use a deck of cards. It's all about learning and understanding the functions. It's not just "teacher told us to toss these and do this!"

We get lots of dice and cards donated from local casinos and use them frequently. Why on earth would people think it's somehow "wrong" to refer to them by the function we're using them for?
I think this is as ridiculous as the gambling issue. I was a teacher and am now a parent. Teaching proper vocabulary is an important part of learning ANY lesson.

You SHOULD be teaching the kids that a 3 sided, closed figure with all straigt sides is called a TRIANGLE.

You SHOULD be teaching kids that a device used to measure temperature is called a THERMOMETER.

and you SHOULD be teaching kids that a 3 dimensional item that is tossed to randomly generate a number is called a DIE.

Defining everything by its function is cumbersome and stunts vocabulary development--I would e very annoyed to have my child in a class whose teacher did this.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:15 AM   #33
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Funny, I see the word "number cube" (I've never seen "numbered cube") a lot as I review math materials, and just figured it was one more way to work in a vocabulary word. It never occurred to me that it was about gambling.
I agree. It's that academic vocabulary- Common Core strikes again!

I don't see it as gambling either. I will say, some schools use playing cards for math games. Some teachers will just use regular playing cards- while some teachers will only use the curriculum based math cards with numbers, dots, math facts.

I student taught with someone who was very religious and would not call them playing cards/dice either.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:34 AM   #34
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Well I'm a teacher and they are dice to me.
And when I teach probability and I roll those dice, I just can't help myself, I have to yell out....

"C'mon.....Lucky Number Seven!!!!!!!"
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:50 AM   #35
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In defense of the school, I bet you a dollar (sorry, I couldn't resist) that the change was the result of a complaint by someone. So, yeah, it's insane. But it's some "I pay your salary, and I want this travesty fixed" type of complaint that caused this.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:18 AM   #36
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Oh but gambling is a SIN! Therefore, even when the taxes paid by the casinos pay for the salaries and the new school building and let the kids have athletics. . .it is to be discouraged!

I'm reminded of a time, years ago, when a casino wanted to donate some old computer equipment to a HS vocational program. The teacher of the program and the principal wanted the equipment. The casino wanted to donate it. (It was 0 value, as it had already been depreciated off the books.)

The school board said no way, no how, not ever. (The fact that a good percentage of their money came from taxes the casino paid and that the casino employed many, many of the parents of kids in the schools, nonwithstanding.) Don't want be associated with gambling or promote it or even seem like we like it!

Soooo. . .the casino put all the equipment the school wanted in a big plastic "dumpster". A casino worker whose wife taught in the school system backed up his truck and loaded the equipment that he'd found while "dumpster diving" and his wife drove it to the school. If questioned, the vocational teacher and the principal could honestly say that X teacher had brought it to them, and it was some equipment that her husband had found scavenging in the trash - the casino was Not Involved.

This, apparently, was acceptable.

ETA: I think it was in Cannery Row that Steinbeck had the madame of the local cathouse say something to the effect that every time someone in the town needed money, they came to the cathouse for donations. And because the cathouse was the cathouse, they had to donate double what all the "upstanding" industries did and expect to get no recognition. This is true of casinos today.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:14 AM   #37
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Rich Voss (a very funny comic) had a joke that when he was in Kindergarten and was told to sit Indian-style he grabbed a fifth of whiskey and laid in the gutter. Makes me laugh every time.

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Old 06-19-2013, 07:17 AM   #38
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In defense of the school, I bet you a dollar (sorry, I couldn't resist) that the change was the result of a complaint by someone. So, yeah, it's insane. But it's some "I pay your salary, and I want this travesty fixed" type of complaint that caused this.
Maybe the first time. In most cases where they don't say "dice" I'd bet on some silly conference that was attended by administrators.
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In defense of the school, I bet you a dollar (sorry, I couldn't resist) that the change was the result of a complaint by someone. So, yeah, it's insane. But it's some "I pay your salary, and I want this travesty fixed" type of complaint that caused this.
I don't see it as a defense. I have little respect for school personnel who would cave to such silly demands and complaints--doing so only increases the odds that more nuts will come around and make more sill complaints.
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I don't recall ever having to use dice for my children's school work.

Also, what happens when you have a 8 sided or 20 sided die? That's no cube.
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Absolutely ridiculous! Whoever came up with this is an idiot
The majority of idiotic things like this in schools is because enough parents complained and probably threatened a lawsuit. Sometimes it's easier to appease the parents than fighting.

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Have you ever worked in a school? The sheer amount of threats and complaints are mind-boggling. If somebody is worried about losing their job, it's pretty simple to cave to a request like this.

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Yep. I see it on these boards all the time. Posters are immediately encouraged to go to the superintendent, sign petitions, call for the firing of the teacher/principal etc.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:04 AM   #43
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The majority of idiotic things like this in schools is because enough parents complained and probably threatened a lawsuit. Sometimes it's easier to appease the parents than fighting.

Have you ever worked in a school? The sheer amount of threats and complaints are mind-boggling. If somebody is worried about losing their job, it's pretty simple to cave to a request like this.

Yep. I see it on these boards all the time. Posters are immediately encouraged to go to the superintendent, sign petitions, call for the firing of the teacher/principal etc.
Yes, I am a former public school teacher.
I have no respect for administrations or superintendents who will not back their staff on such issues and instead make the job of actually teaching harder by caving to such silly demands over and over again.
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I have no respect for administrations or superintendents who will not back their staff on such issues and instead make the job of actually teaching harder by caving to such silly demands over and over again.
I agree, but if you get enough parents with petitions and threats who are involving lawyers, administration doesn't have a choice.

I remember a story about a school district who had to go to a "no running rule" at recess because a child got hurt and the parents sued. It's stupid, it makes zero sense, but schools are operating on a tight budget, and they can't afford a million dollar lawsuit. Ditto for a recent rule about no hugging in the hallways (girls felt harassed).

Every school district is different. We call dice....dice, and we can run at recess.
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Every school district is different. We call dice....dice, and we can run at recess.
We actually still say "under God" during the morning pledge (gasp)
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