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Old 05-29-2013, 08:24 AM   #16
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We've taken 2 cruises with BC only. Our third is in a few weeks.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:56 AM   #17
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We have the same issue with my daughter and her bio mom, whom she has no contact with. My daughter has now sailed twice with only her bc. Just make sure it's a closed loop cruise, and at least one person who is listed on the bc is going on the cruise with the child. I understand all the responses for passports and indeed the rest of us have a passport, but not everyone is in the position to get one until they are an adult due to selfish "parents".
I don't know your circumstances, but my brother was the 'selfish' parent you refer to. He refused to let his son have a passport because my nephew's mother thought it was just fine to take nephew out of school all the time and my brother has other ideas for going to school. My brother said he would agree to a passport for a specific trip, but she never had the details of a specific trip. She wanted nephew to go to Viet Nam with his grandparent, to Mexico, to Europe with another grandparent, all during the school year. Of course when it was time for him to visit his father, he couldn't miss an hour of school if a flight were more convenient or less expensive. Although they shared custody, withholding the passport was really the only control my brother had to make sure his son didn't just take off whenever the whim came over him (or his mother).

I know other kids with divorced parents and the passports are kept with a court guardian because neither parent trusts the other. They have to apply to the guardian if they want to take the kids out of the country.

If you have sole custody, you don't need the permission of the other parent; you can submit the custody papers. You could also get a court order to allow the issuing of a passport.

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Old 05-29-2013, 09:15 AM   #18
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I don't know your circumstances, but my brother was the 'selfish' parent you refer to. He refused to let his son have a passport because my nephew's mother thought it was just fine to take nephew out of school all the time and my brother has other ideas for going to school. My brother said he would agree to a passport for a specific trip, but she never had the details of a specific trip. She wanted nephew to go to Viet Nam with his grandparent, to Mexico, to Europe with another grandparent, all during the school year. Of course when it was time for him to visit his father, he couldn't miss an hour of school if a flight were more convenient or less expensive. Although they shared custody, withholding the passport was really the only control my brother had to make sure his son didn't just take off whenever the whim came over him (or his mother).

I know other kids with divorced parents and the passports are kept with a court guardian because neither parent trusts the other. They have to apply to the guardian if they want to take the kids out of the country.

If you have sole custody, you don't need the permission of the other parent; you can submit the custody papers. You could also get a court order to allow the issuing of a passport.

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I'm sorry your brother had to struggle with this issue, his request seems very reasonable. I hope things will work out. Our situation was very different, and permission was withheld out of spite and only upset my daughter. We inquired ways to get her a passport and could not, so we have decided to wait until she is old enough to sign for herself with just one parents signature. Please let your brother know that at 16 with a drivers license you can get a passport with one parents signature, no one has to notify the other parent.
I truly hope no offense was taken because none was intended. Only faith, trust, and pixie dust.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #19
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Nancy,
I'm sorry your brother had to struggle with this issue, his request seems very reasonable. I hope things will work out. Our situation was very different, and permission was withheld out of spite and only upset my daughter. We inquired ways to get her a passport and could not, so we have decided to wait until she is old enough to sign for herself with just one parents signature. Please let your brother know that at 16 with a drivers license you can get a passport with one parents signature, no one has to notify the other parent.
I truly hope no offense was taken because none was intended. Only faith, trust, and pixie dust.
My nephew is now 20 and got his own passport at 18 (I think) to go on a cruise with his girlfriend's family. It all worked out. If my nephew would have asked his father for the passport permission directly, with info about the trip, my brother probably would have agreed (although my brother can't stand the grandparents who were offering to take nephew on these trips, so at that point it might have been spite).

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Old 05-29-2013, 04:22 PM   #20
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I am more concerned of being stranded in a foreign country... If an emergency occurs.
Well that's the whole point in getting a passport when one isn't absolutely necessary, isn't it? That's the exact thing the passport does for you when you have it; gets you home quicker, cheaper (expedited fees are rotten), and with less hassle.

Since that's what you're worried about, get the passport.


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As far as a color copy of a passport, it is useless, is not a recognized form of ID, must have the actual passport.
Of course, but it gives you the passport number which helps matters if you miss the ship.

I, personally, bring my passport on shore.


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My nephew is 12. He can not get a passport because his father is not in the picture (a piece of trash) and we would unable to get the "father's" permission, which you need for a minor getting a passport. We leave in August and are planning on using my nephew's birth cert. as his only form of ID. Do we need anything else as far as an ID? I don't even think there is anything else. Will we be ok?

As long as no one asks if there is permission to travel from the other parent (if my son were traveling with just me and not DH we would be sure to have a notarized statement from DH stating that DS is allowed to go with me, for instance), he'll be fine with the BC if it's a closed loop cruise that BCs are allowed for. As long as there is no emergency that requires him to fly internationally, of course.

I personally would try for the passport.......

If he's 100% not in the picture, you guys need to move forward with that. You need to get the courts involved and get the mom sole custody.

If you go to the state department's website you can see the flowchart of things you can do to get a passport for a minor, and it gives the options beyond having both parents in agreement.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...inors_834.html

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STEP 7: Provide Parental Consent

Both parents must provide consent authorizing passport issuance for a minor under age 16. See the scenarios below, and follow the instruction that best applies to your circumstance:


Both Parents MUST:


Appear in person with the minor
Sign Form DS-11 in front of an Acceptance Agent



One Parent MUST:


Appear in person with the minor
Sign Form DS-11 in front of an Acceptance Agent
Submit the second parents' notarized Statement of Consent (Form DS-3053)



One Parent
(with sole legal custody)
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Appear in person with the minor
Sign Form DS-11 in front of an Acceptance Agent
Submit primary evidence of sole authority to apply for the child with one of the following:
Minor's certified U.S. or foreign birth certificate listing only the applying parent
Consular Report of Birth Abroad (Form FS-240) or Certification of Birth Abroad (Form DS-1350) listing only the applying parent
Court order granting sole custody to the applying parent (unless child's travel is restricted by that order)
Adoption decree (if applying parents is sole adopting parent)
Court order specifically permitting applying parent's or guardian's travel with the child
Judicial declaration of incompetence of non-applying parent
Death certificate of non-applying parent

NOTE: If none of the above documentation is available, the applying parent must submit Form DS-3053 stating why the non-applying parent/guardian's consent cannot be obtained



A Third Party
(in Loco Parentis applying on behalf of a minor under the age of 16)
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Submit a notarized written statement or affidavit from both parents or guardians authorizing a third-party to apply for a passport
When the statement of affidavit is from only one parent/guardian, the third-party must present evidence of sole custody of the authorizing parent/guardian.

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Old 05-29-2013, 04:35 PM   #21
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We are cruising on the Wonder in October, and I was planning on getting everyone passports but I'm curious to know if it's absolutely necessary. Has anyone ever did a cruise without one? I am more concerned of being stranded in a foreign country... If an emergency occurs.
If you are concerned about being stranded in a foreign country then get a passport. To me, this step is a no-brainer.

Just because people do cruise without a passport, doesn't me its the prudent thing to do. I wouldn't be found jumping off a bridge just because someone else did it.
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Old 05-29-2013, 04:49 PM   #22
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Of course you should not take your passport off the ship in port, but many people make color copies to have with them just in case of said emergency.
This is probably a stupid question, but.....
If the point of taking the passport is in case you get stranded somewhere, what good is it to leave it on the ship? Will they really accept a photocopy?
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:49 PM   #23
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This is probably a stupid question, but.....
If the point of taking the passport is in case you get stranded somewhere, what good is it to leave it on the ship? Will they really accept a photocopy?

Silly person ... you looked at the issue logically!!!!

Having the photocopy CAN help the Embassy speed up your replacement process . . but it is NOT a get out of jail free card
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:27 PM   #24
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Last year on Magic our grandson traveled with birth certificate only. No issues whatsoever. You will be fine. As far as a color copy of a passport, it is useless, is not a recognized form of ID, must have the actual passport.

The copy is more so you have the information to aide in getting help and a replacement if needed. Of course the a photocopy will not pass for anything, but it has all your info in one place when you need to go to the embassy or consulate to get an official replacement.
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:41 PM   #25
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We are cruising on the Wonder in October, and I was planning on getting everyone passports but I'm curious to know if it's absolutely necessary. Has anyone ever did a cruise without one? I am more concerned of being stranded in a foreign country... If an emergency occurs.
Just got my whole family passports for our upcoming cruise for this exact reason. Medical emergency, ship issues etc.... Call it my insurance policy! Although technically not necessary on most closed loop cruises I consider it a must.
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:46 PM   #26
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This is probably a stupid question, but.....
If the point of taking the passport is in case you get stranded somewhere, what good is it to leave it on the ship? Will they really accept a photocopy?

Silly person ... you looked at the issue logically!!!!

Having the photocopy CAN help the Embassy speed up your replacement process . . but it is NOT a get out of jail free card
Its not about being stranded in port for me. If I have an emergency in port hopefully a family member can retrieve my passport. You cant account for all emergencies. For me its more about an issue with the ship stranding us in a foreign port or having a serious enough medical emergency to need evacuation.
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The idea is to not let the ship leave you behind, having it onboard you can go back to get it if there is an emergency in your party and you have to return to the states. Try not to get left behind...
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If you are concerned about being stranded in a foreign country then get a passport. To me, this step is a no-brainer.

Just because people do cruise without a passport, doesn't me its the prudent thing to do. I wouldn't be found jumping off a bridge just because someone else did it.
Exactly! Just because people cruise with a passport, doesn't mean it's the prudent thing to do either.

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My sister has an interesting situation as well. Her ex-boyfriends first child has no contact with her mother and her father doesn't have sole custody.
My sister would like to take this girl (fifteen so too young to obtain a passport without permission from both parents) on a Disney cruise with only a BC and permission from the father. Would a BC and minor authorization from only the father be sufficient documentation for this type of situation? Any advice is much appreciated!
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My sister has an interesting situation as well. Her ex-boyfriends first child has no contact with her mother and her father doesn't have sole custody.
My sister would like to take this girl (fifteen so too young to obtain a passport without permission from both parents) on a Disney cruise with only a BC and permission from the father. Would a BC and minor authorization from only the father be sufficient documentation for this type of situation? Any advice is much appreciated!
I moved this question to the "Minor Authorization Form" thread where I thought I was posting it. Thanks!
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