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Old 05-29-2013, 08:58 AM   #1381
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There are only two rides it is not available for. One is a very low capacity ride that is meant for children called Pteranadon Flyers and the other is Forbidden Journey.

I totally expect Disney to start charging for fastpasses. I think you'll probably get 3 free (one from each category) and then be able to pay if you want more or have the number free increase depending on what level of hotel you stay at.
The point is universal already does charge and nobody is bashing them. All speculation on Disney and yet people are acting as if they haven't given us 40 some years of fun.It costs $ to vacation and it costs $$$ at Disney because it's worth it. You may not like every improvement WDW makes but they keep making them and people keep coming back
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:03 AM   #1382
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Fascinating Rileygirl. I think you may be onto something. I've also considered the marketing opportunity of the ap. If just about every website I go to knows I have recently visited a site for comfortable shoes and suggests them to me, what could the Disney ap do with our information. I mentioned that the data would likely include what we purchased and when as well as where we have eaten etc. In addition to suggested ADRs based on cancellations or open tables, why not special "coupon code" deals to purchase similar items in the park you are "scheduled" for the next day. Or if you bought a Pluto plush in the morning, the next time you check the ap they offer a M&G FP time for Pluto.

For many guests, this would seem fun and give them the sense they are getting some great bonus experiences. Others (me) would be freaking out at the data mining going on while I was in the park. Big Brother, leave me alone.
I totally agree. The potential makes my head hurt. Its why, i think, the end result, disney is absolutely commited to bring this thing to life
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:05 AM   #1383
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There are only two rides it is not available for. One is a very low capacity ride that is meant for children called Pteranadon Flyers and the other is Forbidden Journey.

I totally expect Disney to start charging for fastpasses. I think you'll probably get 3 free (one from each category) and then be able to pay if you want more or have the number free increase depending on what level of hotel you stay at.
Stop stirring the pot Damo, :>)

But I do believe that this system once in place, and PASSIONATELY LOVED by people, this will be exactly what happens. This is several years down the road maybe though.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:09 AM   #1384
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Stop stirring the pot Damo, :>)

But I do believe that this system once in place, and PASSIONATELY LOVED by people, this will be exactly what happens. This is several years down the road maybe though.

Oh I agree that it will be a few years down the road but they will be able to sneak a whole bunch of extra charges in with this new system. I'll gladly stay at a higher level resort if I get more palpable perks. That's exactly why I always stay onsite at Universal and LOVE it.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:20 AM   #1385
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If Disney wanted everyone out of lines.. why would they build all those interactive queues?
One of the selling features, or window dressing, of this technology, is that it is possible to make the que part of the ride experience, with interactive elements. Missyrose has already stated her conversation with a disney imagineer that attractions that had gone down for refurbishment, and had stuff added to the que, the rfid technology has been 'snuck in'.

Disney is trying to make the que a little more fun for those who either by choice, ignorance or necessity find themselve in said que.

I suspect that the parades going down for refurb are for exactly the same reason.
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Stop stirring the pot Damo, :>)

But I do believe that this system once in place, and PASSIONATELY LOVED by people, this will be exactly what happens. This is several years down the road maybe though.
One reason I think they eventually have to go this route...ticket prices. They are about to break the $100 barrier, which could be a major psychological hurdle for guests. So instead of raising base tickets further, they may need to further stratify their offerings. I don't think they'll go for seasonal tiered pricing as has been mentioned - they already get that at the resorts. But if FP is broken off as a tiered component, that would be different. And the pricing on the FP option _could_ be tiered by season - Universal does that for the "single user per attraction" Express pass.

But I think a 3 FP+ limit isn't going to be sufficient to elicit much buy-in. AND, if you're going to make me pay for it, I for darn-tootalooting sure better be able to book what I want...
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:25 AM   #1387
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One of the selling features, or window dressing, of this technology, is that it is possible to make the que part of the ride experience, with interactive elements. Missyrose has already stated her conversation with a disney imagineer that attractions that had gone down for refurbishment, and had stuff added to the que, the rfid technology has been 'snuck in'.

Disney is trying to make the que a little more fun for those who either by choice, ignorance or necessity find themselve in said que.

I suspect that the parades going down for refurb are for exactly the same reason.
Hey, maybe the window dressing will be so awesome that pretty soon they'll be selling "enhanced queue" passes. AKA..... standby.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:31 AM   #1388
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Hey, maybe the window dressing will be so awesome that pretty soon they'll be selling "enhanced queue" passes. AKA..... standby.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:37 AM   #1389
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Actually it does still benefit the planner. Because the planner will fuss and fume about it, but will indeed keep checking back until they get what they want.

Once we had our BOG ADRs for our December trip (what a FIASCO of poor IT, poor infrastructure and poor management decisions THAT day was!) we got a crazy idea that it would be fun to eat in both castles in the MK on the same day. CRT was already booked. But if you set your mind to something you can often make it happen. I knew if I kept checking, I'd find something and I did. The first time I got wasn't great, but I took it and kept checking back. Eventually I got exactly what I was after.

Most newbies aren't going to go to that trouble. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Many of us planners are apparently thirsty enough to not only seek out the water, but drink quite heavily once we get there!

But there IS a point at which even I will decide it just isn't worth the effort. Bringing it down to the individual ride level could prove to be that point
This is very true, and will allow for some educated users to max the system, if it is indeed run like this. But Perhaps the computer technology does not exist to do this. See, I have no background with computers, so I dont know if I am just inventing stuff up that is actually impossible to do. I should hope the IT people would jump in and say, nice idea lady, but its impossible to do.

Also, there will be a subtle manipulation by Disney on Us. If they advertise, in advance by about 6 months, that During the month of September there will be 1 additional tier 1 and 2 additional tier 2 available to everybody at the MK and DHS, would it not tempt us more to visit during hurricane season? So, they are spreading us out, and making us want to visit at times of years, they want more vactioners.....
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:44 AM   #1390
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Universal has you PAY for their "skip the lines" pass ??? And that's ok but you people are complaining that Disney MAY someday do the same ?? Yes it's free to hotel guests but if Disney did the same for their hotel guests I'm guessing this board would be shut down from the influx of hatred for a company wanting to make money. Money that they CONTINUALLY put back into the parks and other areas of the complex.

By the way the skip the line pass is NOT on every ride and not available on harry potter.
As a pp stated, the Universal pass encompasses a significantly bigger portion (all but 2) of Universal's attractions, whereas in its current form FP+ is proposed to be only 3, tiered FP's, which severely limits your number of "priority rides" and controls on which attractions you can use your priority (incl. only one "headliner"/day). I wouldn't be happy to be put in a position to have to pay for that.

Maybe if the limit of FP's was 5 and I could put them on what I want I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if it was user pay - make it like Universal, a perk for on-site guests and an add-on for offsite, even better since we already stay on site.

It's the talk of all the "possibilities" for WDW to force user pay for a myriad of other things ... prime parade watching spots, prime firework spots, etc that I have an issue with. Not only is it blatant nickel and diming and squeezing your customers for everything they are worth, it would create other issues, like big bottle necks when they start blocking off the "premium" areas of MS when it was time to start setting up for a parade or fireworks. Pure greed on WDW's part if they go this route (which is what I personally think is potentially a big PR problem for WDW) Not only creating a user-pay (for everything) system, but disrupting the experience for those who chose not to pay for those premiums. I don't care if the parrot in the Pirate's queue knows my name when I walk by ... if my family ends up having to pay hundreds of dollars more for the same experience we are having now purely because Disney execs have figured out a way to charge for everything, while thinking we'll be ok with it because they've made it "fun" for us with all their high tech aps & gadgets, they are really off the mark (and risk losing our money altogether)
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:48 AM   #1391
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I'm not sure if I would actually be more inclined to travel simply because more FP+ might be available during a certain time. The first thing I think of is how complicated it all appears and I'm a seasoned visitor. I don't want to spend a lot of time trying to get what I want and I wonder if the casual visitor or newbie will want this. KISS has a lot of appeal when a person is on vacation in my opinion.

As for Universal charging for passes, we usually stay offsite and have yet to buy them. With proper planning, it's still possible to see what we want without them. Will that be possible when (if) Disney starts to charge? MK gets so crowded, can it be toured in a reasonable way without fastpasses?
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It's the talk of all the "possibilities" for WDW to force user pay for a myriad of other things ... prime parade watching spots, prime firework spots, etc that I have an issue with. Not only is it blatant nickel and diming and squeezing your customers for everything they are worth,
Isn't this exactly what is dragging the airlines out of the red?
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The first thing I think of is how complicated it all appears and I'm a seasoned visitor.
Bingo. This is ultimately the biggest hurdle they face. I like planning my trips. I like researching Disney. I have a pretty good idea of what to expect of the parks when I walk through the gates. But even I look at this and think maybe it's just not worth all that energy and time.

Many have raised this point, but it bears repeating. If people couldn't be bothered to figure out the lovely simple fastpass program in place currently, how the HECK are they going to figure out this new monstrosity. (Do I see a possible movie tie-in coming this summer????? )
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My paranoia is creeping in again and I'm beginning to wonder if this thread is being monitored and we are the most underpaid, unwilling and unwitting focus group Disney has ever had.
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Actually it does still benefit the planner. Because the planner will fuss and fume about it, but will indeed keep checking back until they get what they want.

Most newbies aren't going to go to that trouble. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Many of us planners are apparently thirsty enough to not only seek out the water, but drink quite heavily once we get there!

But there IS a point at which even I will decide it just isn't worth the effort. Bringing it down to the individual ride level could prove to be that point.

So true.
See this is why I think it's a risky idea.

What is the point of this system if it ends up benefitting the planners (which current FP does now, without limits) and just being a gimmicky app for newbies to be amused by (but rarely use to it's potential), is it really worth it? Will it have the kick that Disney needs?

I just can't imagine myself at Disney sitting down at the table in a year to review the financials and liking what I see.

"This $1BN... must have been a pretty big park expansion you did! Ought to get you well in front again, eh? Guests love a good old expansion."
"Actually... no. We switched to RFID and made rides prebookable... and you can get the parrot in the Tiki Room to say your name too! And we get data on guests purchases!"
"Didn't you also get data with the old KTTW card? And, does this solve the problems with the old fastpass system we were having?"
"Kind of... we have had to splurge on some itsy bitsy IT fixes. And... well... it still has some issues. Turns out fastpasses still sell out whenever they come online at busy times, and guests still complain."
"Ah. So... did a lot of people take it up? Did you at least make more money from guests?"
"Well..."

And then come the charges and price rises.

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As for Universal charging for passes, we usually stay offsite and have yet to buy them. With proper planning, it's still possible to see what we want without them. Will that be possible when (if) Disney starts to charge? MK gets so crowded, can it be toured in a reasonable way without fastpasses?
This. You don't need FOTL passes to ride everything within reason at US in a couple of days.

Disney is bigger and more popular as they would like to boast, but unfortunately this means more people in queues, and you can't give FOTL pass to everyone staying onsite without creating huuuuge FOTL-equivalent lines at Disney. That's not even counting offering it to offsite guests.

Trying to give an prebookable Diet version of the FOTL pass at Disney (which is what I see this as) might not actually take off, will hurt non users worse than FOTL does and certainly won't please the users as much.

Disney should not be competing on this ground. They won't win. If they aren't trying to compete with Universal with this, what the heck are they going to do to compete with them? They've blown staggering amounts of resources on this, purchasing lisence rights and revamping areas. How much money can they reasonably afford to throw at projects any time soon without worrying the money men?

This seems like either a knee-jerk reaction of a policy or a hasty acceleration of an already existing long term plan, and neither of those are good.
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